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UCF claims a National Championship. Why are they doing it?
UCF's President and AD are claiming a National Championship for the school. Not THE National Championship, but A National Championship.

What are they up to? While only speculative, I found this interesting, with implications for all G5s, including NIU.

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I support this 100%, and think this is exactly the type of thing that will continue moving forward the idea of a full December Madness CFB playoff that includes the G5 conferences.
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(01-05-2018 11:33 AM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  I support this 100%, and think this is exactly the type of thing that will continue moving forward the idea of a full December Madness CFB playoff that includes the G5 conferences.

I don't want a separate G5 playoff, but if threatening one opens us up to a 16 team playoff with each G5 with one horse in the race, amen.
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I support it. FBS is the only level of football that doesn't have a real playoff.
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(01-05-2018 11:47 AM)NIUfilmmaker Wrote:  
(01-05-2018 11:33 AM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  I support this 100%, and think this is exactly the type of thing that will continue moving forward the idea of a full December Madness CFB playoff that includes the G5 conferences.

I don't want a separate G5 playoff, but if threatening one opens us up to a 16 team playoff with each G5 with one horse in the race, amen.

I’ve always favored a 16-team playoff (read “Death to the BCS”). Realistically, the best we can hope for now is an 8-team playoff, with a guaranteed G5 berth. If that happened, it would also probably force the P5 into more equitable revenue-sharing.

Much better than the idea of a G5 playoff or a drop to FCS.
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(01-05-2018 12:26 PM)huskiebob Wrote:  
(01-05-2018 11:47 AM)NIUfilmmaker Wrote:  
(01-05-2018 11:33 AM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  I support this 100%, and think this is exactly the type of thing that will continue moving forward the idea of a full December Madness CFB playoff that includes the G5 conferences.

I don't want a separate G5 playoff, but if threatening one opens us up to a 16 team playoff with each G5 with one horse in the race, amen.

I’ve always favored a 16-team playoff (read “Death to the BCS”). Realistically, the best we can hope for now is an 8-team playoff, with a guaranteed G5 berth. If that happened, it would also probably force the P5 into more equitable revenue-sharing.

Much better than the idea of a G5 playoff or a drop to FCS.

Hopefully at 16 the G5 participant won't be ranked the 16th seed. Otherwise you're going to draw the #1 seed and be one and done every year. Probably have to be 12 or higher to have a realistic chance to get passed the first round. If its only 8 teams you can be sure the G5 will be #8 and get the #1.
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(01-05-2018 12:48 PM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  
(01-05-2018 12:26 PM)huskiebob Wrote:  
(01-05-2018 11:47 AM)NIUfilmmaker Wrote:  
(01-05-2018 11:33 AM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  I support this 100%, and think this is exactly the type of thing that will continue moving forward the idea of a full December Madness CFB playoff that includes the G5 conferences.

I don't want a separate G5 playoff, but if threatening one opens us up to a 16 team playoff with each G5 with one horse in the race, amen.

I’ve always favored a 16-team playoff (read “Death to the BCS”). Realistically, the best we can hope for now is an 8-team playoff, with a guaranteed G5 berth. If that happened, it would also probably force the P5 into more equitable revenue-sharing.

Much better than the idea of a G5 playoff or a drop to FCS.

Hopefully at 16 the G5 participant won't be ranked the 16th seed. Otherwise you're going to draw the #1 seed and be one and done every year. Probably have to be 12 or higher to have a realistic chance to get passed the first round. If its only 8 teams you can be sure the G5 will be #8 and get the #1.

No doubt. But, there’s the chance to pull the upset. Which is more than the G5s have now.
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RE: UCF claims a National Championship. Why are they doing it?
Here's a blurb from Steve Greenberg's column in today's Sun-Times:


It’s Your Turn. This time, we’ll start with a taste of the reaction that came my way after I dared to suggest that UCF, the pride of the American Athletic Conference, embarrassed itself by proclaiming its 13-0 football team the national champion:

UCF Hype responded: No Steve. What is silly is UCF not even having a chance. If Bama or Georgia wants to be National Champions, then need to go through undefeated UCF to get there. Otherwise, they just get an asterix (sic). Nobody is better than UNDEFEATED.

Here’s who’s better than undefeated: Alabama and Georgia. And probably a half-dozen other teams. The Knights, who beat Auburn in a game that was meaningless to the Tigers, needed two overtimes at home in the AAC title game to eke past Memphis and into the Peach Bowl. In a playoff game, the Tide or the Dogs would’ve been favored by at least two touchdowns, and even Earl in Orlando knows in his heart how that would’ve played out. UCF anointing itself the champ is so off the rails, it’s like a child star going straight from an Emmys win to rehab.

So when a G5 beats a big P5 team, I guess that now means it's because the game was meaningless to the P5.
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Interesting concept on a 16-team playoff with auto bids to all G5 conferences.

https://sports.yahoo.com/heres-radical-n...18359.html
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(01-05-2018 01:35 PM)Dog Fan Wrote:  Here's a blurb from Steve Greenberg's column in today's Sun-Times:


It’s Your Turn. This time, we’ll start with a taste of the reaction that came my way after I dared to suggest that UCF, the pride of the American Athletic Conference, embarrassed itself by proclaiming its 13-0 football team the national champion:

UCF Hype responded: No Steve. What is silly is UCF not even having a chance. If Bama or Georgia wants to be National Champions, then need to go through undefeated UCF to get there. Otherwise, they just get an asterix (sic). Nobody is better than UNDEFEATED.

Here’s who’s better than undefeated: Alabama and Georgia. And probably a half-dozen other teams. The Knights, who beat Auburn in a game that was meaningless to the Tigers, needed two overtimes at home in the AAC title game to eke past Memphis and into the Peach Bowl. In a playoff game, the Tide or the Dogs would’ve been favored by at least two touchdowns, and even Earl in Orlando knows in his heart how that would’ve played out. UCF anointing itself the champ is so off the rails, it’s like a child star going straight from an Emmys win to rehab.

So when a G5 beats a big P5 team, I guess that now means it's because the game was meaningless to the P5.

I guess for them it's a valid excuse which can be used anytime they lose. Also, what does that say to the bowl organizers that their game means nothing?

That's the Sun Times for ya. Didn't even know they even existed anymore. Somebody should put that paper out of it's misery.
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I know you can't just keep adding games, but if they are reluctant to move it to 8 teams with the rule that any undefeated G5 team gets in, then there needs to be a play-in type game like March Madness for any team that goes undefeated. It won't happen often, but take the undefeated team and play the #4 seed for that last spot. If by craziness you have 2 undefeated G5's, then the #3 seed is a play in game as well. The #5 or #6 seed can't complain because they had their chance during the regular season to capture the 4 or 3 spot and lost. UCF did everything they could and only off the field politics kept them out.
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North Coast Bias put this 12 team playoff scenario idea out there 5 years ago. He details out very well in the link below. I’d LOVE to see this happen

https://www.redandblackattack.com/2012/1...am-version
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I love it, good for them. It's sports, if you win all of your games, you should be a champion. What's that? Strength of schedule? Oh...well ask UCF if they'd like to play some bigger programs and have them 'care' about the game, I'm sure they'd oblige.

And this is the perfect year, UCF beat the team that had beaten the playoff teams. A playoff team, Clemson, lost to a BAD Syracuse team, etc, etc. Anyone, especially in the media, getting b*tt hurt about this needs to wipe the tears from their eyes and take it as what it is- a clear view into what's wrong with the system, keep improving it. Almost every other sport and level has been able to figure it out, stop acting like CFB can't figure it out.
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(01-05-2018 01:35 PM)Dog Fan Wrote:  Here's a blurb from Steve Greenberg's column in today's Sun-Times:


It’s Your Turn. This time, we’ll start with a taste of the reaction that came my way after I dared to suggest that UCF, the pride of the American Athletic Conference, embarrassed itself by proclaiming its 13-0 football team the national champion:

UCF Hype responded: No Steve. What is silly is UCF not even having a chance. If Bama or Georgia wants to be National Champions, then need to go through undefeated UCF to get there. Otherwise, they just get an asterix (sic). Nobody is better than UNDEFEATED.

Here’s who’s better than undefeated: Alabama and Georgia. And probably a half-dozen other teams. The Knights, who beat Auburn in a game that was meaningless to the Tigers, needed two overtimes at home in the AAC title game to eke past Memphis and into the Peach Bowl. In a playoff game, the Tide or the Dogs would’ve been favored by at least two touchdowns, and even Earl in Orlando knows in his heart how that would’ve played out. UCF anointing itself the champ is so off the rails, it’s like a child star going straight from an Emmys win to rehab.

So when a G5 beats a big P5 team, I guess that now means it's because the game was meaningless to the P5.

Greenberg embarrassed himself with that reply. Thoroughly.

Gus Malzahn and his players said repeatedly how important the game was to them and how badly they wanted a win at Mercedes-Benz Stadium. Their last game, a loss to Georgia in the SEC championship, was at M-B Stadium. And their opener next season is against Washington, again at M-B Stadium.

If you watched the game, you know the UCF win was no fluke. In the 2nd half, UCF started to dominate the line of scrimmage. Great QB play from Milton, but the game was won up-front. So, when I read something like the Greenberg comments, I call B.S.
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(01-05-2018 03:46 PM)huskiebob Wrote:  
(01-05-2018 01:35 PM)Dog Fan Wrote:  Here's a blurb from Steve Greenberg's column in today's Sun-Times:


It’s Your Turn. This time, we’ll start with a taste of the reaction that came my way after I dared to suggest that UCF, the pride of the American Athletic Conference, embarrassed itself by proclaiming its 13-0 football team the national champion:

UCF Hype responded: No Steve. What is silly is UCF not even having a chance. If Bama or Georgia wants to be National Champions, then need to go through undefeated UCF to get there. Otherwise, they just get an asterix (sic). Nobody is better than UNDEFEATED.

Here’s who’s better than undefeated: Alabama and Georgia. And probably a half-dozen other teams. The Knights, who beat Auburn in a game that was meaningless to the Tigers, needed two overtimes at home in the AAC title game to eke past Memphis and into the Peach Bowl. In a playoff game, the Tide or the Dogs would’ve been favored by at least two touchdowns, and even Earl in Orlando knows in his heart how that would’ve played out. UCF anointing itself the champ is so off the rails, it’s like a child star going straight from an Emmys win to rehab.

So when a G5 beats a big P5 team, I guess that now means it's because the game was meaningless to the P5.

Greenberg embarrassed himself with that reply. Thoroughly.

Gus Malzahn and his players said repeatedly how important the game was to them and how badly they wanted a win at Mercedes-Benz Stadium. Their last game, a loss to Georgia in the SEC championship, was at M-B Stadium. And their opener next season is against Washington, again at M-B Stadium.

If you watched the game, you know the UCF win was no fluke. In the 2nd half, UCF started to dominate the line of scrimmage. Great QB play from Milton, but the game was won up-front. So, when I read something like the Greenberg comments, I call B.S.

I honestly did not know that the Sun Times had any actual employees anymore!? I expect that paper will be folding up shop in the next few years anyhow.
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The SEC lapdog, otherwise known as Paul Finebaum, gets cranky about UCF claiming a national championship. Keep talking, Paul. I'm sure UCF appreciates it!
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Schools claiming national championships is not a new thing. Here is a pretty good article on past schools that have done the very same thing, including Alabama and Minnesota (the Minnesota one is particularly interesting because they counted 2 wins against high school teams)

http://abcnews.go.com/Sports/ucf-school-...d=52129974
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(01-05-2018 05:15 PM)huskiebob Wrote:  The SEC lapdog, otherwise known as Paul Finebaum, gets cranky about UCF claiming a national championship. Keep talking, Paul. I'm sure UCF appreciates it!

Finebaum is a dope. He and Greenberg both try to advance the rhetoric that Auburn didn't really want to be at that game because it doesn't fit their narrative. Lazy reporting.
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(01-05-2018 09:45 PM)VegasHuskie Wrote:  
(01-05-2018 05:15 PM)huskiebob Wrote:  The SEC lapdog, otherwise known as Paul Finebaum, gets cranky about UCF claiming a national championship. Keep talking, Paul. I'm sure UCF appreciates it!

Finebaum is a dope. He and Greenberg both try to advance the rhetoric that Auburn didn't really want to be at that game because it doesn't fit their narrative. Lazy reporting.

I wouldn't call it lazy reporting. I'd call it propaganda.
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I’m in favor of an 8-team playoff with a G5 representation.
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