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(01-08-2018 02:16 PM)shere khan Wrote:  Fun thread. Exactly what was feared by ESPN. An all SEC natty.

The playoff has always been a farce. It's just been a farce for the right folks up until this year.

Lulz

I always pull for the most common-sense-insulting scenario every year. I'm pretty much 1.000.
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(01-08-2018 01:05 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  Honestly, this is about the big lie that FBS is one league instead of two. And the lie worked for both sides for many years.

The lie let G5 get money and recruiting and exposure they'd never get at the FCS (even though FCS holds the pure and holy playoff they claim to want)

The lie let P5 claim wins over FAU, Eastern Michigan and UNLV as worthy of counting toward bowl eligibility and the extra money and exposure they brought (and keeping coaches job safe another year)

But the truth is that FBS is 1A and 1B and always has been.

But now with the playoff, The G5 just really, really want the lie to become true while the P5 should just recognize the truth and make the division official. Bowl eligibility?? Reduce or just Get rid of win requirements for bowls because frankly who even cares about them anymore?

Not everyone in the Other 65 is FCS caliber. Some just happened to be without a chair when the music stopped in this game of musical chairs. Some are just too far west and/or too special to deal with (BYU). Some have been playing just as long as others in FBS.

Plus, it's amazing what a little added status will do to your bank account and world view. What has Texas Tech done in 60 years on the football field and court? Women's doesn't count here. Oregon State and especially Washington State would be in trouble if they weren't affiliated with the Pac, WSU would probably be big rivals with Eastern Washington. To speak nothing of Northwestern, Duke and Wake Forest.

It's a country club. A few are there based on merit but it's about seniority and power, nothing more. Welcome to the real world.
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(01-08-2018 01:39 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  The cartel wants to have their cake and eat it too.

They bought the cake 04-rock
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(01-08-2018 09:09 AM)EvilVodka Wrote:  
(01-08-2018 09:04 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(01-08-2018 08:58 AM)EvilVodka Wrote:  
(01-07-2018 11:34 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  
(01-07-2018 06:52 PM)Hilltop75 Wrote:  yeah you just want to make it the Alabama Invitational every year.
Its funny I never hear the NFL FCS, Div 2, Div 3, or NAIA Football teams ever complain about inviting all the conference champs and some at large
teams to their playoffs as being unfair.

None of the excuses that Bill Handcock or anyone else make any sense.

That's idiotic.

If we had done it my way we would be watching Clemson and OU play tomorrow.

My way? That was to just keep the BCS and let it pick the two best teams in the country.

But, nope, people wanted a playoff and now they are butthurt that the two best teams played their way into it.

No, you are twisting it

No one has a problem with Alabama or Georgia...they have a problem that there is still a legitimate contender on the sideline with UCF, especially with such an impressive win

The winner tonight wins a National Title, but if UCF wants to claim a NC, no one can do anything about it lol. Only in college football....

If USF or Boise wants to claim a national title nobody can stop them either. Would mean just as much as UCF doing so too - nothing.

Nothing to you maybe

I'm glad UCF won the National Championship this year 04-cheers

I'm glad Troy won the National Championship this year. 04-cheers

See?
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(01-08-2018 02:59 PM)Zombiewoof Wrote:  
(01-08-2018 01:39 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  The cartel wants to have their cake and eat it too.

They bought the cake 04-rock
No one is arguing that they didn't create and arrange the absurd self-serving system. People are pointing out that is a self-serving absurd system.

And that they are unlikely to leave it all behind in a huff.

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You speak like USF is on the right side of the rope. Well, I guess Georgetown is, so there's that.
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(01-08-2018 01:05 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  Honestly, this is about the big lie that FBS is one league instead of two. And the lie worked for both sides for many years.

The lie let G5 get money and recruiting and exposure they'd never get at the FCS (even though FCS holds the pure and holy playoff they claim to want)

The lie let P5 claim wins over FAU, Eastern Michigan and UNLV as worthy of counting toward bowl eligibility and the extra money and exposure they brought (and keeping coaches job safe another year)

But the truth is that FBS is 1A and 1B and always has been.

But now with the playoff, The G5 just really, really want the lie to become true while the P5 should just recognize the truth and make the division official. Bowl eligibility?? Reduce or just Get rid of win requirements for bowls because frankly who even cares about them anymore?

Well you could say the same thing about baseball and basketball only thing is sometimes the not rich do stunningly well.

We have never seen an FBS season played where the champion of the Sun Belt has faced a Big XII team in the championship tournament nor have we seen a MWC playing to advance vs Pac-12 nor a MAC vs Big 10.

We have never seen a Conference USA team recruit when they could honestly tell a recruit we can win CUSA and be in the playoff.

We have never seen an AAC team recruit after winning a first round playoff game.

It is simply now a game of you aren't good enough to compete and we know you aren't good enough to compete because you've never competed.
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Again, if collegiate conferences are inherently unequal and some non-champs are clearly superior to lower conference champs, why do all other college sports aside from FBS football have playoffs at all? Miami plays in the NCHC for hockey and if the postseason started today seven of our eight teams would be in the tourney (sixteen make it) with the only one on the outside tied for 21st, why should the Atlantic Hockey champ get a spot when their best team is 31st right now? Why should the SWAC basketball champ be a part of March Madness when the conference is awful and all the bubble teams left out would probably beat them by twenty?
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(01-08-2018 03:48 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  
(01-08-2018 01:05 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  Honestly, this is about the big lie that FBS is one league instead of two. And the lie worked for both sides for many years.

The lie let G5 get money and recruiting and exposure they'd never get at the FCS (even though FCS holds the pure and holy playoff they claim to want)

The lie let P5 claim wins over FAU, Eastern Michigan and UNLV as worthy of counting toward bowl eligibility and the extra money and exposure they brought (and keeping coaches job safe another year)

But the truth is that FBS is 1A and 1B and always has been.

But now with the playoff, The G5 just really, really want the lie to become true while the P5 should just recognize the truth and make the division official. Bowl eligibility?? Reduce or just Get rid of win requirements for bowls because frankly who even cares about them anymore?

Well you could say the same thing about baseball and basketball only thing is sometimes the not rich do stunningly well.

We have never seen an FBS season played where the champion of the Sun Belt has faced a Big XII team in the championship tournament nor have we seen a MWC playing to advance vs Pac-12 nor a MAC vs Big 10.

We have never seen a Conference USA team recruit when they could honestly tell a recruit we can win CUSA and be in the playoff.

We have never seen an AAC team recruit after winning a first round playoff game.

It is simply now a game of you aren't good enough to compete and we know you aren't good enough to compete because you've never competed.
These aren't hard concepts. CFB is the weirdo in the sports world on this. But a lot of people spend a lot of effort erecting almost religious rationalizations and justifications for an absurd system.

Start applying these sort of weird rules and biases on other sports leagues and people would think it was crazy and unwatchable.



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(01-08-2018 09:55 PM)Zombiewoof Wrote:  
(01-08-2018 01:39 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  The cartel wants to have their cake and eat it too.

They bought the cake 04-rock
Already thorougly responded to this earlier. Its not that clever.

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(01-05-2018 09:46 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  It would be equally as unfair to put a 12-0 team that had the easiest schedule in college football in the mix.

I'm not alluding to UCF in that statement but speaking generally.

There isn't a "fair" way to do it that everybody in college football would call fair.

You don't see too many people crying about the NCAA basketball tournament. And in that scenario, the weak get weeded out in the early rounds.

Personally, I think the best way to do it would be the Conference Champs + wild cards to fill out a 16 team playoff bracket would be the best way to do it. And seeing as you already have a bloated bowl structure in place you already have the sites to do it and you also already have NIT variant set up at the same time.
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An AAC or MW team could finish top four if they run the table twice with a few high end road wins each season. The first undefeated season establishes credibility for the second. Its a minute possibility, but I could see how a Boise State could pull it off.
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(01-08-2018 10:16 PM)PirateTreasureNC Wrote:  
(01-05-2018 09:46 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  It would be equally as unfair to put a 12-0 team that had the easiest schedule in college football in the mix.

I'm not alluding to UCF in that statement but speaking generally.

There isn't a "fair" way to do it that everybody in college football would call fair.

You don't see too many people crying about the NCAA basketball tournament. And in that scenario, the weak get weeded out in the early rounds.

Personally, I think the best way to do it would be the Conference Champs + wild cards to fill out a 16 team playoff bracket would be the best way to do it. And seeing as you already have a bloated bowl structure in place you already have the sites to do it and you also already have NIT variant set up at the same time.

FCS has a proven format to follow, except return to its 16 team field rather than the current 24 team field. 10 FBS conference champs and 6 at-large teams with seeding. It works and would be inclusive of all FBS conferences creating a true national champion.

And, how did the NCAA lose control over FBS football? It is the only sport, called NCAA football, that does not have an NCAA champion.
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(01-09-2018 02:29 PM)HoustonCajun Wrote:  
(01-08-2018 10:16 PM)PirateTreasureNC Wrote:  
(01-05-2018 09:46 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  It would be equally as unfair to put a 12-0 team that had the easiest schedule in college football in the mix.

I'm not alluding to UCF in that statement but speaking generally.

There isn't a "fair" way to do it that everybody in college football would call fair.

You don't see too many people crying about the NCAA basketball tournament. And in that scenario, the weak get weeded out in the early rounds.

Personally, I think the best way to do it would be the Conference Champs + wild cards to fill out a 16 team playoff bracket would be the best way to do it. And seeing as you already have a bloated bowl structure in place you already have the sites to do it and you also already have NIT variant set up at the same time.

FCS has a proven format to follow, except return to its 16 team field rather than the current 24 team field. 10 FBS conference champs and 6 at-large teams with seeding. It works and would be inclusive of all FBS conferences creating a true national champion.

And, how did the NCAA lose control over FBS football? It is the only sport, called NCAA football, that does not have an NCAA champion.

There is a level of parity in FCS that doesn't exist in FBS.

The P5 and G5 have a greater degree of separation than the G5 does from FCS.

It would be best, if fairness is really our watchword, to simply separate them.
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(01-09-2018 02:48 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  
(01-09-2018 02:29 PM)HoustonCajun Wrote:  
(01-08-2018 10:16 PM)PirateTreasureNC Wrote:  
(01-05-2018 09:46 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  It would be equally as unfair to put a 12-0 team that had the easiest schedule in college football in the mix.

I'm not alluding to UCF in that statement but speaking generally.

There isn't a "fair" way to do it that everybody in college football would call fair.

You don't see too many people crying about the NCAA basketball tournament. And in that scenario, the weak get weeded out in the early rounds.

Personally, I think the best way to do it would be the Conference Champs + wild cards to fill out a 16 team playoff bracket would be the best way to do it. And seeing as you already have a bloated bowl structure in place you already have the sites to do it and you also already have NIT variant set up at the same time.

FCS has a proven format to follow, except return to its 16 team field rather than the current 24 team field. 10 FBS conference champs and 6 at-large teams with seeding. It works and would be inclusive of all FBS conferences creating a true national champion.

And, how did the NCAA lose control over FBS football? It is the only sport, called NCAA football, that does not have an NCAA champion.

There is a level of parity in FCS that doesn't exist in FBS.

The P5 and G5 have a greater degree of separation than the G5 does from FCS.

It would be best, if fairness is really our watchword, to simply separate them.

Eight teams is the sweet spot. If actually playing in a playoff with one G5 is the breaking point--then so be it---go ahead and separate. Half of the current "elite" will become sub.500 punching bags, I wonder how attractive a separation would be to them.

By the way--Congrats to Bama on thier 2017 CFP win! That now means that 50% of the time in the CFP era, the last team picked into an expanded 4 team playoff has won the national championship. Kinda undermines the whole argument against expanding the playoff.
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(01-09-2018 02:48 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  
(01-09-2018 02:29 PM)HoustonCajun Wrote:  
(01-08-2018 10:16 PM)PirateTreasureNC Wrote:  
(01-05-2018 09:46 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  It would be equally as unfair to put a 12-0 team that had the easiest schedule in college football in the mix.

I'm not alluding to UCF in that statement but speaking generally.

There isn't a "fair" way to do it that everybody in college football would call fair.

You don't see too many people crying about the NCAA basketball tournament. And in that scenario, the weak get weeded out in the early rounds.

Personally, I think the best way to do it would be the Conference Champs + wild cards to fill out a 16 team playoff bracket would be the best way to do it. And seeing as you already have a bloated bowl structure in place you already have the sites to do it and you also already have NIT variant set up at the same time.

FCS has a proven format to follow, except return to its 16 team field rather than the current 24 team field. 10 FBS conference champs and 6 at-large teams with seeding. It works and would be inclusive of all FBS conferences creating a true national champion.

And, how did the NCAA lose control over FBS football? It is the only sport, called NCAA football, that does not have an NCAA champion.

There is a level of parity in FCS that doesn't exist in FBS.

The P5 and G5 have a greater degree of separation than the G5 does from FCS.

It would be best, if fairness is really our watchword, to simply separate them.

You're wrong. Grambling has been good as of late but there is a clear divide between the top level of FCS and the bottom. Many teams in the MVFC, SoCon and CAA are better than some of the worst teams in FBS. Some SWAC and MEAC schools belong in D-II or even NAIA. It's more of the same. Because the Patriot League actually wants to compete, the gap has shrunk but there's still a gap, not to mention some special gray areas because of the Pioneer and Ivy.
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