(01-03-2018 05:57 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  We just need to recognize that UCF is not the only undefeated to not get a crack at the championship. Believe me, I wish they did because you can only ultimately settle this on the field. The system determining the champion is the issue and anything that can be done to continue to try and improve this I am all for. Not necessarily apples to apples but here's a list of recent undefeated teams that were not national champions based on the recognized system at that time:

2012 Ohio State 12-0 (National Champ. Alabama 13-1)
2010 TCU 13-0 (NC Auburn 14-0)
2009 Boise St. 14-0 (NC Alabama 14-0)
2008 Utah 13-0 (NC Florida 13-1)
2006 Boise St. 13-0 (NC Florida 13-1)
2004 Auburn 13-0
2004 Utah 12-0 (NC USC 13-0)
1999 Marshall 13-0 (NC Florida St. 12-0)
1998 Tulane 12-0 (NC Tennessee 13-0)

Interestingly, Urban and Cadaverville both finished undefeated but not national champs in 2004. USC's national title that year was later stripped/vacated of course.

Yeah, but wasn't this whole playoff flim flam sold as a remedy for schools that got the shaft in your examples?

(01-03-2018 06:48 PM)JackieTreehorn Wrote:  

(01-03-2018 05:57 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  We just need to recognize that UCF is not the only undefeated to not get a crack at the championship. Believe me, I wish they did because you can only ultimately settle this on the field. The system determining the champion is the issue and anything that can be done to continue to try and improve this I am all for. Not necessarily apples to apples but here's a list of recent undefeated teams that were not national champions based on the recognized system at that time:

2012 Ohio State 12-0 (National Champ. Alabama 13-1)
2010 TCU 13-0 (NC Auburn 14-0)
2009 Boise St. 14-0 (NC Alabama 14-0)
2008 Utah 13-0 (NC Florida 13-1)
2006 Boise St. 13-0 (NC Florida 13-1)
2004 Auburn 13-0
2004 Utah 12-0 (NC USC 13-0)
1999 Marshall 13-0 (NC Florida St. 12-0)
1998 Tulane 12-0 (NC Tennessee 13-0)

Interestingly, Urban and Cadaverville both finished undefeated but not national champs in 2004. USC's national title that year was later stripped/vacated of course.

Yeah, but wasn't this whole playoff flim flam sold as a remedy for schools that got the shaft in your examples?

It was billed as an improvement. Again, I'm not defending the system in place per se, but it is what we have. I think we all agree that it needs to continue to be refined.

(01-03-2018 06:48 PM)JackieTreehorn Wrote:  

(01-03-2018 05:57 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  We just need to recognize that UCF is not the only undefeated to not get a crack at the championship. Believe me, I wish they did because you can only ultimately settle this on the field. The system determining the champion is the issue and anything that can be done to continue to try and improve this I am all for. Not necessarily apples to apples but here's a list of recent undefeated teams that were not national champions based on the recognized system at that time:

2012 Ohio State 12-0 (National Champ. Alabama 13-1)
2010 TCU 13-0 (NC Auburn 14-0)
2009 Boise St. 14-0 (NC Alabama 14-0)
2008 Utah 13-0 (NC Florida 13-1)
2006 Boise St. 13-0 (NC Florida 13-1)
2004 Auburn 13-0
2004 Utah 12-0 (NC USC 13-0)
1999 Marshall 13-0 (NC Florida St. 12-0)
1998 Tulane 12-0 (NC Tennessee 13-0)

Interestingly, Urban and Cadaverville both finished undefeated but not national champs in 2004. USC's national title that year was later stripped/vacated of course.

Yeah, but wasn't this whole playoff flim flam sold as a remedy for schools that got the shaft in your examples?

Nope. It was sold and agreed to by everyone on the basis of the fact that every conference and school got a guaranteed paycheck for breathing under this system.

Quote:College Football Playoff Revenue Distribution Policies

The following estimates of the CFP revenue distribution are based on preliminary calculations for the 2017-18 season and are only approximate projections of potential revenue distribution from each component:

(1) Each conference will receive $300,000 for each of its schools when the school's football team meets the NCAA's APR for participation in a post-season football game. Each independent institution will also receive the $300,000 when its football team meets that standard.

(2) Each of the 10 conferences will also receive a base amount. For conferences that have contracts for their champions to participate in the Orange, Rose or Sugar Bowl, the base combined with the full academic performance pool will be approximately $54 million for each conference. The five conferences that do not have contracts for their champions to participate in the Orange, Rose or Sugar Bowls will receive approximately $81.32 million in aggregate (full academic pool plus base), which the conferences will distribute as they choose. Notre Dame will receive a payment of $2.65 million if it meets the APR standard; the other three independents will share $928,503.

(3) A conference will receive $6 million for each team that is selected for the semifinal games. There will be no additional distribution to conferences whose teams qualify for the national championship game. A conference will receive $4 million for each team that plays in a non-playoff bowl under the arrangement (in 2017-18, the Cotton, Fiesta and Peach Bowls).

(4) Each conference whose team participates in a playoff semifinal, Cotton, Fiesta or Peach Bowl, or in the national championship game will receive $2.25 million to cover expenses for each game.

Additionally, certain conferences in the Football Championship Subdivision conferences will receive $2.53 million in aggregate.

(01-03-2018 07:10 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  

(01-03-2018 06:48 PM)JackieTreehorn Wrote:  

(01-03-2018 05:57 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  We just need to recognize that UCF is not the only undefeated to not get a crack at the championship. Believe me, I wish they did because you can only ultimately settle this on the field. The system determining the champion is the issue and anything that can be done to continue to try and improve this I am all for. Not necessarily apples to apples but here's a list of recent undefeated teams that were not national champions based on the recognized system at that time:

2012 Ohio State 12-0 (National Champ. Alabama 13-1)
2010 TCU 13-0 (NC Auburn 14-0)
2009 Boise St. 14-0 (NC Alabama 14-0)
2008 Utah 13-0 (NC Florida 13-1)
2006 Boise St. 13-0 (NC Florida 13-1)
2004 Auburn 13-0
2004 Utah 12-0 (NC USC 13-0)
1999 Marshall 13-0 (NC Florida St. 12-0)
1998 Tulane 12-0 (NC Tennessee 13-0)

Interestingly, Urban and Cadaverville both finished undefeated but not national champs in 2004. USC's national title that year was later stripped/vacated of course.

Yeah, but wasn't this whole playoff flim flam sold as a remedy for schools that got the shaft in your examples?

Nope. It was sold and agreed to by everyone on the basis of the fact that every conference and school got a guaranteed paycheck for breathing under this system.

Quote:College Football Playoff Revenue Distribution Policies

The following estimates of the CFP revenue distribution are based on preliminary calculations for the 2017-18 season and are only approximate projections of potential revenue distribution from each component:

(1) Each conference will receive $300,000 for each of its schools when the school's football team meets the NCAA's APR for participation in a post-season football game. Each independent institution will also receive the $300,000 when its football team meets that standard.

(2) Each of the 10 conferences will also receive a base amount. For conferences that have contracts for their champions to participate in the Orange, Rose or Sugar Bowl, the base combined with the full academic performance pool will be approximately $54 million for each conference. The five conferences that do not have contracts for their champions to participate in the Orange, Rose or Sugar Bowls will receive approximately $81.32 million in aggregate (full academic pool plus base), which the conferences will distribute as they choose. Notre Dame will receive a payment of $2.65 million if it meets the APR standard; the other three independents will share $928,503.

(3) A conference will receive $6 million for each team that is selected for the semifinal games. There will be no additional distribution to conferences whose teams qualify for the national championship game. A conference will receive $4 million for each team that plays in a non-playoff bowl under the arrangement (in 2017-18, the Cotton, Fiesta and Peach Bowls).

(4) Each conference whose team participates in a playoff semifinal, Cotton, Fiesta or Peach Bowl, or in the national championship game will receive $2.25 million to cover expenses for each game.

Additionally, certain conferences in the Football Championship Subdivision conferences will receive $2.53 million in aggregate.

Um, I'm talking about the way it was sold to the general public not the schools...

Public schmublic

The minute any of this negatively impacts the TV ratings and ad revenue bottom line they may listen. But its not going to.

(01-03-2018 04:48 PM)The T-Shirt Wrote:  

(01-03-2018 04:45 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  

(01-03-2018 04:42 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  Final Five! Hang the banner.

Come Tuesday morning this is going to look like the Dungeons and Dragons dork lobbying to be the prom king.

Again..I repeat...

Alabama claims a National Championship when it went 9-2 in 1941, finished second in the SEC and 20th in the AP Poll... because it finished No. 1 in the Houlgate System (whatever that is).

Other big boy programs do this as well when it suits them.

I am fully on board with UCF doing this when the Big Conference Cartel purposes sets it up to give them no chance to ever prove themselves in a playoff system.

Doesn't Bama claim another title because some publication listed them at #1 after the reg season, but never updated after the bowl games where Bama ended up losing? I'm gonna try and find where I read that...

It's not just Bama. Tenn, Pitt, MSU and others all claim bogus NC's. UCF has a more legitimate claim. P5 is irritated, then even the playing field and make the sport legitimate.

(01-03-2018 05:36 PM)Dannyboy Wrote:  UCF is the undisputed true national champion. There is no counter argument. Hang the banner.

totally agree

(01-03-2018 05:57 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  We just need to recognize that UCF is not the only undefeated to not get a crack at the championship. Believe me, I wish they did because you can only ultimately settle this on the field. The system determining the champion is the issue and anything that can be done to continue to try and improve this I am all for. Not necessarily apples to apples but here's a list of recent undefeated teams that were not national champions based on the recognized system at that time:

2012 Ohio State 12-0 (National Champ. Alabama 13-1)
2010 TCU 13-0 (NC Auburn 14-0)
2009 Boise St. 14-0 (NC Alabama 14-0)
2008 Utah 13-0 (NC Florida 13-1)
2006 Boise St. 13-0 (NC Florida 13-1)
2004 Auburn 13-0
2004 Utah 12-0 (NC USC 13-0)
1999 Marshall 13-0 (NC Florida St. 12-0)
1998 Tulane 12-0 (NC Tennessee 13-0)

Interestingly, Urban and Cadaverville both finished undefeated but not national champs in 2004. USC's national title that year was later stripped/vacated of course.

osu needs to be removed. They were on probation and prohibited from playing in the post season. Same with 2004 Auburn. Those schools had nothing to do with the selection process.

Auburn beat Virginia Tech in the Sugar Bowl that year it went undefeated....that was one strange bowl ban they were on.

(01-03-2018 08:22 PM)bearcatmill Wrote:  

(01-03-2018 05:57 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  We just need to recognize that UCF is not the only undefeated to not get a crack at the championship. Believe me, I wish they did because you can only ultimately settle this on the field. The system determining the champion is the issue and anything that can be done to continue to try and improve this I am all for. Not necessarily apples to apples but here's a list of recent undefeated teams that were not national champions based on the recognized system at that time:

2012 Ohio State 12-0 (National Champ. Alabama 13-1)
2010 TCU 13-0 (NC Auburn 14-0)
2009 Boise St. 14-0 (NC Alabama 14-0)
2008 Utah 13-0 (NC Florida 13-1)
2006 Boise St. 13-0 (NC Florida 13-1)
2004 Auburn 13-0
2004 Utah 12-0 (NC USC 13-0)
1999 Marshall 13-0 (NC Florida St. 12-0)
1998 Tulane 12-0 (NC Tennessee 13-0)

Interestingly, Urban and Cadaverville both finished undefeated but not national champs in 2004. USC's national title that year was later stripped/vacated of course.

osu needs to be removed. They were on probation and prohibited from playing in the post season. Same with 2004 Auburn. Those schools had nothing to do with the selection process.

I had forgotten about post-Tressel but I think you're confusing the 1993 Auburn team coached by Terry Bowden in his first season at the helm.

(01-03-2018 12:34 PM)CincyBro Wrote:  This UCF national champ talk is just bs, we know they are not undefeated in other conferences, just nonsense.

You’re missing the point.

I love it. I hope every coach that they play refers to them as the national champion especially in the AAC.

(01-03-2018 08:30 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  Auburn beat Virginia Tech in the Sugar Bowl that year it went undefeated....that was one strange bowl ban they were on.

I was confusing 93 Auburn with 2004. However, I am sure they should have been on probation.

(01-03-2018 12:34 PM)CincyBro Wrote:  This UCF national champ talk is just bs, we know they are not undefeated in other conferences, just nonsense.

No team is undefeated in other conferences, since a team only belongs to one conference. So you are right to say it's nonsense that a team can be undefeated in multiple conferences in a single year

Sounds like UCF is officially claiming the National Championship, including paying out contractual bonuses to the (now former) coaching staff for winning the NC.

(01-04-2018 09:47 AM)Racinejake Wrote:  Sounds like UCF is officially claiming the National Championship, including paying out contractual bonuses to the (now former) coaching staff for winning the NC.

The former is a harmless publicity stunt. The latter is disgusting. UCF took a $27M subsidy to balance their athletic budget and now they're going to needlessly throw around half a million dollars for a made up, self-declared championship to a group of coaches who won't even be there next year. I guess when you're not playing with house money, you can just soak the students for some more fees to pay for it.

UCF isnt doing anything that multiple programs havent done. If they have to take their banner down so should everyone else.

And as far as the current syatem...its ridiculous anyway. There is a playoff that is really only for about 10 teams...all of which play mostly home games, NEVER on the road at places like UCF. Its a sham.

They claim SOS as the reason G5 team records dont count but they wont play said G5 teams and if they do -in rare instance, only at home.

Its a rigged system aimed at protecting the Alabama’s of the world...

And everyone knows all this and still acts like these programs earned it. LOL

The 64,000+ UCF students who get milked for the $14.32 per credit hour athletics subsidy should file a class action for recovery of these funds thrown away in a publicity stunt. Great use of student $$ especially when the entire staff is already being paid by Nebraska. What a scam.

(01-04-2018 10:27 AM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  UCF isnt doing anything that multiple programs havent done. If they have to take their banner down so should everyone else.

And as far as the current syatem...its ridiculous anyway. There is a playoff that is really only for about 10 teams...all of which play mostly home games, NEVER on the road at places like UCF. Its a sham.

They claim SOS as the reason G5 team records dont count but they wont play said G5 teams and if they do -in rare instance, only at home.

Its a rigged system aimed at protecting the Alabama’s of the world...

And everyone knows all this and still acts like these programs earned it. LOL

I find it funny how some people clamor for an 8 team playoff, like that's a solution. It would just wind up being 8 P5 schools in the playoffs instead of the current 4.

(01-04-2018 11:13 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  The 64,000+ UCF students who get milked for the $14.32 per credit hour athletics subsidy should file a class action for recovery of these funds thrown away in a publicity stunt. Great use of student $$ especially when the entire staff is already being paid by Nebraska. What a scam.

eh, for $325k and 64,000 plaintiffs it's not worth anybody's time.