Next year, I'm telling Wood Selig to schedule 3 Top 100 RPI teams in the non-conference, and then fill the rest of the schedule with the rivals of our conference mates: Trevecca Nazarene, Mid-Atlantic Christian, Eureka College, and maybe even a Berea College for good measure. Our RPI should be good then, right?

I know how RPI works. And it is stupid. A game against a D1 team, even a bad one, should not hurt you more than a game against a D2 team. That's just dumb. And, those types of faults in the system is part of the reason the NCAA is moving away from the RPI as an indicator of how good a team is.

To an earlier question, yes we need to do something different. We have too many issues that can't be fixed with just scheduling alone. Better this year but still too many teams that can barely get by against a DII team and pretty much struggles no matter what D-1 school they are playing including those SWAC/MEAC type schools. It does our league little good to have teams losing to teams that will finish the season with a 6-23 record in a league that will only win 35% of it's non-conference games. It's definitely been better this year than last. At this point last year we had eight teams with an RPI of 300 or worse.

Even if we win the games we should scheduling has become increasingly difficult. Power conferences are essentially refusing to play on the road anymore. The one or two times they will do it a season will be to play another power program that will look good to the committee. So, we're basically relegating ourselves to trying to find decent mid major opposition or go on the road. Take MT for example. Eight games away from home including five true road games and only three home games.

Another problem with the schedule is we also have to balance budgets in a league that has been hemorrhaging revenue. Most of us don't play in the northeast where there is a university that plays D-1 basketball at every street corner that allows for selective scheduling. I bet I can count on one hand the number of D-1 basketball programs within 200 miles of MT that have finished top 100 in basketball just once in the past five years.

At the end of the day there is only one thing that matters more than anything else. Something that wkuyg and I have been trying to explain numerous times and that is schedule (as best you can) according to your team's abilities. The bottom of the league needs to schedule as many winnable games as possible. The better teams in the league can schedule the tougher opposition. That's about the only variable in the non-conference that will work. Reworking the league schedule as well as how we decide our post season could be prove fruitful as well.

(01-03-2018 08:47 AM)ODUCoach Wrote:  Next year, I'm telling Wood Selig to schedule 3 Top 100 RPI teams in the non-conference, and then fill the rest of the schedule with the rivals of our conference mates: Trevecca Nazarene, Mid-Atlantic Christian, Eureka College, and maybe even a Berea College for good measure. Our RPI should be good then, right?

I know how RPI works. And it is stupid. A game against a D1 team, even a bad one, should not hurt you more than a game against a D2 team. That's just dumb. And, those types of faults in the system is part of the reason the NCAA is moving away from the RPI as an indicator of how good a team is.

How can a game hurt you that doesn't count? That is what is stupid.

The only thing that a D2 game costs you is a chance at a win. But if you are losing games against Miss Valley St, Harford, Rio Grand Valley, Stetson, etc. that damn sure hurts you a lot more than playing a D2 school.

(01-03-2018 08:29 AM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  

(01-03-2018 07:04 AM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  

(01-02-2018 10:36 PM)odu09 Wrote:  

(01-02-2018 12:16 PM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  ODU fans can't go five minutes without bringing this up.

I don't understand how this keeps happening.

Simple explanation: it's just so much fun to type "Trevecca Nazarene".

That, and the juvenile pleasure of knowing that we've once again caused TibL to hyperventilate somewhere in Empty Sue land. It never gets old.

It's just hard to fathom a fan base that is so "gifted" but at the end of the day really doesn't understand the RPI.

You guys think if you just play Kansas and UNC every game and lose them all that you will magically have a top 50 RPI. Y'all are like the guy at work who thinks he knows everything and is the first one to chime in on every subject but somehow pulls the conversation back over and over again to the only thing he thinks he knows -- only the joke is on him and he doesn't even know it.

It's a fun analogy, but it's a tad off. And I'm sure MTSU is very smart for gaming the system and trying to rig their RPI as best as possible, the problem is they still need to get past the selection committee, who will then find another metric besides the RPI to get MTSU and other mid majors out. It's nothing personal, it's the way it is for all of us. You can defend your scheduling all you want, but the moment you think you have it figured out, they will change how they select teams. They've already said RPI is flawed so they have already begun.

(01-02-2018 06:21 PM)HerdZoned Wrote:  

(01-02-2018 04:07 PM)wh49er Wrote:  #firejudyrose

#keepjudyroseforeverandeveramen

Someone sometime had to do it.....

Ray Watts is that you?

(01-03-2018 08:53 AM)odu09 Wrote:  

(01-03-2018 08:29 AM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  

(01-03-2018 07:04 AM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  

(01-02-2018 10:36 PM)odu09 Wrote:  

(01-02-2018 12:16 PM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  ODU fans can't go five minutes without bringing this up.

I don't understand how this keeps happening.

Simple explanation: it's just so much fun to type "Trevecca Nazarene".

That, and the juvenile pleasure of knowing that we've once again caused TibL to hyperventilate somewhere in Empty Sue land. It never gets old.

It's just hard to fathom a fan base that is so "gifted" but at the end of the day really doesn't understand the RPI.

You guys think if you just play Kansas and UNC every game and lose them all that you will magically have a top 50 RPI. Y'all are like the guy at work who thinks he knows everything and is the first one to chime in on every subject but somehow pulls the conversation back over and over again to the only thing he thinks he knows -- only the joke is on him and he doesn't even know it.

It's a fun analogy, but it's a tad off. And I'm sure MTSU is very smart for gaming the system and trying to rig their RPI as best as possible, the problem is they still need to get past the selection committee, who will then find another metric besides the RPI to get MTSU and other mid majors out. It's nothing personal, it's the way it is for all of us. You can defend your scheduling all you want, but the moment you think you have it figured out, they will change how they select teams. They've already said RPI is flawed so they have already begun.

We know that they will not be relying on RPI as much this coming March and will instead utilize more of the "advanced metrics." Anytime you look at those advanced rankings like Kenpom or BPI, they all favor power conferences.

So, what's the point of even posting the RPI numbers or debating it anymore? Everything you said is true (except for MT gaming the system - we schedule and beat teams that win a lot of games which is how you build a resume).

RPI is now nothing more than a tool for fans to argue with other fans. Let's just wrap this up right now. No one in C-USA is getting an at large bid this year. And nothing else matters except who wins the conference tournament (which I hate) but that's how we decide how our one team is going to go. Therefore, we can forego any further threads or discussion about RPI for the rest of the year. Cheers.

(01-03-2018 08:52 AM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  

(01-03-2018 08:47 AM)ODUCoach Wrote:  Next year, I'm telling Wood Selig to schedule 3 Top 100 RPI teams in the non-conference, and then fill the rest of the schedule with the rivals of our conference mates: Trevecca Nazarene, Mid-Atlantic Christian, Eureka College, and maybe even a Berea College for good measure. Our RPI should be good then, right?

I know how RPI works. And it is stupid. A game against a D1 team, even a bad one, should not hurt you more than a game against a D2 team. That's just dumb. And, those types of faults in the system is part of the reason the NCAA is moving away from the RPI as an indicator of how good a team is.

How can a game hurt you that doesn't count? That is what is stupid.

The only thing that a D2 game costs you is a chance at a win. But if you are losing games against Miss Valley St, Harford, Rio Grand Valley, Stetson, etc. that damn sure hurts you a lot more than playing a D2 school.

If you are losing those games, you should become a D2 school because you have nothing good to offer the conference.

(01-03-2018 08:29 AM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  

(01-03-2018 07:04 AM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  

(01-02-2018 10:36 PM)odu09 Wrote:  

(01-02-2018 12:16 PM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  ODU fans can't go five minutes without bringing this up.

I don't understand how this keeps happening.

Simple explanation: it's just so much fun to type "Trevecca Nazarene".

That, and the juvenile pleasure of knowing that we've once again caused TibL to hyperventilate somewhere in Empty Sue land. It never gets old.

It's just hard to fathom a fan base that is so "gifted" but at the end of the day really doesn't understand the RPI.

You guys think if you just play Kansas and UNC every game and lose them all that you will magically have a top 50 RPI. Y'all are like the guy at work who thinks he knows everything and is the first one to chime in on every subject but somehow pulls the conversation back over and over again to the only thing he thinks he knows -- only the joke is on him and he doesn't even know it.

Uh huh.

http://csnbbs.com/thread-834820-post-148...id14887889

(01-03-2018 09:10 AM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  

(01-03-2018 08:53 AM)odu09 Wrote:  

(01-03-2018 08:29 AM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  

(01-03-2018 07:04 AM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  

(01-02-2018 10:36 PM)odu09 Wrote:  I don't understand how this keeps happening.

Simple explanation: it's just so much fun to type "Trevecca Nazarene".

That, and the juvenile pleasure of knowing that we've once again caused TibL to hyperventilate somewhere in Empty Sue land. It never gets old.

It's just hard to fathom a fan base that is so "gifted" but at the end of the day really doesn't understand the RPI.

You guys think if you just play Kansas and UNC every game and lose them all that you will magically have a top 50 RPI. Y'all are like the guy at work who thinks he knows everything and is the first one to chime in on every subject but somehow pulls the conversation back over and over again to the only thing he thinks he knows -- only the joke is on him and he doesn't even know it.

It's a fun analogy, but it's a tad off. And I'm sure MTSU is very smart for gaming the system and trying to rig their RPI as best as possible, the problem is they still need to get past the selection committee, who will then find another metric besides the RPI to get MTSU and other mid majors out. It's nothing personal, it's the way it is for all of us. You can defend your scheduling all you want, but the moment you think you have it figured out, they will change how they select teams. They've already said RPI is flawed so they have already begun.

We know that they will not be relying on RPI as much this coming March and will instead utilize more of the "advanced metrics." Anytime you look at those advanced rankings like Kenpom or BPI, they all favor power conferences.

So, what's the point of even posting the RPI numbers or debating it anymore? Everything you said is true (except for MT gaming the system - we schedule and beat teams that win a lot of games which is how you build a resume).

RPI is now nothing more than a tool for fans to argue with other fans. Let's just wrap this up right now. No one in C-USA is getting an at large bid this year. And nothing else matters except who wins the conference tournament (which I hate) but that's how we decide how our one team is going to go. Therefore, we can forego any further threads or discussion about RPI for the rest of the year. Cheers.

Nothing would please me more than to quit the RPI talk. It's boring, not interesting, some seem to still not understand it and I don't blame them, and it doesn't even matter. I am pleased to see another poster said the conference will have the top 8 teams playing each other in 2 years, that's a move in the right direction. I didn't realize they made that decision. I am still hopeful that we could improve further if we can partner with another mid major conference to have our top 4 or 5 teams play each other every year at a locked in week so the logistics aren't painful. This was done before with ESPN bracketbusters, but I am not sure why they stopped. Anyone know?

(01-03-2018 10:21 AM)odu09 Wrote:  

(01-03-2018 09:10 AM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  

(01-03-2018 08:53 AM)odu09 Wrote:  

(01-03-2018 08:29 AM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  

(01-03-2018 07:04 AM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  Simple explanation: it's just so much fun to type "Trevecca Nazarene".

That, and the juvenile pleasure of knowing that we've once again caused TibL to hyperventilate somewhere in Empty Sue land. It never gets old.

It's just hard to fathom a fan base that is so "gifted" but at the end of the day really doesn't understand the RPI.

You guys think if you just play Kansas and UNC every game and lose them all that you will magically have a top 50 RPI. Y'all are like the guy at work who thinks he knows everything and is the first one to chime in on every subject but somehow pulls the conversation back over and over again to the only thing he thinks he knows -- only the joke is on him and he doesn't even know it.

It's a fun analogy, but it's a tad off. And I'm sure MTSU is very smart for gaming the system and trying to rig their RPI as best as possible, the problem is they still need to get past the selection committee, who will then find another metric besides the RPI to get MTSU and other mid majors out. It's nothing personal, it's the way it is for all of us. You can defend your scheduling all you want, but the moment you think you have it figured out, they will change how they select teams. They've already said RPI is flawed so they have already begun.

We know that they will not be relying on RPI as much this coming March and will instead utilize more of the "advanced metrics." Anytime you look at those advanced rankings like Kenpom or BPI, they all favor power conferences.

So, what's the point of even posting the RPI numbers or debating it anymore? Everything you said is true (except for MT gaming the system - we schedule and beat teams that win a lot of games which is how you build a resume).

RPI is now nothing more than a tool for fans to argue with other fans. Let's just wrap this up right now. No one in C-USA is getting an at large bid this year. And nothing else matters except who wins the conference tournament (which I hate) but that's how we decide how our one team is going to go. Therefore, we can forego any further threads or discussion about RPI for the rest of the year. Cheers.

Nothing would please me more than to quit the RPI talk. It's boring, not interesting, some seem to still not understand it and I don't blame them, and it doesn't even matter. I am pleased to see another poster said the conference will have the top 8 teams playing each other in 2 years, that's a move in the right direction. I didn't realize they made that decision. I am still hopeful that we could improve further if we can partner with another mid major conference to have our top 4 or 5 teams play each other every year at a locked in week so the logistics aren't painful. This was done before with ESPN bracketbusters, but I am not sure why they stopped. Anyone know?

I'd think a matchup with a conference like the MVC or CAA would be beneficial for both sides. A-10 and American wouldn't be interested.

(01-03-2018 10:13 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(01-03-2018 08:29 AM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  

(01-03-2018 07:04 AM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  

(01-02-2018 10:36 PM)odu09 Wrote:  

(01-02-2018 12:16 PM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  ODU fans can't go five minutes without bringing this up.

I don't understand how this keeps happening.

Simple explanation: it's just so much fun to type "Trevecca Nazarene".

That, and the juvenile pleasure of knowing that we've once again caused TibL to hyperventilate somewhere in Empty Sue land. It never gets old.

It's just hard to fathom a fan base that is so "gifted" but at the end of the day really doesn't understand the RPI.

You guys think if you just play Kansas and UNC every game and lose them all that you will magically have a top 50 RPI. Y'all are like the guy at work who thinks he knows everything and is the first one to chime in on every subject but somehow pulls the conversation back over and over again to the only thing he thinks he knows -- only the joke is on him and he doesn't even know it.

Uh huh.

http://csnbbs.com/thread-834820-post-148...id14887889

That's not how RPI is calculated.

(01-03-2018 11:07 AM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  

(01-03-2018 10:13 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(01-03-2018 08:29 AM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  

(01-03-2018 07:04 AM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  

(01-02-2018 10:36 PM)odu09 Wrote:  I don't understand how this keeps happening.

Simple explanation: it's just so much fun to type "Trevecca Nazarene".

That, and the juvenile pleasure of knowing that we've once again caused TibL to hyperventilate somewhere in Empty Sue land. It never gets old.

It's just hard to fathom a fan base that is so "gifted" but at the end of the day really doesn't understand the RPI.

You guys think if you just play Kansas and UNC every game and lose them all that you will magically have a top 50 RPI. Y'all are like the guy at work who thinks he knows everything and is the first one to chime in on every subject but somehow pulls the conversation back over and over again to the only thing he thinks he knows -- only the joke is on him and he doesn't even know it.

Uh huh.

http://csnbbs.com/thread-834820-post-148...id14887889

That's not how RPI is calculated.

Everybody point and laugh at TIBL for his hypocrisy.

Now that that's over with. Please tell us how 15 games won on the road equals 21 wins but 15 games lost on the road equals 9 losses. Every time I multiply 15 by 1.4 I come up with 21

(01-03-2018 12:45 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(01-03-2018 11:07 AM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  

(01-03-2018 10:13 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(01-03-2018 08:29 AM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  

(01-03-2018 07:04 AM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  Simple explanation: it's just so much fun to type "Trevecca Nazarene".

That, and the juvenile pleasure of knowing that we've once again caused TibL to hyperventilate somewhere in Empty Sue land. It never gets old.

It's just hard to fathom a fan base that is so "gifted" but at the end of the day really doesn't understand the RPI.

You guys think if you just play Kansas and UNC every game and lose them all that you will magically have a top 50 RPI. Y'all are like the guy at work who thinks he knows everything and is the first one to chime in on every subject but somehow pulls the conversation back over and over again to the only thing he thinks he knows -- only the joke is on him and he doesn't even know it.

Uh huh.

http://csnbbs.com/thread-834820-post-148...id14887889

That's not how RPI is calculated.

Everybody point and laugh at TIBL for his hypocrisy.

Now that that's over with. Please tell us how 15 games won on the road equals 21 wins but 15 games lost on the road equals 9 losses. Every time I multiply 15 by 1.4 I come up with 21

Because a road win = 1.4. A road loss = 0.6. You don't get 1.4 wins just because you played a damn road game. You actually have to win it to get the 1.4. If you don't the multiplier is 0.6.

Teams are rewarded for winning on the road, because it is harder and are not penalized as much for losing on the road.

When this actually sinks in please fill free to chime back in. Otherwise, STFU with your condescending (and also inaccurate) responses.

Pretty sure they don't have to shut up. You can just block them if you don't wanna read it

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(01-03-2018 12:54 PM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  

(01-03-2018 12:45 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(01-03-2018 11:07 AM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  

(01-03-2018 10:13 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(01-03-2018 08:29 AM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  It's just hard to fathom a fan base that is so "gifted" but at the end of the day really doesn't understand the RPI.

You guys think if you just play Kansas and UNC every game and lose them all that you will magically have a top 50 RPI. Y'all are like the guy at work who thinks he knows everything and is the first one to chime in on every subject but somehow pulls the conversation back over and over again to the only thing he thinks he knows -- only the joke is on him and he doesn't even know it.

Uh huh.

http://csnbbs.com/thread-834820-post-148...id14887889

That's not how RPI is calculated.

Everybody point and laugh at TIBL for his hypocrisy.

Now that that's over with. Please tell us how 15 games won on the road equals 21 wins but 15 games lost on the road equals 9 losses. Every time I multiply 15 by 1.4 I come up with 21

Because a road win = 1.4. A road loss = 0.6. You don't get 1.4 wins just because you played a damn road game. You actually have to win it to get the 1.4. If you don't the multiplier is 0.6.

Teams are rewarded for winning on the road, because it is harder and are not penalized as much for losing on the road.

When this actually sinks in please fill free to chime back in. Otherwise, STFU with your condescending (and also inaccurate) responses.

Ouch! That had to hurt.

(01-03-2018 12:54 PM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  

(01-03-2018 12:45 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(01-03-2018 11:07 AM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  

(01-03-2018 10:13 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(01-03-2018 08:29 AM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  It's just hard to fathom a fan base that is so "gifted" but at the end of the day really doesn't understand the RPI.

You guys think if you just play Kansas and UNC every game and lose them all that you will magically have a top 50 RPI. Y'all are like the guy at work who thinks he knows everything and is the first one to chime in on every subject but somehow pulls the conversation back over and over again to the only thing he thinks he knows -- only the joke is on him and he doesn't even know it.

Uh huh.

http://csnbbs.com/thread-834820-post-148...id14887889

That's not how RPI is calculated.

Everybody point and laugh at TIBL for his hypocrisy.

Now that that's over with. Please tell us how 15 games won on the road equals 21 wins but 15 games lost on the road equals 9 losses. Every time I multiply 15 by 1.4 I come up with 21

Because a road win = 1.4. A road loss = 0.6. You don't get 1.4 wins just because you played a damn road game. You actually have to win it to get the 1.4. If you don't the multiplier is 0.6.

Teams are rewarded for winning on the road, because it is harder and are not penalized as much for losing on the road.

When this actually sinks in please fill free to chime back in. Otherwise, STFU with your condescending (and also inaccurate) responses.

Ah yep, my bad.

Can we all at least agree that playing non-NCAA teams should stop? D2 is bad enough, though understandable in certain circumstances. But NAIA, or even worse, NCCAA and USCAA? That's just awful. And it's not a CUSA-exclusive problem; there's no reason for any D1 program, even the very lowest of the low, to be playing Toccoa Falls or Mid-Atlantic Christian or Florida National.

(01-03-2018 03:00 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  Can we all at least agree that ]playing non-NCAA teams should stop? D2 is bad enough, though understandable in certain circumstances. But NAIA, or even worse, NCCAA and USCAA? That's just awful. And it's not a CUSA-exclusive problem; there's no reason for any D1 program, even the very lowest of the low, to be playing Toccoa Falls or Mid-Atlantic Christian or Florida National.

Absolutely agree!