(01-02-2018 08:48 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(01-02-2018 08:40 AM)BadgerMJ Wrote:  Let's pump the brakes a bit.

Before anointing them as the next best thing since sliced bread, how about having them prove something beyond 1 year?

Let's not forget that the team you're pounding your chests over are just 2 years from being 0-12, so let's just settle down.....

This...

When ALA beats UCF in football call us back. you are 0-1 and afraid to schedule the big boys of the G schools. instead you go play mercer.

(01-02-2018 10:14 AM)Zombiewoof Wrote:  I mean no disrespect to UCF as an institution or any of its athletics programs, but anyone who seriously believes that UCF is under consideration for a bid to the Big 10 or the SEC is delusional. I believe the Big XII should and would consider UCF whenever the conference decides to expand, but their circumstances are quite different from the Big 10 and SEC. Those two conferences will be considering schools like Oklahoma, Texas, North Carolina, Virginia, Clemson and Florida State. Even UCF diehards would admit that they aren't an option for conferences looking at schools like that. Again, with apologies to UCF that has an awful lot going for it, the school is not under serious consideration for expansion to the Big 10 or SEC and aren't likely to be in my lifetime.

agree

(01-02-2018 09:10 AM)BadgerMJ Wrote:  

(01-02-2018 08:43 AM)otown Wrote:  

(01-02-2018 08:40 AM)BadgerMJ Wrote:  Let's pump the brakes a bit.

Before anointing them as the next best thing since sliced bread, how about having them prove something beyond 1 year?

Let's not forget that the team you're pounding your chests over are just 2 years from being 0-12, so let's just settle down.....

I think you should look at the years beyond the 0-12 season. They have been quite good, have many conference championships, and now have two BCS/NY6 bowl wins in the last 5 years. There are not even that many P5 schools that can hang their hat on that accomplishment.

Sorry, good teams don't pull a Cleveland Browns for a season.

Down years, sure, but scoring a zero takes work. Even bad teams like Kansas and Illinois managed to win at least one game.

Its called a coach who quit on the team and didn't want to be there. They went to a bowl the following year with pretty much the same talent once they replaced the coaching staff.

(01-02-2018 10:14 AM)Zombiewoof Wrote:  I mean no disrespect to UCF as an institution or any of its athletics programs, but anyone who seriously believes that UCF is under consideration for a bid to the Big 10 or the SEC is delusional. I believe the Big XII should and would consider UCF whenever the conference decides to expand, but their circumstances are quite different from the Big 10 and SEC. Those two conferences will be considering schools like Oklahoma, Texas, North Carolina, Virginia, Clemson and Florida State. Even UCF diehards would admit that they aren't an option for conferences looking at schools like that. Again, with apologies to UCF that has an awful lot going for it, the school is not under serious consideration for expansion to the Big 10 or SEC and aren't likely to be in my lifetime.

Agree with your general premise, but the ACC has a grant of rights in place that goes almost 20 years out. The SEC and B1G won't be looking at any of those four schools at all.

Highly doubtful that any conferences would have reached out to UCF in reference to expansion within hours of winning Peach bowl. Sorry, not likely. Could it happen, absolutely, but I don't think any AD's or conference commissioners were sitting on top of their phones waiting for UCF to win to begin expansion discussions.

The Florida twins aren't a bad add for the B12 but everything they've done points to OU and UT wanting all their options, including an easy exit, open to them when it comes time to start talking about contract reup in a few years and expansion would make that a lot harder

(01-02-2018 11:34 AM)10thMountain Wrote:  The Florida twins aren't a bad add for the B12 but everything they've done points to OU and UT wanting all their options, including an easy exit, open to them when it comes time to start talking about contract reup in a few years and expansion would make that a lot harder

Yea, if the twins wind up in the Big 12 it'll be after that conference gets the Big East Football treatment heading into the next round of tv negotiations. The Big 12 losing 3 and then adding 5 (the twins, Cincy, Temple, and Houston?) to get to 12 is entirely feasible. UCF to the Big 12 for the 2021 season is never happening.

The rumblings were from prior to the peach bowl...... and the were simply from Gator boosters. Nothing official or anything, just an unsubstantiated rumor. We shall see over the next year or so if it has legs or not.

One of the most bleak things I read about UCF came via Reddit, and a lament about how UCF would lose any coach it had because of the current playoff set-up. That you can play for the sixth best conference, win it without blemish, and see yourself even barely within the NY6 equation because...the power structure doesn't want you in it. Who wants to stay in that structure? How do you recruit kids to play at a place that, no matter how **** good you are, you don't have a shot at the championship?

This really hit me in a bad way at a bad time...and the commentary was spot on. This is what has become of D-1 college football. And it's not worthy of my eyes anymore. Others can enjoy these 4-5 hour amateurish scraps. My tastes have refined a bit.

Either expand the playoff, or expand the power structure. As is, no. I'm done. I'm simply tired of this "system." It sucks.

(01-02-2018 12:42 PM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  One of the most bleak things I read about UCF came via Reddit, and a lament about how UCF would lose any coach it had because of the current playoff set-up. That you can play for the sixth best conference, win it without blemish, and see yourself even barely within the NY6 equation because...the power structure doesn't want you in it. Who wants to stay in that structure? How do you recruit kids to play at a place that, no matter how **** good you are, you don't have a shot at the championship?

This really hit me in a bad way at a bad time...and the commentary was spot on. This is what has become of D-1 college football. And it's not worthy of my eyes anymore. Others can enjoy these 4-5 hour amateurish scraps. My tastes have refined a bit.

Either expand the playoff, or expand the power structure. As is, no. I'm done. I'm simply tired of this "system." It sucks.

Nobody should really be surprised by this - the CFP contract was the long-rumored split between the P5 and the rest of college football. They keep the G5 around so that the lower-tier P5 schools can bank some OOC wins and chase bowl eligibility and give them a consolation exhibition game as a fig leaf, but the conference groups are playing two different games. G5 football is a losing proposition if you're trying to compete in a meaningful way.

(01-02-2018 08:47 AM)tcufrog86 Wrote:  TCU probably called UCF just to say hey we know what it is like to go undefeated and not get a shot at a title. Signed 13-0 2010 TCU Horned Frogs.

Call probably continued to say we know what it is like to get shafted by the CFP signed 12-1 2014 TCU Horned Frogs who completely embarrassed Ole Miss and their "landsharks" 42-3 in the Peach Bowl.

Some polls had TCU as co-champs in 2010. There are some polls that have been legit for a long time that ESPN do not used on their site have different schools as National champs. The year that Alabama faced LSU in the National Championship had several polls crowned both of those teams and Oklahoma State as co-champs. It seems some polls are going give UCF the champs over Alabama and Georgia.

(01-02-2018 01:14 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(01-02-2018 08:47 AM)tcufrog86 Wrote:  TCU probably called UCF just to say hey we know what it is like to go undefeated and not get a shot at a title. Signed 13-0 2010 TCU Horned Frogs.

Call probably continued to say we know what it is like to get shafted by the CFP signed 12-1 2014 TCU Horned Frogs who completely embarrassed Ole Miss and their "landsharks" 42-3 in the Peach Bowl.

Some polls had TCU as co-champs in 2010. There are some polls that have been legit for a long time that ESPN do not used on their site have different schools as National champs. The year that Alabama faced LSU in the National Championship had several polls crowned both of those teams and Oklahoma State as co-champs. It seems some polls are going give UCF the champs over Alabama and Georgia.

According to who?

Ala will win the invitational after a power house schedule year with OCC of worse FSU in years, Mercer, Fresno, and Colorado St. add to that a quality loss to Au, and wins over Tenn and Vandy. They are a joke and are too blind to see it.

(01-02-2018 01:22 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(01-02-2018 01:14 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(01-02-2018 08:47 AM)tcufrog86 Wrote:  TCU probably called UCF just to say hey we know what it is like to go undefeated and not get a shot at a title. Signed 13-0 2010 TCU Horned Frogs.

Call probably continued to say we know what it is like to get shafted by the CFP signed 12-1 2014 TCU Horned Frogs who completely embarrassed Ole Miss and their "landsharks" 42-3 in the Peach Bowl.

Some polls had TCU as co-champs in 2010. There are some polls that have been legit for a long time that ESPN do not used on their site have different schools as National champs. The year that Alabama faced LSU in the National Championship had several polls crowned both of those teams and Oklahoma State as co-champs. It seems some polls are going give UCF the champs over Alabama and Georgia.

According to who?

http://www.andersonsports.com/football/acf_frnk.html

If we look at this poll, it is done by computer. Before the bowls, the top 1o are this:
1.Clemson lost
2.Georgia won
3.UCF won
4.Wisconsin won
5.oklahoma lost
6.Ohio State won
7.Alabama won
8.USC lost
9.Penn. State
10.Notre Dame won

UCF shows by computer had the tougher schedule than Alabama since Alabama beat only 2 top 20 teams when UCF beat three. This was one of the same polls that had Oklahoma State and TCU as number 1. The problem with the SEC is that they schedule weak patsies from the FCS which have a lower SoS which hurts them. Auburn was exposed by how overrated Auburn was, and the whole SEC is.

http://cfrc.com/ranking/billingsley-report-72/

This site shows all the FBS schools. UCF is number 3. The biggest mover is appalachian State from 66 to 30.

http://www.collegefootballpoll.com/rankings/

http://www.colleyrankings.com/currank.html

https://www.masseyratings.com/cf/fbs/ratings

https://www.usatoday.com/sports/ncaaf/sagarin/

Dunkel have not updated yet.

Congrove Computer Rankings had TCU as co-champs in 2010.
2011 A&H and CCR had LSU as co-champ and Colley Matrix had Oklahoma State as co-champs with Alabama.

"Big" "12"

(01-02-2018 12:42 PM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  One of the most bleak things I read about UCF came via Reddit, and a lament about how UCF would lose any coach it had because of the current playoff set-up. That you can play for the sixth best conference, win it without blemish, and see yourself even barely within the NY6 equation because...the power structure doesn't want you in it. Who wants to stay in that structure? How do you recruit kids to play at a place that, no matter how **** good you are, you don't have a shot at the championship?

This really hit me in a bad way at a bad time...and the commentary was spot on. This is what has become of D-1 college football. And it's not worthy of my eyes anymore. Others can enjoy these 4-5 hour amateurish scraps. My tastes have refined a bit.

Either expand the playoff, or expand the power structure. As is, no. I'm done. I'm simply tired of this "system." It sucks.

This was my point when Louisville was in CUSA begging to joining The Big East, in The Big East begging to join The Big 12 and remains my point with Louisville safely in The ACC.

Create an equitable system that makes it possible for every conference champion to play for a national title or shut it down and we know that ain't happening.

"Everyone" and by everyone I mean marketing, said well at least the all the P5 had a shot every year. That hasn't even happened. The Big 12 hasn't won a play-off game and has been left out all together 2 of the 4 years the CFP has been in place. The PAC hasn't done much better. They have only made two play-offs and has only won 1 game.

My point is, if The Big 12, PAC, and this year The Big Ten, can't make the make the CFP, what real chance does The American or MWC have?

The system needs to change.
CJ

Alabama has scheduled good(not great) group of 5 opponents, Fresno State, Colorado State this year. Those games have been usually week 2 or 3 before conference play begins. The problem with the Mercer or whichever FCS team they play before Auburn is other schools aren't going to play a money game late in the year while potential opponents are playing their conference games.

(01-02-2018 01:22 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(01-02-2018 01:14 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(01-02-2018 08:47 AM)tcufrog86 Wrote:  TCU probably called UCF just to say hey we know what it is like to go undefeated and not get a shot at a title. Signed 13-0 2010 TCU Horned Frogs.

Call probably continued to say we know what it is like to get shafted by the CFP signed 12-1 2014 TCU Horned Frogs who completely embarrassed Ole Miss and their "landsharks" 42-3 in the Peach Bowl.

Some polls had TCU as co-champs in 2010. There are some polls that have been legit for a long time that ESPN do not used on their site have different schools as National champs. The year that Alabama faced LSU in the National Championship had several polls crowned both of those teams and Oklahoma State as co-champs. It seems some polls are going give UCF the champs over Alabama and Georgia.

According to who?

The DavidSt poll
The AAC CSNBBS Poll
The Great Northern Conference Poll

(01-02-2018 02:14 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(01-02-2018 01:22 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(01-02-2018 01:14 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(01-02-2018 08:47 AM)tcufrog86 Wrote:  TCU probably called UCF just to say hey we know what it is like to go undefeated and not get a shot at a title. Signed 13-0 2010 TCU Horned Frogs.

Call probably continued to say we know what it is like to get shafted by the CFP signed 12-1 2014 TCU Horned Frogs who completely embarrassed Ole Miss and their "landsharks" 42-3 in the Peach Bowl.

Some polls had TCU as co-champs in 2010. There are some polls that have been legit for a long time that ESPN do not used on their site have different schools as National champs. The year that Alabama faced LSU in the National Championship had several polls crowned both of those teams and Oklahoma State as co-champs. It seems some polls are going give UCF the champs over Alabama and Georgia.

According to who?

The DavidSt poll
The AAC CSNBBS Poll
The Great Northern Conference Poll

You laugh but that is what got us to where we are. Pac/big10 tie in with the rose, SEC with the Sugar, Southern teams being pissed for getting voted too low due to northern media market bias, academic qualification differences, huge money differences. Football has always been a mythical ranking mess. The whole money grab ESPN monopoly has made it worse while at the same time pumping out the propaganda that the "playoff" decides the true champion. I really enjoy watching the system burn. What a farce. They should have just left it alone.

(01-02-2018 10:59 AM)otown Wrote:  

(01-02-2018 09:10 AM)BadgerMJ Wrote:  

(01-02-2018 08:43 AM)otown Wrote:  

(01-02-2018 08:40 AM)BadgerMJ Wrote:  Let's pump the brakes a bit.

Before anointing them as the next best thing since sliced bread, how about having them prove something beyond 1 year?

Let's not forget that the team you're pounding your chests over are just 2 years from being 0-12, so let's just settle down.....

I think you should look at the years beyond the 0-12 season. They have been quite good, have many conference championships, and now have two BCS/NY6 bowl wins in the last 5 years. There are not even that many P5 schools that can hang their hat on that accomplishment.

Sorry, good teams don't pull a Cleveland Browns for a season.

Down years, sure, but scoring a zero takes work. Even bad teams like Kansas and Illinois managed to win at least one game.

Its called a coach who quit on the team and didn't want to be there. They went to a bowl the following year with pretty much the same talent once they replaced the coaching staff.

Which is exactly what they'll be doing again this year. Maybe it's a testament to Scott Frost's ability more so than being them next big thing.

Let's see how the Heupel regime does before carving them into the Mt. Rushmore of football programs.....