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Keep em out of NC waters.
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(01-13-2018 09:17 PM)dawgitall Wrote:  Keep em out of NC waters.

Why?

It’s fine for the gulf coast but not for you?
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(01-10-2018 06:56 AM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  So maybe one of you can explain Ryan Zinke's comments yesterday when he took Florida off the offshore drilling list.

"Florida is obviously unique," he said after a brief meeting with Gov. Rick Scott (R-Fla.). He explained in a statement that Florida's "coasts are heavily reliant on tourism as an economic driver."

As compared to California which has no tourism? Already, numerous other Governors are asking for their waivers and pointing out how important their coastlines are. Maybe the problem is Trump doesn't own land in their states?

http://theweek.com/speedreads/747786/rya...-questions

Have you ever gotten into the water in California?

They don't get tourism from their beaches. Florida is all about the beaches. And Florida is pretty unanimously opposed. Plus the Keys have irreplaceable coral. They already have limits on commercial shipping in the corridor.
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(01-10-2018 09:43 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  Rep. Mark Sanford (R-S.C.), a former governor who represents his state’s Atlantic coastline, suggested during an interview with CNN that the president held one standard for states where he vacationed and one for the rest of the country.

“It smacks of what we never want to see in politics which is: Is it self-serving?” Sanford said. “I mean, you can’t say, ‘I don’t want to see an oil rig from Mar-a-Lago’ as you look out from the waters of Palm Beach, but it’s okay to look at an oil rig out from Hilton Head or Charleston, South Carolina.”

“We cannot afford to take a chance with the beauty, the majesty and the economic value and vitality of our wonderful coastline,” South Carolina Gov. Henry McMaster ®, who backed President Trump in his state’s competitive 2016 primary, said in a statement.

Obviously most of the furor over Zinke's decision has been from Democrats but there are other Republicans who are pissed off at the arbitrary decision by Zinke. If they exempt Florida but not other states that don't wish to be included (Maryland, North Carolina, etc.), this is going to be decided in the courts.

Mark Sanford is a partisan clown. No the courts have nothing to do with it.
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(01-13-2018 10:36 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(01-10-2018 06:56 AM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  So maybe one of you can explain Ryan Zinke's comments yesterday when he took Florida off the offshore drilling list.

"Florida is obviously unique," he said after a brief meeting with Gov. Rick Scott (R-Fla.). He explained in a statement that Florida's "coasts are heavily reliant on tourism as an economic driver."

As compared to California which has no tourism? Already, numerous other Governors are asking for their waivers and pointing out how important their coastlines are. Maybe the problem is Trump doesn't own land in their states?

http://theweek.com/speedreads/747786/rya...-questions

Have you ever gotten into the water in California?

They don't get tourism from their beaches. Florida is all about the beaches. And Florida is pretty unanimously opposed. Plus the Keys have irreplaceable coral. They already have limits on commercial shipping in the corridor.

Come on, you're nuts there. Santa Barbara, Malibu, Santa Monica, Venice, Huntington Beach, Newport Beach and San Diego are among the busiest beaches in the U.S.. Yes, Northern California beaches are much colder and people are more apt to drive along the coast than actually get into the water, but you have whale-watching excursions all along the coast, to say nothing of boat tours, eco-tourism, volleyball tournaments, concerts and outdoor festivals, and surfing events.

Apparently Oregon is working hard on getting its exemption. I think Zinke blew it and will have to cave in to any state wanting an exemption. When all is said and done, Texas, Louisiana, Alabama and Mississippi may be the only states with visible offshore drilling locations.

And yes, I lived there from 1977-1986 when I was 13-22 in Huntington Beach and Santa Monica. I had some high school classmates at Marina HS that went to the beach every single day during the summer (and many days during the school year too). This was before they were that concerned with skin cancer and I suspect they look much older now than their actual ages, but that's why LA is also the plastic surgery capital of the world.

ETA - here's a link which backs up my post. 9 of the top 25 busiest beaches in the U.S. according to this list are in California (compared to 8 in Florida). Surprisingly though, #1 on this list is in Delaware.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/the-most-p...o-honolulu
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Oh just screw it.

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(01-13-2018 10:37 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(01-10-2018 09:43 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  Rep. Mark Sanford (R-S.C.), a former governor who represents his state’s Atlantic coastline, suggested during an interview with CNN that the president held one standard for states where he vacationed and one for the rest of the country.

“It smacks of what we never want to see in politics which is: Is it self-serving?” Sanford said. “I mean, you can’t say, ‘I don’t want to see an oil rig from Mar-a-Lago’ as you look out from the waters of Palm Beach, but it’s okay to look at an oil rig out from Hilton Head or Charleston, South Carolina.”

“We cannot afford to take a chance with the beauty, the majesty and the economic value and vitality of our wonderful coastline,” South Carolina Gov. Henry McMaster ®, who backed President Trump in his state’s competitive 2016 primary, said in a statement.

Obviously most of the furor over Zinke's decision has been from Democrats but there are other Republicans who are pissed off at the arbitrary decision by Zinke. If they exempt Florida but not other states that don't wish to be included (Maryland, North Carolina, etc.), this is going to be decided in the courts.

Mark Sanford is a partisan clown. No the courts have nothing to do with it.

What? So Mark "Hiking the Appalachian Trail" Sanford is being partisan by being a Republican opposed to a Republican initiative? 01-lauramac2
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(01-13-2018 09:42 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  
(01-13-2018 09:17 PM)dawgitall Wrote:  Keep em out of NC waters.

Why?

It’s fine for the gulf coast but not for you?

The Gulf Coast States made their decision long ago. I live in NC so I will speak to our state. Keep em out.
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(01-14-2018 11:44 AM)dawgitall Wrote:  
(01-13-2018 09:42 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  
(01-13-2018 09:17 PM)dawgitall Wrote:  Keep em out of NC waters.

Why?

It’s fine for the gulf coast but not for you?

The Gulf Coast States made their decision long ago. I live in NC so I will speak to our state. Keep em out.

Putting the first oil fields in North Carolina is going to be very sweet.
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(01-14-2018 02:01 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  
(01-14-2018 11:44 AM)dawgitall Wrote:  
(01-13-2018 09:42 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  
(01-13-2018 09:17 PM)dawgitall Wrote:  Keep em out of NC waters.

Why?

It’s fine for the gulf coast but not for you?

The Gulf Coast States made their decision long ago. I live in NC so I will speak to our state. Keep em out.

Putting the first oil fields in North Carolina is going to be very sweet.

That is an interesting comment. Hopefully that will never happen.
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(01-14-2018 08:06 AM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  
(01-13-2018 10:36 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(01-10-2018 06:56 AM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  So maybe one of you can explain Ryan Zinke's comments yesterday when he took Florida off the offshore drilling list.

"Florida is obviously unique," he said after a brief meeting with Gov. Rick Scott (R-Fla.). He explained in a statement that Florida's "coasts are heavily reliant on tourism as an economic driver."

As compared to California which has no tourism? Already, numerous other Governors are asking for their waivers and pointing out how important their coastlines are. Maybe the problem is Trump doesn't own land in their states?

http://theweek.com/speedreads/747786/rya...-questions

Have you ever gotten into the water in California?

They don't get tourism from their beaches. Florida is all about the beaches. And Florida is pretty unanimously opposed. Plus the Keys have irreplaceable coral. They already have limits on commercial shipping in the corridor.

Come on, you're nuts there. Santa Barbara, Malibu, Santa Monica, Venice, Huntington Beach, Newport Beach and San Diego are among the busiest beaches in the U.S.. Yes, Northern California beaches are much colder and people are more apt to drive along the coast than actually get into the water, but you have whale-watching excursions all along the coast, to say nothing of boat tours, eco-tourism, volleyball tournaments, concerts and outdoor festivals, and surfing events.

Apparently Oregon is working hard on getting its exemption. I think Zinke blew it and will have to cave in to any state wanting an exemption. When all is said and done, Texas, Louisiana, Alabama and Mississippi may be the only states with visible offshore drilling locations.

And yes, I lived there from 1977-1986 when I was 13-22 in Huntington Beach and Santa Monica. I had some high school classmates at Marina HS that went to the beach every single day during the summer (and many days during the school year too). This was before they were that concerned with skin cancer and I suspect they look much older now than their actual ages, but that's why LA is also the plastic surgery capital of the world.

ETA - here's a link which backs up my post. 9 of the top 25 busiest beaches in the U.S. according to this list are in California (compared to 8 in Florida). Surprisingly though, #1 on this list is in Delaware.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/the-most-p...o-honolulu

How many people over 17 actually get in the water? Southern California Pacific beaches are pretty cold too. And there's nothing oil could do to San Diego's beaches that Mexican sewage doesn't already do more of. Remember the Santa Barbara oil spill? Its not like California doesn't already have drilling and oil.

Just because people go by the beach when they are in California doesn't mean they go to California FOR the beach.
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(01-13-2018 09:17 PM)dawgitall Wrote:  Keep em out of NC waters.

Drill safely anywhere..including NC waters. There is no real legitimate argument against drilling done with the appropriate safeguards in place...None. Additionally...These rigs add new artificial reefs beneficial to marine species. Again...I stress that the safeguards must be in place and verified constantly.
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(01-14-2018 11:44 AM)dawgitall Wrote:  
(01-13-2018 09:42 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  
(01-13-2018 09:17 PM)dawgitall Wrote:  Keep em out of NC waters.

Why?

It’s fine for the gulf coast but not for you?

The Gulf Coast States made their decision long ago. I live in NC so I will speak to our state. Keep em out.

You speak for you...not the State. Im fine with the voters deciding the issue though.
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(01-14-2018 02:57 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  
(01-14-2018 11:44 AM)dawgitall Wrote:  
(01-13-2018 09:42 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  
(01-13-2018 09:17 PM)dawgitall Wrote:  Keep em out of NC waters.

Why?

It’s fine for the gulf coast but not for you?

The Gulf Coast States made their decision long ago. I live in NC so I will speak to our state. Keep em out.

You speak for you...not the State. Im fine with the voters deciding the issue though.

I didn't say I spoke for the state. I said I "speak to" our state, meaning I'll speak about NC not other states where I don't live.
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(01-14-2018 02:55 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  
(01-13-2018 09:17 PM)dawgitall Wrote:  Keep em out of NC waters.

Drill safely anywhere..including NC waters. There is no real legitimate argument against drilling done with the appropriate safeguards in place...None. Additionally...These rigs add new artificial reefs beneficial to marine species. Again...I stress that the safeguards must be in place and verified constantly.

That is where I see the problem. Deregulation, underfunded agencies, an anti-science attitude and generally turning a blind eye are major concerns I have. The Democrats in power in years past weren't always the most diligent watchdogs, the Republicans in power now are scary bad at it. The environment is too important to give short shift. I just have no confidence that they will do the job.
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(01-14-2018 03:17 PM)dawgitall Wrote:  
(01-14-2018 02:55 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  
(01-13-2018 09:17 PM)dawgitall Wrote:  Keep em out of NC waters.

Drill safely anywhere..including NC waters. There is no real legitimate argument against drilling done with the appropriate safeguards in place...None. Additionally...These rigs add new artificial reefs beneficial to marine species. Again...I stress that the safeguards must be in place and verified constantly.

That is where I see the problem. Deregulation, underfunded agencies, an anti-science attitude and generally turning a blind eye are major concerns I have. The Democrats in power in years past weren't always the most diligent watchdogs, the Republicans in power now are scary bad at it. The environment is too important to give short shift. I just have no confidence that they will do the job.

like all of your posts.....a shiteload of "I"....

let's start with "deregulation and underfunded".....excess regulation easily lends to excess funding the gruberment 'cookie jar' policy....

"anti-science" ??? wtf does that even mean in this context....what proof do you have that any spillage has had long term impact relative to and spillage and recovery....all I've seen is it becomes a cost of doing business when a mishap occurs.....

Fo Biz [sic] nailed it

I have to admit, you're on a dippo rhetorical roll....
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(01-14-2018 03:17 PM)dawgitall Wrote:  
(01-14-2018 02:55 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  
(01-13-2018 09:17 PM)dawgitall Wrote:  Keep em out of NC waters.

Drill safely anywhere..including NC waters. There is no real legitimate argument against drilling done with the appropriate safeguards in place...None. Additionally...These rigs add new artificial reefs beneficial to marine species. Again...I stress that the safeguards must be in place and verified constantly.

That is where I see the problem. Deregulation, underfunded agencies, an anti-science attitude and generally turning a blind eye are major concerns I have. The Democrats in power in years past weren't always the most diligent watchdogs, the Republicans in power now are scary bad at it. The environment is too important to give short shift. I just have no confidence that they will do the job.

Why is it that people think that without some government bureaucratic oversight that the oil industry wants to pollute the sea? It is the fcking silliest reasoning ever. They have a vested financial interest in doing just the opposite. No government agency or bureaucrat is going to stop a oil rig accident. Only those on that rig following their OWN set protocols are going to do that. Government regulation or deregulation is irrelevant. We are talking about a simply economic issue. The industry has billions of dollars at stake and stockholder to answer to... as the incentive to operate safely. I have no problem with oversight..but..the fact remains that this is a "human" issue..not a governmental issue.

Drill safely. That is all I ask. Im not ready to throw the baby out with the bathwater because of past spills and accidents. I want to hear what new technology and safeguards the industry has now in place before just saying...No drilling.
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(01-14-2018 03:17 PM)dawgitall Wrote:  
(01-14-2018 02:55 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  
(01-13-2018 09:17 PM)dawgitall Wrote:  Keep em out of NC waters.

Drill safely anywhere..including NC waters. There is no real legitimate argument against drilling done with the appropriate safeguards in place...None. Additionally...These rigs add new artificial reefs beneficial to marine species. Again...I stress that the safeguards must be in place and verified constantly.

That is where I see the problem. Deregulation, underfunded agencies, an anti-science attitude and generally turning a blind eye are major concerns I have. The Democrats in power in years past weren't always the most diligent watchdogs, the Republicans in power now are scary bad at it. The environment is too important to give short shift. I just have no confidence that they will do the job.

like all of your posts.....a shiteload of "I"....

let's start with "deregulation and underfunded".....excess regulation easily lends to excess funding the gruberment 'cookie jar' policy....

"anti-science" ??? wtf does that even mean in this context....what proof do you have that any spillage has had long term impact relative to and spillage and recovery....all I've seen is it becomes a cost of doing business when a mishap occurs.....

Fo Biz [sic] nailed it

I have to admit, you're on a dippo rhetorical roll....

Companies take their cleanup responsibilities very seriously. Doesn't mean some companies don't get sloppy while doing their day to day tasks, but that has nothing to do with "science."
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(01-14-2018 03:36 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(01-14-2018 03:33 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  
(01-14-2018 03:17 PM)dawgitall Wrote:  
(01-14-2018 02:55 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  
(01-13-2018 09:17 PM)dawgitall Wrote:  Keep em out of NC waters.

Drill safely anywhere..including NC waters. There is no real legitimate argument against drilling done with the appropriate safeguards in place...None. Additionally...These rigs add new artificial reefs beneficial to marine species. Again...I stress that the safeguards must be in place and verified constantly.

That is where I see the problem. Deregulation, underfunded agencies, an anti-science attitude and generally turning a blind eye are major concerns I have. The Democrats in power in years past weren't always the most diligent watchdogs, the Republicans in power now are scary bad at it. The environment is too important to give short shift. I just have no confidence that they will do the job.

like all of your posts.....a shiteload of "I"....

let's start with "deregulation and underfunded".....excess regulation easily lends to excess funding the gruberment 'cookie jar' policy....

"anti-science" ??? wtf does that even mean in this context....what proof do you have that any spillage has had long term impact relative to and spillage and recovery....all I've seen is it becomes a cost of doing business when a mishap occurs.....

Fo Biz [sic] nailed it

I have to admit, you're on a dippo rhetorical roll....

Companies take their cleanup responsibilities very seriously. Doesn't mean some companies don't get sloppy while doing their day to day tasks, but that has nothing to do with "science."

XACLY!

he's simply on another anti-DJT [biz] rant.....
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(01-14-2018 03:36 PM)bullet Wrote:  
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(01-14-2018 03:17 PM)dawgitall Wrote:  
(01-14-2018 02:55 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  
(01-13-2018 09:17 PM)dawgitall Wrote:  Keep em out of NC waters.

Drill safely anywhere..including NC waters. There is no real legitimate argument against drilling done with the appropriate safeguards in place...None. Additionally...These rigs add new artificial reefs beneficial to marine species. Again...I stress that the safeguards must be in place and verified constantly.

That is where I see the problem. Deregulation, underfunded agencies, an anti-science attitude and generally turning a blind eye are major concerns I have. The Democrats in power in years past weren't always the most diligent watchdogs, the Republicans in power now are scary bad at it. The environment is too important to give short shift. I just have no confidence that they will do the job.

like all of your posts.....a shiteload of "I"....

let's start with "deregulation and underfunded".....excess regulation easily lends to excess funding the gruberment 'cookie jar' policy....

"anti-science" ??? wtf does that even mean in this context....what proof do you have that any spillage has had long term impact relative to and spillage and recovery....all I've seen is it becomes a cost of doing business when a mishap occurs.....

Fo Biz [sic] nailed it

I have to admit, you're on a dippo rhetorical roll....

Companies take their cleanup responsibilities very seriously. Doesn't mean some companies don't get sloppy while doing their day to day tasks, but that has nothing to do with "science."

It is my understanding that the industry has learned a great deal after the last Gulf spill and has addressed the problems that caused it on its own. Again...The industry is incentivized to innovate and improve processes and safety monetarily.
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