Thought this chart was cool. Ranks all conferences per KenPom, then ranks all teams within each conference per KenPom.

It’s color-coded to show who’s a horse, who’s an anchor, and who’s solidly MOR.

Average at the bottom is the league’s mean KP ranking, and which team corresponds to that number.

Gotta click on it to zoom in:

Nice find...should become more relevant over the next 2-3 weeks.

Great find! the XII, SEC, and B1G seem to be the strongest top-to-bottom. The BE and ACC have higher averages than the SEC and B1G, respectively, but seem to have some anchors weighing them down.

For the BE, DePaul is not a shocker at the bottom and Georgetown isn't either as of lately. It's surprising that Georgetown's "ranking" (#96) as conference #9 is 31 spots below conference #8 (Providence - #65). For the ACC, Georgia Tech (#130) and Pittsburgh (#162) bring the average down pretty low.

I would consider the AAC a demi-power in basketball. The dead-weight in the conference is killing them, South Florida (#282) and East Carolina (#302). I'm surprised the MWC has 5 top 70 schools because recent history has not been good for the conference. The WCC is Gonzaga, Saint Mary's,...BYU...then everyone else as usual. The MVC seems to be doing okay absent Wichita St. They still seem like a 1-big league this season.

I always expect the A10 and CUSA to be better than they end up being. Am I crazy?

Conferences in the top 100:

XII: 10 - (all)
BE: 9 - (all except DePaul)
SEC: 14 - (all)
ACC: 13 - (all except Georgia Tech and Pittsburgh)
B1G: 14 - (all)
PAC: 6 - Arizona, Arizona St, USC, Oregon, UCLA, Utah
AAC: 6 - Wichita St, Cincinnati, SMU, Houston, Temple, Central Florida
MVC: 3 - Missouri St, Northern Iowa, Loyola - Chicago
MWC: 5 - Nevada, San Diego St, Boise St, UNLV, Fresno St
A10: 4 - Rhode Island, St. Bonaventure, Davidson, VCU
WCC: 3 - Gonzaga, Saint Mary's, BYU
SBC: 1 - UT Arlington
CUSA: 3 - Middle Tennessee St, Old Dominion, Western Kentucky
SOCON: 2 - East Tennessee St, Mercer
WAC: 1 - New Mexico St
AE: 1 - Vermont
HORIZON: 1 - Northern Kentucky
PATRIOT: 1 - Bucknell

Okie state is in the Big East?

(12-26-2017 09:26 PM)gosports1 Wrote:  Okie state is in the Big East?

I think it's taking the average Kenpom ranking of the conference members and tying it to a comparable team. Like saying "If there was a perfect middle-of-the-road team in the Big East, it'd be Oklahoma State." They didn't do a very good job of clarifying.

I do wonder how much the SEC's recent success on the court is due to having a fawning ESPN giving them a recruiting advantage, though. Maybe it's a population thing? Either way, it's weird to see.

This chart kind of vindicates the C7's concerns about bringing in Southern, football-focused schools watering down the Big East.

(12-29-2017 03:47 PM)Mav Wrote:  

(12-26-2017 09:26 PM)gosports1 Wrote:  Okie state is in the Big East?

I think it's taking the average Kenpom ranking of the conference members and tying it to a comparable team. Like saying "If there was a perfect middle-of-the-road team in the Big East, it'd be Oklahoma State." They didn't do a very good job of clarifying.

I do wonder how much the SEC's recent success on the court is due to having a fawning ESPN giving them a recruiting advantage, though. Maybe it's a population thing? Either way, it's weird to see.

This chart kind of vindicates the C7's concerns about bringing in Southern, football-focused schools watering down the Big East.

The thing that's funny though is that the schools that were added- Houston, UCF, SMU- that had poor basketball at the time with the Big East move- have really picked it up with the additional exposure they've gotten in the AAC. Memphis is a strange one right now. The conference has gotten next to nothing from Memphis or Temple- and little from UConn after 2014- yet could easily get 4-5 bids this year.

(12-26-2017 03:22 PM)BePcr07 Wrote:  Great find! the XII, SEC, and B1G seem to be the strongest top-to-bottom. The BE and ACC have higher averages than the SEC and B1G, respectively, but seem to have some anchors weighing them down.

For the BE, DePaul is not a shocker at the bottom and Georgetown isn't either as of lately. It's surprising that Georgetown's "ranking" (#96) as conference #9 is 31 spots below conference #8 (Providence - #65). For the ACC, Georgia Tech (#130) and Pittsburgh (#162) bring the average down pretty low.

I would consider the AAC a demi-power in basketball. The dead-weight in the conference is killing them, South Florida (#282) and East Carolina (#302). I'm surprised the MWC has 5 top 70 schools because recent history has not been good for the conference. The WCC is Gonzaga, Saint Mary's,...BYU...then everyone else as usual. The MVC seems to be doing okay absent Wichita St. They still seem like a 1-big league this season.

I always expect the A10 and CUSA to be better than they end up being. Am I crazy?

Conferences in the top 100:

XII: 10 - (all)
BE: 9 - (all except DePaul)
SEC: 14 - (all)
ACC: 13 - (all except Georgia Tech and Pittsburgh)
B1G: 14 - (all)
PAC: 6 - Arizona, Arizona St, USC, Oregon, UCLA, Utah
AAC: 6 - Wichita St, Cincinnati, SMU, Houston, Temple, Central Florida
MVC: 3 - Missouri St, Northern Iowa, Loyola - Chicago
MWC: 5 - Nevada, San Diego St, Boise St, UNLV, Fresno St
A10: 4 - Rhode Island, St. Bonaventure, Davidson, VCU
WCC: 3 - Gonzaga, Saint Mary's, BYU
SBC: 1 - UT Arlington
CUSA: 3 - Middle Tennessee St, Old Dominion, Western Kentucky
SOCON: 2 - East Tennessee St, Mercer
WAC: 1 - New Mexico St
AE: 1 - Vermont
HORIZON: 1 - Northern Kentucky
PATRIOT: 1 - Bucknell

The A-10 is down this year but it had 6 teams in the top 100 last year and 7 the year before.

Top 50 is what counts. It looks to me like the AAC will get 3 bids (yes somebody will get snubbed), the WCC 2 (another possible snub), possibly 1 more mid-major (Nevada if they lose the MWC tourney). A10 is probably like MVC, a 1 bid conference.

Going to be another 4 team only year for P12. I suspect SEC gains 1 or 2 over last year at the expense of the B1G.

The A10 reminds me of the MWC when they lost teams. Didn't happen right away, but eventually the impact gets felt. Almost the exact same timing as well quite frankly.

(12-29-2017 04:13 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  Top 50 is what counts. It looks to me like the AAC will get 3 bids (yes somebody will get snubbed), the WCC 2 (another possible snub), possibly 1 more mid-major (Nevada if they lose the MWC tourney). A10 is probably like MVC, a 1 bid conference.

Going to be another 4 team only year for P12. I suspect SEC gains 1 or 2 over last year at the expense of the B1G.

I really don't see it. Wichita, Cincy, SMU, and Houston are all plodding along and should get in pretty easily.
Wichita projection right now 24-6 13.5 RPI 43 SOS
Cincy projection right now 25-6 22.6 RPI 80 SOS
SMU projection right now 23-8 30.8 RPI 66 SOS
Houston projection right now 22-8 36.4 RPI 77 SOS

It's more likely that the AAC gets 5 in(either Temple or UCF) than to get 3 in.

The thing is- you can't just blanket look at conferences. Conferences don't get teams in, teams get teams in. Big East had a GREAT OOC season this year, but teams in the 5-8 range are flawed big time. Providence may finish 5th but say with a 9-9 record. Add that to a 9-4 OOC season, and you have a 18-13 record with a RPI of 48. That's precarious to get in, especially if they lose 1st round of BET.

(12-29-2017 04:22 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(12-29-2017 04:13 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  Top 50 is what counts. It looks to me like the AAC will get 3 bids (yes somebody will get snubbed), the WCC 2 (another possible snub), possibly 1 more mid-major (Nevada if they lose the MWC tourney). A10 is probably like MVC, a 1 bid conference.

Going to be another 4 team only year for P12. I suspect SEC gains 1 or 2 over last year at the expense of the B1G.

I really don't see it. Wichita, Cincy, SMU, and Houston are all plodding along and should get in pretty easily.
Wichita projection right now 24-6 13.5 RPI 43 SOS
Cincy projection right now 25-6 22.6 RPI 80 SOS
SMU projection right now 23-8 30.8 RPI 66 SOS
Houston projection right now 22-8 36.4 RPI 77 SOS

It's more likely that the AAC gets 5 in(either Temple or UCF) than to get 3 in.

The thing is- you can't just blanket look at conferences. Conferences don't get teams in, teams get teams in. Big East had a GREAT OOC season this year, but teams in the 5-8 range are flawed big time. Providence may finish 5th but say with a 9-9 record. Add that to a 9-4 OOC season, and you have a 18-13 record with a RPI of 48. That's precarious to get in, especially if they lose 1st round of BET.

My thoughts exactly the BE will start cannibalizing each other, I expect 5 teams to make it. With Xavier and Villanova as the 2 locks and then conference play deciding the next 3 between everyone but DePaul.