(12-29-2017 11:57 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(12-29-2017 11:19 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(12-29-2017 09:06 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  Because it’s politically expedient for you not to trust him, and because the only leg it appears the Trump team can stand upon is to discredit Robert Mueller and law enforcement.

Politically expedient? How?

What you seem to be ignoring is that I don't like Trump. I disagree with him on his hot button issues--immigration and free trade. I did not vote for him because I disagreed with him on his key issues.

But the last year has made me more inclined to vote for him in 2020 just because I am so turned off by both democrats snd establishment republicans.

As for Mueller, he and Comey are both Washington insider bureaucrats. And that is the single class of people that I distrust more than any other in the world.

As for any leg the Trump team has to stand on, against what? So far, what factors have emerged to suggest that any of the wild story being spun by democrats is true. I mean, the whole story is simply unbelievable.

you cleaverly make a living off of steadfastly supporting Republicans while proclaiming independence. its been your schtick for years.

As for DJT, he is a proven, habitual liar. He lies when the truth would do. Hitch your wagon to him if you like, but a liar is a liar is a liar.

Not sure why you consider it unbeliveable for a longshot candidate without an ounce of moral fiber to accept help from a willing adversary. That adversary clearly orchastrated an organized campaign to impact the outcome of the election. They clearly had numerous meetings with the Trump team and there is clearly enough information to warrant a special counsel. This isn't a story being spun by Democrats because Democrats, as the minority party, could never have appointed a special counsel to investigate the allegations. Republicans acknowledged the alarming intelligence collected by the FBI, CIA and NSA and demanded an impartial investigation; and they appointed a fellow Republican to serve as special counsel.

Ok. Link up. Show us a link to something that says this

(12-29-2017 09:06 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(12-29-2017 07:56 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(12-29-2017 06:47 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(12-29-2017 06:35 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  Mensa, why was Strzok removed for Texans/emails when others with similar texts/emails were not. He was not the only one making such statements.

And no they don’t have to be apolitical, but when a number of them have known biases, and all in the same direction, does that not at least raise questions about the process. If there were a court trial involving Trump and those folks were in the jury pool, they would all get struck for cause. Should people who would be disqualified from a jury for bias be conducting such an investigation?

I have no idea, nor do you; but I trust Robert Mueller to do his job.

At this point, I don’t.

Quote:A team of investigators is not a jury pool. They're charged with determining if there is a case, not determining guilt or innocence.

That is true.

But when virtually every key member of the investigation team has expressed extremely biased opinions in recorded statements, that should give one pause to question the very real possibility of a witch hunt. What do you think Strzok meant by “insurance policy”?

Because it’s politically expedient for you not to trust him, and because the only leg it appears the Trump team can stand upon is to discredit Robert Mueller and law enforcement.

If you want to know about discrediting a special prosecutor, research what the Clinton legal team did to Ken Starr. There's a text book example for you.

(12-29-2017 11:57 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(12-29-2017 11:19 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(12-29-2017 09:06 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  Because it’s politically expedient for you not to trust him, and because the only leg it appears the Trump team can stand upon is to discredit Robert Mueller and law enforcement.

Politically expedient? How?

What you seem to be ignoring is that I don't like Trump. I disagree with him on his hot button issues--immigration and free trade. I did not vote for him because I disagreed with him on his key issues.

But the last year has made me more inclined to vote for him in 2020 just because I am so turned off by both democrats snd establishment republicans.

As for Mueller, he and Comey are both Washington insider bureaucrats. And that is the single class of people that I distrust more than any other in the world.

As for any leg the Trump team has to stand on, against what? So far, what factors have emerged to suggest that any of the wild story being spun by democrats is true. I mean, the whole story is simply unbelievable.

you cleaverly make a living off of steadfastly supporting Republicans while proclaiming independence. its been your schtick for years.

As for DJT, he is a proven, habitual liar. He lies when the truth would do. Hitch your wagon to him if you like, but a liar is a liar is a liar.

Not sure why you consider it unbeliveable for a longshot candidate without an ounce of moral fiber to accept help from a willing adversary. That adversary clearly orchastrated an organized campaign to impact the outcome of the election. They clearly had numerous meetings with the Trump team and there is clearly enough information to warrant a special counsel. This isn't a story being spun by Democrats because Democrats, as the minority party and not in the White House, could never have appointed a special counsel to investigate the allegations. Republicans acknowledged the alarming intelligence collected by the FBI, CIA and NSA and demanded an impartial investigation; and they appointed a fellow Republican to serve as special counsel.

Hillary was a longshot candidate? When was she ever a "longshot candidate"?

(12-29-2017 11:57 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(12-29-2017 11:19 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(12-29-2017 09:06 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  Because it’s politically expedient for you not to trust him, and because the only leg it appears the Trump team can stand upon is to discredit Robert Mueller and law enforcement.

Politically expedient? How?

What you seem to be ignoring is that I don't like Trump. I disagree with him on his hot button issues--immigration and free trade. I did not vote for him because I disagreed with him on his key issues.

But the last year has made me more inclined to vote for him in 2020 just because I am so turned off by both democrats snd establishment republicans.

As for Mueller, he and Comey are both Washington insider bureaucrats. And that is the single class of people that I distrust more than any other in the world.

As for any leg the Trump team has to stand on, against what? So far, what factors have emerged to suggest that any of the wild story being spun by democrats is true. I mean, the whole story is simply unbelievable.

you cleaverly make a living off of steadfastly supporting Republicans while proclaiming independence. its been your schtick for years.

As for DJT, he is a proven, habitual liar. He lies when the truth would do. Hitch your wagon to him if you like, but a liar is a liar is a liar.

Not sure why you consider it unbeliveable for a longshot candidate without an ounce of moral fiber to accept help from a willing adversary. That adversary clearly orchastrated an organized campaign to impact the outcome of the election. They clearly had numerous meetings with the Trump team and there is clearly enough information to warrant a special counsel. This isn't a story being spun by Democrats because Democrats, as the minority party and not in the White House, could never have appointed a special counsel to investigate the allegations. Republicans acknowledged the alarming intelligence collected by the FBI, CIA and NSA and demanded an impartial investigation; and they appointed a fellow Republican to serve as special counsel.

What meeting did they have with the Trump team?

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(12-29-2017 02:20 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  The Hill

Trump's criticism of the FBI is reportedly damaging morale among agents in the bureau, current and former FBI officials told The New York Times.

The agency's new director is also reportedly under pressure to remove people whom he perceives as loyal to former Director James Comey.


NY Times

But nearly five months since Mr. Wray started the job, Mr. Trump has not made Mr. Wray’s life easier as he seeks to restore the public’s confidence in the country’s premier law enforcement agency — one that the president says is in “Tatters.”

Mr. Trump’s verbal assaults have put Mr. Wray and his leadership team in a difficult position. Mr. Wray is trying to move past his predecessor’s era and make sure there is not a whiff of politics at the F.B.I. He has promised the F.B.I.’s work would be based on the “facts, the law and the impartial pursuit of justice — period.”


Yet Mr. Trump and his allies in Congress are making that task much harder.

Current and former F.B.I. officials say Mr. Trump’s criticisms, and those of normally supportive Republican members of Congress, have damaged morale in some quarters of the bureau. Senior agents have expressed fear that if their names appear in the news media, they will be singled out for attack by politicians.

FBI snowflakes.

Who’d a ever thunk it?



I’ve known some agents and cia spooks over the years, tough as nails and total professionals.

I’d rate this somewhere between a Columbia journalism school grad hit piece, and totally fake news.

Take your pick. Otherwise we’re screwed beyond recognition.

(12-29-2017 06:47 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(12-29-2017 06:35 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  Mensa, why was Strzok removed for Texans/emails when others with similar texts/emails were not. He was not the only one making such statements.

And no they don’t have to be apolitical, but when a number of them have known biases, and all in the same direction, does that not at least raise questions about the process. If there were a court trial involving Trump and those folks were in the jury pool, they would all get struck for cause. Should people who would be disqualified from a jury for bias be conducting such an investigation?

I have no idea, nor do you; but I trust Robert Mueller to do his job.

A team of investigators is not a jury pool. They're charged with determining if there is a case, not determining guilt or innocence.

Which is LITERALLY exactly what Comey did months in advance of even conducting pertinent interviews including the freaking SUBJECTS of the investigation itself.

Are you an insane person? Or just badly brainwashed, perhaps both?!?

(12-29-2017 10:32 PM)450bench Wrote:  

(12-29-2017 10:16 PM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  It's difficult for your morale to be negatively impacted by politicians and their political criticisms if you keep the politics out of your job as your instructed to.

^^^^a thread ender

This.

Shut it down.

And the witch hunt at the same time...

You think Louisville Basketball fans have great feelings this morning ? We will get over it !

From a CNN piece entitled "Trump is right about the FBI". Albeit it is really weird to see this at CNN....

Quote:While I rarely agree with much of what the President does or says regarding legal issues, this time he's got it right. The FBI's reputation has been severely damaged not by the President's criticism but by a systematic failure of the bureau's leadership.

The field agents of the FBI should still retain the trust of the American people. Their honor and dignity has not been compromised; but the bureau's leadership ranks require a prompt and thorough house cleaning by the new director, Christopher Wray. The bureau's leadership has forfeited the reputation of a cherished American institution.

CNN's counterpoint to Mensa's whine