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RE: Maisel: B1G took Rutgers after Georgia Tech (?!?!) turned them down
(01-03-2018 05:44 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  The story I was told at the time by a guy who is a close friend of John Swofford was B1G had UNC as target #1 and would gladly take Duke to get them and Florida State was target #2. None of the three were interested and B1G started working on UVA and GT in the hope of creating a sense of urgency if not panic that would put B1G in position to scoop up at least one if not both of UNC and Florida State.

It could be UNC remains the #1 target.

AAC expansion with Louisville, Pitt, Syracuse and Notre Dame has gone well though. Long term TV deal and football in the ACC has elevated. The ship on taking UNC has probably sailed.

UConn I think has taken Rutgers spot as the East Coast project school always available if needed.
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RE: Maisel: B1G took Rutgers after Georgia Tech (?!?!) turned them down
(01-03-2018 04:54 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  
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(01-03-2018 04:32 PM)justinslot Wrote:  This weird little paragraph is buried in Maisel's column about Atlanta being the capital of the college football universe:


http://www.espn.com/college-football/sto...me-atlanta

Nobody here thinks this is what happened, right? Any "Georgia Tech to the B1G" talk was weird and peripheral and, you know, after the Maryland/Rutgers acquisitions had happened. If I am remembering things right. Why would he pull this imaginary tidbit out of his hinder?

I thought it was common knowledge that Rutgers was always the B1G's target (all those cable boxes) and the issue was finding a partner for Rutgers. Am I mistaken?

Because Rutgers has wrestling. GT doesn’t. Wrestling is a B10 requirement.

Yeah, that was probably the dealbreaker.

It's hard to overstate the importance of wrestling to the BTN.

It may be important, but I'm sure that it was not the primary deciding factor between Rutgers and GT.

I really didn't think anyone would take my remark seriously.
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RE: Maisel: B1G took Rutgers after Georgia Tech (?!?!) turned them down
(01-03-2018 06:41 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  
(01-03-2018 06:30 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(01-03-2018 06:21 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  So, let's say this did happen, along with a Texoma 4 to Pac situation. The Big Ten picks up Nebraska, as well as UMD, UVA, UNC, and GT. The SEC takes NCSU and VT along with Missouri and A&M. The remnant Big 12 takes in most of the remaining ACC schools and Big East football schools to become the Big 16.

Big 16
East: Boston College, Connecticut, Rutgers, Syracuse
North: Cincinnati, Louisville, Pittsburgh, West Virginia
South: Clemson, Duke, Florida State, Miami-FL
West: Baylor, Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State

Big Ten
East: Michigan, Michigan State, Ohio State, Penn State
North: Illinois, Indiana, Northwestern, Purdue
South: Georgia Tech, Maryland, North Carolina, Virginia
West: Iowa, Minnesota, Nebraska, Wisconsin

Pac-16
East: Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Texas, Texas Tech
North: Oregon, Oregon State, Washington, Washington State
South: Arizona, Arizona State, Colorado, Utah
West: California, Stanford, UCLA, USC

SEC
East: Florida, Georgia, NC State, South Carolina
North: Kentucky, Tennessee, Vanderbilt, Virginia Tech
South: Alabama, Auburn, Mississippi State, Ole Miss
West: Arkansas, LSU, Missouri, Texas A&M

Wake Forest and USF are left out, and TCU never gets a chance. Notre Dame remains independent, just how they like it.

No, the SEC would have taken Duke and North Carolina, Texas A&M and probably Missouri although in that mess we may have opted for Virginia Tech instead of Missouri.

Nebraska made #12 in the Big 10. So Maryland, Virginia, probably N.C. State, and Georgia Tech would have been more likely for their 16.

Had they considered F.S.U. we would probably have taken both Clemson and F.S.U. to halt their advance in Atlanta unless they wanted Miami and Syracuse too.

I didn't think UNC would go for the SEC. Do you mean they wouldn't go anywhere without Duke? And that the Big Ten wouldn't take UNC if it meant they also had to take Duke?

I'm skeptical about the Big Ten's desire for NCSU, FSU, or Miami. If they get NU, UMD, UVA, and GT but not UNC, spot #16 comes down to ND (if they want it) or Rutgers. Of course, ND is more preferable than any of the other potential adds, but they'd only join if their backs were to the wall.

You keep counting Nebraska. Don't, as they were the Big 10's 12th school. And what I'm telling you is that North Carolina had contacted Birmingham in 2010-1 when this all broke to make sure that we would have a spot for Duke as well if the worst happened and the ACC broke up. We reportedly said yes. My point is that they weren't headed to the Big 10, didn't want to leave the ACC, and were just checking on a safety net.
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RE: Maisel: B1G took Rutgers after Georgia Tech (?!?!) turned them down
(01-03-2018 05:44 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  The story I was told at the time by a guy who is a close friend of John Swofford was B1G had UNC as target #1 and would gladly take Duke to get them and Florida State was target #2. None of the three were interested and B1G started working on UVA and GT in the hope of creating a sense of urgency if not panic that would put B1G in position to scoop up at least one if not both of UNC and Florida State.

In the end Maryland being in dire financial straits created the only ACC willing to bite.

ACC folks like to get paid but they also like playing each other, it's a much tougher nut to crack than many believe.

I remember hearing something similar. Delany is a North Carolina grad and UNC was the top target. If UNC said no, the goal at the time was to destabilize the ACC and hope that UNC would join later.
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RE: Maisel: B1G took Rutgers after Georgia Tech (?!?!) turned them down
(01-03-2018 09:25 PM)Wedge Wrote:  
(01-03-2018 05:44 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  The story I was told at the time by a guy who is a close friend of John Swofford was B1G had UNC as target #1 and would gladly take Duke to get them and Florida State was target #2. None of the three were interested and B1G started working on UVA and GT in the hope of creating a sense of urgency if not panic that would put B1G in position to scoop up at least one if not both of UNC and Florida State.

In the end Maryland being in dire financial straits created the only ACC willing to bite.

ACC folks like to get paid but they also like playing each other, it's a much tougher nut to crack than many believe.

I remember hearing something similar. Delany is a North Carolina grad and UNC was the top target. If UNC said no, the goal at the time was to destabilize the ACC and hope that UNC would join later.

Wait... if "Alma Mater" means something like "Dearest Mother", and Delany's Alma Mater is UNC, doesn't that mean he was willing to sell out his own mother?
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RE: Maisel: B1G took Rutgers after Georgia Tech (?!?!) turned them down
(01-03-2018 06:21 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  So, let's say this did happen, along with a Texoma 4 to Pac situation. The Big Ten picks up Nebraska, as well as UMD, UVA, UNC, and GT. The SEC takes NCSU and VT along with Missouri and A&M. The remnant Big 12 takes in most of the remaining ACC schools and Big East football schools to become the Big 16.

Big 16
East: Boston College, Connecticut, Rutgers, Syracuse
North: Cincinnati, Louisville, Pittsburgh, West Virginia
South: Clemson, Duke, Florida State, Miami-FL
West: Baylor, Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State

The interesting aspect about this scenario is that the C8 (Notre Dame, Georgetown, Villanova, St. Johns, Seton Hall, Providence, Marquette and DePaul) would have been a part of this setup. It would have been an elite basketball conference.
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RE: Maisel: B1G took Rutgers after Georgia Tech (?!?!) turned them down
(01-03-2018 09:48 PM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  
(01-03-2018 06:21 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  So, let's say this did happen, along with a Texoma 4 to Pac situation. The Big Ten picks up Nebraska, as well as UMD, UVA, UNC, and GT. The SEC takes NCSU and VT along with Missouri and A&M. The remnant Big 12 takes in most of the remaining ACC schools and Big East football schools to become the Big 16.

Big 16
East: Boston College, Connecticut, Rutgers, Syracuse
North: Cincinnati, Louisville, Pittsburgh, West Virginia
South: Clemson, Duke, Florida State, Miami-FL
West: Baylor, Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State

The interesting aspect about this scenario is that the C8 (Notre Dame, Georgetown, Villanova, St. Johns, Seton Hall, Providence, Marquette and DePaul) would have been a part of this setup. It would have been an elite basketball conference.

No, in this scenario, most of the Big East football schools leave for the Big 12/16, resulting in the BE dropping football.
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RE: Maisel: B1G took Rutgers after Georgia Tech (?!?!) turned them down
(01-03-2018 09:41 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(01-03-2018 09:25 PM)Wedge Wrote:  
(01-03-2018 05:44 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  The story I was told at the time by a guy who is a close friend of John Swofford was B1G had UNC as target #1 and would gladly take Duke to get them and Florida State was target #2. None of the three were interested and B1G started working on UVA and GT in the hope of creating a sense of urgency if not panic that would put B1G in position to scoop up at least one if not both of UNC and Florida State.

In the end Maryland being in dire financial straits created the only ACC willing to bite.

ACC folks like to get paid but they also like playing each other, it's a much tougher nut to crack than many believe.

I remember hearing something similar. Delany is a North Carolina grad and UNC was the top target. If UNC said no, the goal at the time was to destabilize the ACC and hope that UNC would join later.

Wait... if "Alma Mater" means something like "Dearest Mother", and Delany's Alma Mater is UNC, doesn't that mean he was willing to sell out his own mother?

03-lmfao 03-lmfao 03-lmfao

Too funny, How do you come up with this stuff.
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RE: Maisel: B1G took Rutgers after Georgia Tech (?!?!) turned them down
(01-03-2018 08:18 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(01-03-2018 06:41 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  
(01-03-2018 06:30 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(01-03-2018 06:21 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  So, let's say this did happen, along with a Texoma 4 to Pac situation. The Big Ten picks up Nebraska, as well as UMD, UVA, UNC, and GT. The SEC takes NCSU and VT along with Missouri and A&M. The remnant Big 12 takes in most of the remaining ACC schools and Big East football schools to become the Big 16.

Big 16
East: Boston College, Connecticut, Rutgers, Syracuse
North: Cincinnati, Louisville, Pittsburgh, West Virginia
South: Clemson, Duke, Florida State, Miami-FL
West: Baylor, Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State

Big Ten
East: Michigan, Michigan State, Ohio State, Penn State
North: Illinois, Indiana, Northwestern, Purdue
South: Georgia Tech, Maryland, North Carolina, Virginia
West: Iowa, Minnesota, Nebraska, Wisconsin

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East: Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Texas, Texas Tech
North: Oregon, Oregon State, Washington, Washington State
South: Arizona, Arizona State, Colorado, Utah
West: California, Stanford, UCLA, USC

SEC
East: Florida, Georgia, NC State, South Carolina
North: Kentucky, Tennessee, Vanderbilt, Virginia Tech
South: Alabama, Auburn, Mississippi State, Ole Miss
West: Arkansas, LSU, Missouri, Texas A&M

Wake Forest and USF are left out, and TCU never gets a chance. Notre Dame remains independent, just how they like it.

No, the SEC would have taken Duke and North Carolina, Texas A&M and probably Missouri although in that mess we may have opted for Virginia Tech instead of Missouri.

Nebraska made #12 in the Big 10. So Maryland, Virginia, probably N.C. State, and Georgia Tech would have been more likely for their 16.

Had they considered F.S.U. we would probably have taken both Clemson and F.S.U. to halt their advance in Atlanta unless they wanted Miami and Syracuse too.

I didn't think UNC would go for the SEC. Do you mean they wouldn't go anywhere without Duke? And that the Big Ten wouldn't take UNC if it meant they also had to take Duke?

I'm skeptical about the Big Ten's desire for NCSU, FSU, or Miami. If they get NU, UMD, UVA, and GT but not UNC, spot #16 comes down to ND (if they want it) or Rutgers. Of course, ND is more preferable than any of the other potential adds, but they'd only join if their backs were to the wall.

You keep counting Nebraska. Don't, as they were the Big 10's 12th school. And what I'm telling you is that North Carolina had contacted Birmingham in 2010-1 when this all broke to make sure that we would have a spot for Duke as well if the worst happened and the ACC broke up. We reportedly said yes. My point is that they weren't headed to the Big 10, didn't want to leave the ACC, and were just checking on a safety net.

I think all power leagues would have a spot for Duke with or without UNC. While realignment is generally football-focused, Duke is THE most elite of the elite basketball programs plus the top academic FBS school besides Stanford. Duke is the exact type of school that university presidents salivate over (and to be clear, I personally hate Duke with all of my might).
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RE: Maisel: B1G took Rutgers after Georgia Tech (?!?!) turned them down
Va & NC are now the #1 tarkets of B-10 & SEC, but there not intrested, so why waste your time.
NYC & Rutgers were always B-10 #1 targets, Nebraska sidetracked that plan.
Flipping MD was key, puts Va & NC at thier doorstep
Rutgers & ACC knew it was a done deal
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RE: Maisel: B1G took Rutgers after Georgia Tech (?!?!) turned them down
(01-03-2018 11:11 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  
(01-03-2018 08:18 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(01-03-2018 06:41 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  
(01-03-2018 06:30 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(01-03-2018 06:21 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  So, let's say this did happen, along with a Texoma 4 to Pac situation. The Big Ten picks up Nebraska, as well as UMD, UVA, UNC, and GT. The SEC takes NCSU and VT along with Missouri and A&M. The remnant Big 12 takes in most of the remaining ACC schools and Big East football schools to become the Big 16.

Big 16
East: Boston College, Connecticut, Rutgers, Syracuse
North: Cincinnati, Louisville, Pittsburgh, West Virginia
South: Clemson, Duke, Florida State, Miami-FL
West: Baylor, Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State

Big Ten
East: Michigan, Michigan State, Ohio State, Penn State
North: Illinois, Indiana, Northwestern, Purdue
South: Georgia Tech, Maryland, North Carolina, Virginia
West: Iowa, Minnesota, Nebraska, Wisconsin

Pac-16
East: Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Texas, Texas Tech
North: Oregon, Oregon State, Washington, Washington State
South: Arizona, Arizona State, Colorado, Utah
West: California, Stanford, UCLA, USC

SEC
East: Florida, Georgia, NC State, South Carolina
North: Kentucky, Tennessee, Vanderbilt, Virginia Tech
South: Alabama, Auburn, Mississippi State, Ole Miss
West: Arkansas, LSU, Missouri, Texas A&M

Wake Forest and USF are left out, and TCU never gets a chance. Notre Dame remains independent, just how they like it.

No, the SEC would have taken Duke and North Carolina, Texas A&M and probably Missouri although in that mess we may have opted for Virginia Tech instead of Missouri.

Nebraska made #12 in the Big 10. So Maryland, Virginia, probably N.C. State, and Georgia Tech would have been more likely for their 16.

Had they considered F.S.U. we would probably have taken both Clemson and F.S.U. to halt their advance in Atlanta unless they wanted Miami and Syracuse too.

I didn't think UNC would go for the SEC. Do you mean they wouldn't go anywhere without Duke? And that the Big Ten wouldn't take UNC if it meant they also had to take Duke?

I'm skeptical about the Big Ten's desire for NCSU, FSU, or Miami. If they get NU, UMD, UVA, and GT but not UNC, spot #16 comes down to ND (if they want it) or Rutgers. Of course, ND is more preferable than any of the other potential adds, but they'd only join if their backs were to the wall.

You keep counting Nebraska. Don't, as they were the Big 10's 12th school. And what I'm telling you is that North Carolina had contacted Birmingham in 2010-1 when this all broke to make sure that we would have a spot for Duke as well if the worst happened and the ACC broke up. We reportedly said yes. My point is that they weren't headed to the Big 10, didn't want to leave the ACC, and were just checking on a safety net.

I think all power leagues would have a spot for Duke with or without UNC. While realignment is generally football-focused, Duke is THE most elite of the elite basketball programs plus the top academic FBS school besides Stanford. Duke is the exact type of school that university presidents salivate over (and to be clear, I personally hate Duke with all of my might).

I know that's right Frank. I have no doubt but what the Big 10 would have offered both if they had been willing. It will be interesting to see what N.D. chooses to do about their scheduling and to see how much pressure they may be feeling over access to the CFP. The way I see it they have some deep thinking to do before moving forward. The scheduling model that saw them through the 80's and 90's isn't going to optimize their opportunities moving forward.

I mention that because it is probably the only blip left on the ACC radar that could cause waves, not major ones, but ripples. With N.D. all in and their network they might well hit a sweet spot on revenue, not quite SEC / B1G levels but close enough.

The Big 12? Maybe that's another matter. The PAC? They are in their own world so maybe the gap doesn't matter as much to them as the media likes to report.
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RE: Maisel: B1G took Rutgers after Georgia Tech (?!?!) turned them down
Duke's a differant animal without coach K
you already saw what NC had to do to keep it's elite status with Roy Williams
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(01-04-2018 12:54 AM)templefootballfan Wrote:  Duke's a differant animal without coach K
you already saw what NC had to do to keep it's elite status with Roy Williams

A lot of folks in Indianapolis still think that Brad Stevens will take over at Duke when Coach K leaves. But who knows? It's clearly not about money for him - if it was then he would have left Butler a lot earlier.
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RE: Maisel: B1G took Rutgers after Georgia Tech (?!?!) turned them down
(01-03-2018 11:18 PM)templefootballfan Wrote:  Va & NC are now the #1 tarkets of B-10 & SEC, but there not intrested, so why waste your time.
NYC & Rutgers were always B-10 #1 targets, Nebraska sidetracked that plan.
Flipping MD was key, puts Va & NC at thier doorstep
Rutgers & ACC knew it was a done deal

This......GT was never in over RU.
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RE: Maisel: B1G took Rutgers after Georgia Tech (?!?!) turned them down
Coach K has been grooming Jeff Capel into being the next coach with no dropoff. And there should be no dropoff. Brad Stevens wouldn't be a bad alternate obviously. The best case scenario would be Stevens with Capel as the alternate.
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(01-03-2018 04:32 PM)justinslot Wrote:  This weird little paragraph is buried in Maisel's column about Atlanta being the capital of the college football universe:

Quote:Everybody? Not only does Atlanta sit at the geographic heart of the SEC and the ACC, two of the conferences that make up the Power 5, but five years ago, when the Big Ten expanded to 14 teams, the league didn't take Rutgers until it had been turned down by Georgia Tech. Atlanta has brought in so many transplants that nearly half of the Power 5 schools have alumni watch parties on autumn Saturdays.

http://www.espn.com/college-football/sto...me-atlanta

Nobody here thinks this is what happened, right? Any "Georgia Tech to the B1G" talk was weird and peripheral and, you know, after the Maryland/Rutgers acquisitions had happened. If I am remembering things right. Why would he pull this imaginary tidbit out of his hinder?

I thought it was common knowledge that Rutgers was always the B1G's target (all those cable boxes) and the issue was finding a partner for Rutgers. Am I mistaken?

Thanks God Georgia Tech has the sense not to become island or West Virginia of B1G.
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(01-04-2018 08:39 AM)_C2_ Wrote:  Coach K has been grooming Jeff Capel into being the next coach with no dropoff. And there should be no dropoff. Brad Stevens wouldn't be a bad alternate obviously. The best case scenario would be Stevens with Capel as the alternate.

Right now Bobby Hurley is looking like the best Duke acolyte.
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(01-04-2018 01:16 AM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  
(01-04-2018 12:54 AM)templefootballfan Wrote:  Duke's a differant animal without coach K
you already saw what NC had to do to keep it's elite status with Roy Williams

A lot of folks in Indianapolis still think that Brad Stevens will take over at Duke when Coach K leaves. But who knows? It's clearly not about money for him - if it was then he would have left Butler a lot earlier.

I can’t see Stevens leaving the Celtics unless he’s actually fired. This is one of the NBA’s marquee franchises and yet they’ve given him more long-term leeway and control than even your average Power Five program would have done (much less one of the bluest of the blue bloods like Duke). It’s probably one of the few instances where the job security in the NBA would actually be better than in college (and with better pay in the NBA, to boot).
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RE: Maisel: B1G took Rutgers after Georgia Tech (?!?!) turned them down
(01-04-2018 08:20 AM)penguino Wrote:  
(01-03-2018 11:18 PM)templefootballfan Wrote:  Va & NC are now the #1 tarkets of B-10 & SEC, but there not intrested, so why waste your time.
NYC & Rutgers were always B-10 #1 targets, Nebraska sidetracked that plan.
Flipping MD was key, puts Va & NC at thier doorstep
Rutgers & ACC knew it was a done deal

This......GT was never in over RU.

Georgia Tech cracks open the ACC in a way that Maryland didn't. (Especially if it's Maryland *AND* Georgia Tech.) That puts UNC and UVA (the real prizes for the Big Ten) in play.

Rutgers is the 2AM last resort after you strike out with the core ACC schools that would bring the BTN to the entire south Atlantic region.
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RE: Maisel: B1G took Rutgers after Georgia Tech (?!?!) turned them down
(01-03-2018 07:01 PM)justinslot Wrote:  What bugs me is Maisel dropped that in there like it was a statement of fact, common knowledge even. But this would be completely new realignment information--right? I followed this stuff pretty religiously during the realignment chaos era and I never once heard "Rutgers was picked by the B1G after Georgia Tech turned them down."

http://www.startribune.com/christensen-a...192067661/

https://www.landgrantholyland.com/2012/1...he-big-ten

http://www.sportingnews.com/ncaa-footbal...a-tech-acc
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