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EMU made Trey Moses look like an All-American today. I agree with others though, if this is the best team in the West we have a good chance to beat the pre season predictions.
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All I can say, I HATED to open with BSU in Muncie.
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(01-02-2018 08:57 PM)emu steve Wrote:  All I can say, I HATED to open with BSU in Muncie.
But it's over. Well get them in Ypsi.
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My thought on defensive rebounding is that EMU over-plays the shooter, trying to get blocks. This leaves other opponents uncovered for the RB. Maybe all that length works against them.

Whatever the reason, Murphy needs to fix this.
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It's too bad Murphy refuses to come out of the zone after the opponent has figured out how to beat it. Murphy should atleast"try" something different.......

Onto BGSU where our talent will win the game.
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(01-02-2018 09:04 PM)Luckeyone Wrote:  It's too bad Murphy refuses to come out of the zone after the opponent has figured out how to beat it. Murphy should atleast"try" something different.......

Onto BGSU where our talent will win the game.

Did you watch the game? We forced them into some awful shots pretty often. The zone wasn't the problem at all. We rotated well to take away the high post pass, and we (Bond, especially) took away the baseline. We just got out worked on the glass. Some of it was because of wild block attempts, but they missed a ton of long threes that we couldn't secure. Moses and Teague were just stronger than Minnie and Thompson. That would've happened in M2M too.

But keep up your zone crusade.
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(01-02-2018 09:11 PM)EagleSam Wrote:  
(01-02-2018 09:04 PM)Luckeyone Wrote:  It's too bad Murphy refuses to come out of the zone after the opponent has figured out how to beat it. Murphy should atleast"try" something different.......

Onto BGSU where our talent will win the game.

Did you watch the game? We forced them into some awful shots pretty often. The zone wasn't the problem at all. We rotated well to take away the high post pass, and we (Bond, especially) took away the baseline. We just got out worked on the glass. Some of it was because of wild block attempts, but they missed a ton of long threes that we couldn't secure. Moses and Teague were just stronger than Minnie and Thompson. That would've happened in M2M too.

But keep up your zone crusade.

Yep, I watched the game. We got lucky in the first half that BSU was cold from the outside. In the first half we gave up I believe 10 offensive rebounds for BSU to get multiple chances.

In the second half BSU was very patient by working the ball about the perimeter, and after the zone broke down they passed into the paint at will and got easy buckets.

It's a shame that our talent will be wasted by winning 10 games in the conference when there's potential to win 13-14 games.
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Define "at will"? They had a nice run with Bond on the bench after that missed alley-oop, but it was nothing like last year where they picked us apart. Murphy adjusted well, having the two guys at the top of the zone front the high post man when the ball wasn't on their side.

Our rebounding killed us, end of story. Thompson losing his cool was a back breaker too. Those guys really know how to get under his skin. His first blow up this season. Scoring 62 points (0 from the bench) won't get it done very often either. The defense was the least of my worries tonight, especially considering how good they've done against it over the last two years. You and I watched different games.
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This team is talented enough to avoid a seven game losing streak like last year during the MAC season. But, scheme and coaching will likely hold this team back from reaching its full potential. It's been talked about many times, but at some point we will have to face the reality that Murphy is probably one of the best recruiters in the MAC, and possibly one of the worst in-game coaches. He has mismanaged games and players for his entire tenure, leaves players in with foul trouble, too long (Thompson), pulls players too often and messes with their confidence (Lee). Murphy's rotation of players in the past has been a detriment to allowing players to get into any type of rhythm. I think if Ray Lee played as out of control, and took some of the shots that Jackson takes, he would have spent the next five minutes on the bench. And that's part of the problem, Murphy is so temperamental, his players have no idea what to expect from him. With talent like Thompson, Minnie, Jackson, Bond, etc... there is no reason this shouldn't be a top MAC team, but we are 9-5 and 0-1 in the MAC, this time last year we were 9-5 an 1-0 in the MAC. Because Murphy is a great recruiter we are an average MAC program, and because he is such a terrible in-game coach, we are an average MAC program. I don't know the answer, but how many more years of mediocre performance do we need to see out of Murphy led teams. I will tell you that I believe other programs in the MAC, and around the country are doing more with less talent, and that goes entirely to coaching.
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(01-03-2018 12:18 AM)emdypo Wrote:  This team is talented enough to avoid a seven game losing streak like last year during the MAC season. But, scheme and coaching will likely hold this team back from reaching its full potential. It's been talked about many times, but at some point we will have to face the reality that Murphy is probably one of the best recruiters in the MAC, and possibly one of the worst in-game coaches. He has mismanaged games and players for his entire tenure, leaves players in with foul trouble, too long (Thompson), pulls players too often and messes with their confidence (Lee). Murphy's rotation of players in the past has been a detriment to allowing players to get into any type of rhythm. I think if Ray Lee played as out of control, and took some of the shots that Jackson takes, he would have spent the next five minutes on the bench. And that's part of the problem, Murphy is so temperamental, his players have no idea what to expect from him. With talent like Thompson, Minnie, Jackson, Bond, etc... there is no reason this shouldn't be a top MAC team, but we are 9-5 and 0-1 in the MAC, this time last year we were 9-5 an 1-0 in the MAC. Because Murphy is a great recruiter we are an average MAC program, and because he is such a terrible in-game coach, we are an average MAC program. I don't know the answer, but how many more years of mediocre performance do we need to see out of Murphy led teams. I will tell you that I believe other programs in the MAC, and around the country are doing more with less talent, and that goes entirely to coaching.

Dead on my friend. Bullseye.
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Are you guys (some of you) saying that Murphy isn't a great BENCH coach?

One can not LOGICALLY say that Murphy took players like Minnie, Jackson, etc. and made them MUCH, MUCH better players (than at their previous schools) and say he can't coach.

To me, the biggest reason why this team doesn't win more games are several:

1). In NON-conference season, we do not have the $ to buy a lot of high probability win games. We probably pay a local NAIA school 10K to come to Ypsi. BSU probably pays a HBCU team 50 - 75K to come to Muncie. Raking in those D-1 wins is important.

2). JT4 foul trouble. Some of this is James' problem but once get get in the Midwest those game officials have their eyes out for him. When James isn't in foul trouble we play very well. We rarely beat a half decent D-I team with James in foul trouble or ejection.

3). Not a huge thing, but our home games do not give us a real home court advantage. We need for the opponents and game officials to feel the crowd.

I've noticed that when we went to UNF, LBSU, etc. JT4 wasn't in foul trouble, those game officials do not know him. Get back into the Midwest with the B1G/MAC game officials they don't let him play.
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Same old story. Good talent, bad coaching. Murphy has got to go, the program is being strangled by his mediocrity and EMU deserves better.
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This team has a trend of playing well the first half (IU, Syracuse, Oakland and Ball St) and falling off the second half.
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(01-03-2018 08:07 AM)emu79 Wrote:  This team has a trend of playing well the first half (IU, Syracuse, Oakland and Ball St) and falling off the second half.

Lack of a bench??
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(01-03-2018 08:53 AM)emu steve Wrote:  
(01-03-2018 08:07 AM)emu79 Wrote:  This team has a trend of playing well the first half (IU, Syracuse, Oakland and Ball St) and falling off the second half.

Lack of a bench??

Interesting in all of these games the first half our opponents did not shot well against our zone. Second half they lit it up. Lack of adjustment on our part?
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Let me start with I am a season ticket holder and will continue going to games and traveling to road games because I love EMU. This will never change regardless of success levels. Yes I am and most of us on here are a different breed.

I want Murphy to be successful so bad, but I cannot overlook the areas where he clearly lacks. These areas are not just a one game over reaction but are consistent with his entire tenure at EMU, thus making it even more frustrating that they do not change.

-He still does not have a consistent offensive scheme. At times it looks like he draws up motion schemes that get the ball moving and gets the defense out of position. However when the game comes down to crucial points he is unable to keep this up and thus relies on one-on-one hero ball. We have seen this in the past and it continues this year.

-He over plays his starters. You can see the starters, specifically Thompson, Minnie, Jackson wear down in the second half. They miss shots they normally don't, lose the intensity in the zone, no desire to rebound. If foul trouble were never a problem he would play those three all 40 minutes every night. That just will not work in the college game where other coaches are bringing in fresh legs, especially while trying to play a high intensity attack the passing lanes zone. JT is either taking plays off on the defensive end because of fatigue or because foul trouble, either way it can't happen, especially for the anchor of the zone.

-He is inconsistent with the way he disciplines players during the game. We all know how quickly he pulled the leash on Ray Lee and how he continues to do so with the young players. The ones that we need contributing and need to increase their confidence by giving them a chance to learn under fire. This happens while he allows his big dogs (JT, Minnie, Jackson) to make mistakes, give marginal effort, jog down the court, with no repercussions.

-He refuses to every adapt on the defensive end. The zone is his thing, we all get that, but it will be his demise if he continues to refuse to adapt with what the opposing team is doing against it. Any team can beat us if they hit 3's. They will always be open with some ball movement, whether it is Duke or Marygrove. This is a flaw of the zone. Compound that with the difficulty to rebound out of a zone and it is a recipe to get beat by teams who are not superior in talent. Last night showed us that a team can even shoot 21% from 3 and still beat us. That does not bode well for the rest of the year.

Again this is not a one game overreaction, this is the same song and dance we have seen for years. I hope that we can turn this around, take care of business at home and steal a few on the road. Hopefully the team will gel and play their best ball down the stretch when the tournament comes up. Go Eagles and hope to see everyone at the Convo Saturday!
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(01-03-2018 09:13 AM)EAGLE KING Wrote:  Let me start with I am a season ticket holder and will continue going to games and traveling to road games because I love EMU. This will never change regardless of success levels. Yes I am and most of us on here are a different breed.

I want Murphy to be successful so bad, but I cannot overlook the areas where he clearly lacks. These areas are not just a one game over reaction but are consistent with his entire tenure at EMU, thus making it even more frustrating that they do not change.

-He still does not have a consistent offensive scheme. At times it looks like he draws up motion schemes that get the ball moving and gets the defense out of position. However when the game comes down to crucial points he is unable to keep this up and thus relies on one-on-one hero ball. We have seen this in the past and it continues this year.

-He over plays his starters. You can see the starters, specifically Thompson, Minnie, Jackson wear down in the second half. They miss shots they normally don't, lose the intensity in the zone, no desire to rebound. If foul trouble were never a problem he would play those three all 40 minutes every night. That just will not work in the college game where other coaches are bringing in fresh legs, especially while trying to play a high intensity attack the passing lanes zone. JT is either taking plays off on the defensive end because of fatigue or because foul trouble, either way it can't happen, especially for the anchor of the zone.

-He is inconsistent with the way he disciplines players during the game. We all know how quickly he pulled the leash on Ray Lee and how he continues to do so with the young players. The ones that we need contributing and need to increase their confidence by giving them a chance to learn under fire. This happens while he allows his big dogs (JT, Minnie, Jackson) to make mistakes, give marginal effort, jog down the court, with no repercussions.

-He refuses to every adapt on the defensive end. The zone is his thing, we all get that, but it will be his demise if he continues to refuse to adapt with what the opposing team is doing against it. Any team can beat us if they hit 3's. They will always be open with some ball movement, whether it is Duke or Marygrove. This is a flaw of the zone. Compound that with the difficulty to rebound out of a zone and it is a recipe to get beat by teams who are not superior in talent. Last night showed us that a team can even shoot 21% from 3 and still beat us. That does not bode well for the rest of the year.

Again this is not a one game overreaction, this is the same song and dance we have seen for years. I hope that we can turn this around, take care of business at home and steal a few on the road. Hopefully the team will gel and play their best ball down the stretch when the tournament comes up. Go Eagles and hope to see everyone at the Convo Saturday!

I see us at 9-9 in conference play. Your comments are spot on. Murphy has a slightly above .500 record for seven years. Yes I would like him to succeed but at some point .500 year after year doesn't do for me nor should it for anyone who wants the program to be where it once was.
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(01-03-2018 12:18 AM)emdypo Wrote:  This team is talented enough to avoid a seven game losing streak like last year during the MAC season. But, scheme and coaching will likely hold this team back from reaching its full potential. It's been talked about many times, but at some point we will have to face the reality that Murphy is probably one of the best recruiters in the MAC, and possibly one of the worst in-game coaches. He has mismanaged games and players for his entire tenure, leaves players in with foul trouble, too long (Thompson), pulls players too often and messes with their confidence (Lee). Murphy's rotation of players in the past has been a detriment to allowing players to get into any type of rhythm. I think if Ray Lee played as out of control, and took some of the shots that Jackson takes, he would have spent the next five minutes on the bench. And that's part of the problem, Murphy is so temperamental, his players have no idea what to expect from him. With talent like Thompson, Minnie, Jackson, Bond, etc... there is no reason this shouldn't be a top MAC team, but we are 9-5 and 0-1 in the MAC, this time last year we were 9-5 an 1-0 in the MAC. Because Murphy is a great recruiter we are an average MAC program, and because he is such a terrible in-game coach, we are an average MAC program. I don't know the answer, but how many more years of mediocre performance do we need to see out of Murphy led teams. I will tell you that I believe other programs in the MAC, and around the country are doing more with less talent, and that goes entirely to coaching.
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I agree with you a 1000 percent! Very well said and I believe most of us agree that Murphy is a great recruiter and poor tactician.

We have to be careful when the next coach comes in because we don't want a good tactician and a poor recruiter (Boone).

Let's let this season play out.....
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(01-03-2018 08:57 AM)emu79 Wrote:  
(01-03-2018 08:53 AM)emu steve Wrote:  
(01-03-2018 08:07 AM)emu79 Wrote:  This team has a trend of playing well the first half (IU, Syracuse, Oakland and Ball St) and falling off the second half.

Lack of a bench??

Interesting in all of these games the first half our opponents did not shot well against our zone. Second half they lit it up. Lack of adjustment on our part?

This is 'above my pay grade' (that old expression).

I don't know if the sub-par second half has do to their adjustment OR our starters becoming tired on the defensive end, and a step slow?

That said, I did NOT consider all of the frosh newcomers a plus. No knock on frosh, but too many freshmen is appropriate for a rebuilding, not contending team.

We have a real hole at backup center (King will be a player in time, but he is a frosh today). We could use another experienced SG.

One could easily argue the difference between this team being 12 - 6 or 13 - 5 and say 10 - 8 is an experienced backup center who can hold the fort when he needs to play 10 - 15 minutes.

To be 12 - 6 or better a team better not have too many holes... And for those who have a love for BSU they did not win 12 conference games last year or the year before. We (some poster) are holding EMU to a difference standard than say BSU.

BSU goes 11 - 7 and 10 - 8 the last two season and posters make them out to be like the great BSU teams of the late 80s (Rick Majerus' teams).

What say thee if WE go 11 - 7 this year?
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(01-03-2018 09:51 AM)emu steve Wrote:  
(01-03-2018 08:57 AM)emu79 Wrote:  
(01-03-2018 08:53 AM)emu steve Wrote:  
(01-03-2018 08:07 AM)emu79 Wrote:  This team has a trend of playing well the first half (IU, Syracuse, Oakland and Ball St) and falling off the second half.

Lack of a bench??

Interesting in all of these games the first half our opponents did not shot well against our zone. Second half they lit it up. Lack of adjustment on our part?

This is 'above my pay grade' (that old expression).

I don't know if the sub-par second half has do to their adjustment OR our starters becoming tired on the defensive end, and a step slow?

That said, I did NOT consider all of the frosh newcomers a plus. No knock on frosh, but too many freshmen is appropriate for a rebuilding, not contending team.

We have a real hole at backup center (King will be a player in time, but he is a frosh today). We could use another experienced SG.

One could easily argue the difference between this team being 12 - 6 or 13 - 5 and say 10 - 8 is an experienced backup center who can hold the fort when he needs to play 10 - 15 minutes.

To be 12 - 6 or better a team better not have too many holes... And for those who have a love for BSU they did not win 12 conference games last year or the year before. We (some poster) are holding EMU to a difference standard than say BSU.

BSU goes 11 - 7 and 10 - 8 the last two season and posters make them out to be like the great BSU teams of the late 80s (Rick Majerus' teams).
Steve,

After watching BSU yesterday, I certainly don't think they are a high caliber team. I think they are a very good MAC team but not a great MAC team. It's frustrating that the MAC is ripe for the taking for well coached teams. I've also looked at Buffalo and WMU and I believe EMU has more talent than they do. We've been down this road before......
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