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(01-05-2018 10:40 AM)cmett003 Wrote:  Needs a full offseason in the weight room to put on 25 lbs.

Just don't screw up that golden stroke.
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(01-05-2018 07:00 PM)N2theBlue Wrote:  
(01-05-2018 10:40 AM)cmett003 Wrote:  Needs a full offseason in the weight room to put on 25 lbs.

Just don't screw up that golden stroke.

When Hueitt was named player of the game after Maryland Eastern Shore he said in the post game interview he had gained 17 pounds since arriving on campus. I am not sure what he started at but if that's true another 25 might be a stretch. He is definitely stronger than he was when he arrived on campus.
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Remember watching him run a fast break against Charlotte and thinking "oh my, this kids got the IT" like Bazemore, pure basketball athleticism. Gonna be great fun watching him develop.
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(01-05-2018 12:19 PM)757ODU Wrote:  
(01-05-2018 11:56 AM)mac Wrote:  Yep Ever. And that's the way at many, many,many schools too. Love the kid but he's behind several other guards in the pecking order. His time is coming. That was the first CUSA road game hes ever been on. Patience is needed.

I think what everyone is frustrated about, is the fact that him or Godwin should have redshirted if they weren't going to get meaningful minutes.
There is an advantage in not redshirting in that there is more incentive to work harder to crack the lineup and be a factor down the stretch. I would think human nature might tempt someone to "coast" through the redshirt year. I do get your argument though.

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(01-05-2018 07:58 PM)Old Dominion Wrote:  Remember watching him run a fast break against Charlotte and thinking "oh my, this kids got the IT" like Bazemore, pure basketball athleticism. Gonna be great fun watching him develop.
He makes things happen. He is an instant energy boost whether he is scoring or not. The fact that JJ does not value that quality is maybe my biggest issue with him.

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(01-05-2018 08:47 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  
(01-05-2018 07:58 PM)Old Dominion Wrote:  Remember watching him run a fast break against Charlotte and thinking "oh my, this kids got the IT" like Bazemore, pure basketball athleticism. Gonna be great fun watching him develop.
He makes things happen. He is an instant energy boost whether he is scoring or not. The fact that JJ does not value that quality is maybe my biggest issue with him.

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It also partly explains why he's a mediocre coach.
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(01-05-2018 10:07 AM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  Based only on the sparse p.t. that I've seen of him, MHJ reminds me a little bit of the Bugs Bunny character -- the "Tasmanian Devil". If you only are paying partial attention, out of the corner of your eye, he often appears to be out of position and out of control. But if you watch him closely, he is mostly always where he needs to be -- or at least he'll get in position in time to make a play. MHJ's engine simply runs at a higher r.p.m. than that of other players.

I don't know, because I don't attend practices and don't have any inside sources, but I don't buy the narrative that Coach Jones is so much of a control freak that he insists on squelching talent. Like Randy Haynes last year, MHJ will see the floor when his obvious talents warrant it.

+1 spot on.
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(01-05-2018 08:47 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  
(01-05-2018 07:58 PM)Old Dominion Wrote:  Remember watching him run a fast break against Charlotte and thinking "oh my, this kids got the IT" like Bazemore, pure basketball athleticism. Gonna be great fun watching him develop.
He makes things happen. He is an instant energy boost whether he is scoring or not. The fact that JJ does not value that quality is maybe my biggest issue with him.

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What’s MH like in practice?
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(01-05-2018 04:14 PM)JJMonarch Wrote:  
(01-05-2018 02:58 PM)ODU804 Wrote:  
(01-05-2018 02:37 PM)cmett003 Wrote:  MHJ and MG should have got more playing time against Rice but the starters decided to struggle with an inferior team.

To me there is a big difference between getting playing time and getting quality playing time. It's all well and good for these guys to get mop up time at the end of blowouts but i don't know how much they develop when it's our end of the bench against the opposing teams end of the bench. I would love to see them get at least one rotation per half with the primary group to develop a feel for a real game flow.

I don't think there are enough minutes at this time for both to find time. In hind sight it would have been great to have one of them pick up some time this year and the other red shirt. Oh well, that ship has sailed.

One thing we really don't know about the redshirt idea is what the players themselves thought of it. In the end it's the players decision. As far as we know Jones could have asked them to redshirt and they said no. It's happened before so I don't think it's totally fair to say Jones should have redshirted without knowing what the conversation was between player and coach.

It is not a player’s decision on if they redshirt. 03-banghead
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(01-06-2018 01:18 AM)Justanodufan Wrote:  
(01-05-2018 08:47 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  
(01-05-2018 07:58 PM)Old Dominion Wrote:  Remember watching him run a fast break against Charlotte and thinking "oh my, this kids got the IT" like Bazemore, pure basketball athleticism. Gonna be great fun watching him develop.
He makes things happen. He is an instant energy boost whether he is scoring or not. The fact that JJ does not value that quality is maybe my biggest issue with him.

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What’s MH like in practice?
Don't care. Some players perform better in game situations. Reports are that TH was that type of player. If Wilder took the Jones approach he would have sat until his junior year. Players who are electric sometimes are unable to really shine in the heavily scripted scenarios practice brings. Isn't it really about how you perform in games? He has done well enough in the ones Jones has been generous enough to let him play in to show that he absolutely would not hurt the team playing at least a couple short rotations.

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(01-06-2018 01:25 AM)Monarchblue Wrote:  
(01-06-2018 01:18 AM)Justanodufan Wrote:  
(01-05-2018 08:47 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  
(01-05-2018 07:58 PM)Old Dominion Wrote:  Remember watching him run a fast break against Charlotte and thinking "oh my, this kids got the IT" like Bazemore, pure basketball athleticism. Gonna be great fun watching him develop.
He makes things happen. He is an instant energy boost whether he is scoring or not. The fact that JJ does not value that quality is maybe my biggest issue with him.

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What’s MH like in practice?
Don't care. Some players perform better in game situations. Reports are that TH was that type of player. If Wilder took the Jones approach he would have sat until his junior year. Players who are electric sometimes are unable to really shine in the heavily scripted scenarios practice brings. Isn't it really about how you perform in games? He has done well enough in the ones Jones has been generous enough to let him play in to show that he absolutely would not hurt the team playing at least a couple short rotations.

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So if he dogs it everyday, gives minimal effort, etc in practice it doesn’t matter because it’s practice? Your hatred for Jones is at a different level if you think a kid should be AI mode when it comes to practice.


Disclaimer: I do not know how the kid is in practice, just pointing out that we only see one side.
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(01-06-2018 01:25 AM)Monarchblue Wrote:  
(01-06-2018 01:18 AM)Justanodufan Wrote:  
(01-05-2018 08:47 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  
(01-05-2018 07:58 PM)Old Dominion Wrote:  Remember watching him run a fast break against Charlotte and thinking "oh my, this kids got the IT" like Bazemore, pure basketball athleticism. Gonna be great fun watching him develop.
He makes things happen. He is an instant energy boost whether he is scoring or not. The fact that JJ does not value that quality is maybe my biggest issue with him.

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What’s MH like in practice?
Don't care. Some players perform better in game situations. Reports are that TH was that type of player. If Wilder took the Jones approach he would have sat until his junior year. Players who are electric sometimes are unable to really shine in the heavily scripted scenarios practice brings. Isn't it really about how you perform in games? He has done well enough in the ones Jones has been generous enough to let him play in to show that he absolutely would not hurt the team playing at least a couple short rotations.

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This is false. Heinicke killed it from day 1. Players in the first practive were like “who is this dude?”
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It is the backup quarterback syndrome. Coaches dont sit good players just because they dont want to play them. He obviously is needing to get better to get in the rotation.
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Regarding redshirting:
The landscape has changed drastically in the last couple of years. The graduate transfer option is being pursued by more and more players each year. And it's just not financially viable for mid-majors to take the risk of giving out a free year of scholarship money for certain skill sets. A highly skilled 3-point shooter could be easily swayed to leave as a RS-Sr and land at a high-major school where they are losing guys to the NBA before graduating.

For a guy like Aaron Carver, it makes sense. His skill set and role, combined with his father being an alum means he is not likely to go anywhere as a RS-Sr.
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(01-06-2018 05:02 AM)Justanodufan Wrote:  
(01-06-2018 01:25 AM)Monarchblue Wrote:  
(01-06-2018 01:18 AM)Justanodufan Wrote:  
(01-05-2018 08:47 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  
(01-05-2018 07:58 PM)Old Dominion Wrote:  Remember watching him run a fast break against Charlotte and thinking "oh my, this kids got the IT" like Bazemore, pure basketball athleticism. Gonna be great fun watching him develop.
He makes things happen. He is an instant energy boost whether he is scoring or not. The fact that JJ does not value that quality is maybe my biggest issue with him.

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What’s MH like in practice?
Don't care. Some players perform better in game situations. Reports are that TH was that type of player. If Wilder took the Jones approach he would have sat until his junior year. Players who are electric sometimes are unable to really shine in the heavily scripted scenarios practice brings. Isn't it really about how you perform in games? He has done well enough in the ones Jones has been generous enough to let him play in to show that he absolutely would not hurt the team playing at least a couple short rotations.

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So if he dogs it everyday, gives minimal effort, etc in practice it doesn’t matter because it’s practice? Your hatred for Jones is at a different level if you think a kid should be AI mode when it comes to practice.


Disclaimer: I do not know how the kid is in practice, just pointing out that we only see one side.
There is no indication that "dogging it everyday" is the issue. There is no indication that there is an attitude problem. If there were issues like those, I doubt very seriously he would be first off the bench in garbage time everytime. Why are you willing to question a kids character just to defend your buddy, JJ?

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(01-06-2018 12:42 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  Why are you willing to question a kids character just to defend your buddy, JJ?

I think this an unfair assessment of the poster's intentions. He wasn't questioning the character of the player, he was simply saying none of us have any idea why Hueitt isn't earning more playing time. None of us have all of the facts. The coaches see these kids every single day at practice. They are making decisions regarding playing time accordingly.

I understand that some fans think MHJ should get more PT. Frankly, I'm probably in that camp. But, to believe Jones is just holding him back arbitrarily is just silly.
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Agree. He wasn't attacking the player so much as making a silly, over exaggerated example to make a point.
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(01-06-2018 12:50 PM)ODUCoach Wrote:  
(01-06-2018 12:42 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  Why are you willing to question a kids character just to defend your buddy, JJ?

I think this an unfair assessment of the poster's intentions. He wasn't questioning the character of the player, he was simply saying none of us have any idea why Hueitt isn't earning more playing time. None of us have all of the facts. The coaches see these kids every single day at practice. They are making decisions regarding playing time accordingly.

I understand that some fans think MHJ should get more PT. Frankly, I'm probably in that camp. But, to believe Jones is just holding him back arbitrarily is just silly.
Well, I think my take is much more reasonable since JJ has a history of making players sit early in their careers for reasons nobody else can see. Also, Dave T has basically said MHJ should play more, and he is at practice all the time. I'm tired of the "well, you don't know everything, maybe the player is a piece of ****" argument every time JJ is called out for his crazy decisions on playing time for young/new players.

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(01-05-2018 07:58 PM)Old Dominion Wrote:  Remember watching him run a fast break against Charlotte and thinking "oh my, this kids got the IT" like Bazemore, pure basketball athleticism. Gonna be great fun watching him develop.

Good point. There aren't many kids that come through and look like they could be electric. We could all be wrong but you can feel the buzz in the crowd when he enters the game.
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(01-06-2018 12:59 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  I'm tired of the "well, you don't know everything, maybe the player is a piece of ****" argument every time JJ is called out for his crazy decisions on playing time for young/new players.

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Someone makes a sensible (some would say obvious) point, and this is your retort?

I thought the notion of shutting down opinions with which you disagree was a problem for you guys on the anti-Jones crusade.
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