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(12-29-2017 02:28 AM)Memphis Blazer Wrote:  

(12-29-2017 12:20 AM)BlazintheATL Wrote:  I don't buy the line the coach and and AD aren't happy. Perhaps they're not but they created this crap schedule, as others have pointed out.

Good job calling Attalla a liar.

I'm not saying they didn't say that. I'm saying they're the ones who created it so it's their own damn fault.

(12-29-2017 08:52 AM)blazers9911 Wrote:  

(12-29-2017 12:05 AM)The Answer UAB Wrote:  

(12-28-2017 10:59 PM)Blazer85 Wrote:  While I know others will disagree, I think for the right opponent it is reasonable to do a 2 for 1 or 3 for 1. Not for just any Power 5 school of course. But in most cases I think it is worth it because at our current standing, we aren't going to get many 1 for 1s regardless of whether we think we deserve it or not. What's more, I'd rather play a good Power 5 team on the road or neutral court than to play bad teams at home who do nothing but pull the RPI down and do nothing to challenge or prepare us for the conference schedule.

I completely agree. Many here have too high of an opinion of our current standing in the basketball world. We need to do what we have to ensure an appropriately challenging and higher ranked schedule.

I agree as well. Don’t agree for a 3 for 1 with Rutgers, but if a program like Tennessee offers a 2 for 1, take it.

Exactly. Games against Lemoyne Owen, New Orleans, Jacksonville, Alabama A&M, MSVU, Mississippi College, etc are embarrassing. Have a maximum of two of those kinds of home games on the schedule. Either hit the road to P5 teams/neutral sites or call every other decent mid-major school in the country to work out home and homes with them.

I'll gladly pay the same price for season tickets with two less home games if it meant we played more meaningful competition that would raise the profile of the program and better prepare us for conference play.

(12-30-2017 02:17 AM)hooverblazer Wrote:  

(12-29-2017 08:52 AM)blazers9911 Wrote:  

(12-29-2017 12:05 AM)The Answer UAB Wrote:  

(12-28-2017 10:59 PM)Blazer85 Wrote:  While I know others will disagree, I think for the right opponent it is reasonable to do a 2 for 1 or 3 for 1. Not for just any Power 5 school of course. But in most cases I think it is worth it because at our current standing, we aren't going to get many 1 for 1s regardless of whether we think we deserve it or not. What's more, I'd rather play a good Power 5 team on the road or neutral court than to play bad teams at home who do nothing but pull the RPI down and do nothing to challenge or prepare us for the conference schedule.

I completely agree. Many here have too high of an opinion of our current standing in the basketball world. We need to do what we have to ensure an appropriately challenging and higher ranked schedule.

I agree as well. Don’t agree for a 3 for 1 with Rutgers, but if a program like Tennessee offers a 2 for 1, take it.

Exactly. Games against Lemoyne Owen, New Orleans, Jacksonville, Alabama A&M, MSVU, Mississippi College, etc are embarrassing. Have a maximum of two of those kinds of home games on the schedule. Either hit the road to P5 teams/neutral sites or call every other decent mid-major school in the country to work out home and homes with them.

I'll gladly pay the same price for season tickets with two less home games if it meant we played more meaningful competition that would raise the profile of the program and better prepare us for conference play.

The problem is an economic one.
Scenario one:
Why would Mid Major team 1 who draws 7K or 8K at home agree to a home and home with UAB who is drawing around 3000 fans to a game when they can get a home and home with a P5 or have another home game in place of the road trip to UAB where only 3000 fans will be there. Why would they agree to play on the road in front of less fans than they can get at home?

Second Scenario
How can UAB afford the payout to a higher quality buy game when only 3000 fans are showing up at games.

Fans want to stop playing SWAC and non D1 programs. More money through season ticket sales, ticket sales and donations have to come in so they can afford to attract better teams. We get what - 200K from Conference TV money. the Conference gets one NCAA bid a year, so our share of that don't amount to much. We had better schedules when we were in a better conference for a reason. We had more money.

And you may be willing to pay the same amount for less home games, but I bet the majority of fans won't.

Scenario 1- these aren’t the teams we are asking to play. There are plenty of solid programs out there that have similar attendance to us.

Scenario two-we aren’t asking for buy games, we are asking for home and homes, 2 for 1s, or us being the school that’s paid.

I’m willing to bet a majority of fans would be willing to pay the same price for a couple games less at home if it helped us become relevant again.

I would ^^ if it meant we were a good program and team again.

(12-30-2017 02:40 AM)Memphis Blazer Wrote:  

(12-30-2017 02:17 AM)hooverblazer Wrote:  

(12-29-2017 08:52 AM)blazers9911 Wrote:  

(12-29-2017 12:05 AM)The Answer UAB Wrote:  

(12-28-2017 10:59 PM)Blazer85 Wrote:  While I know others will disagree, I think for the right opponent it is reasonable to do a 2 for 1 or 3 for 1. Not for just any Power 5 school of course. But in most cases I think it is worth it because at our current standing, we aren't going to get many 1 for 1s regardless of whether we think we deserve it or not. What's more, I'd rather play a good Power 5 team on the road or neutral court than to play bad teams at home who do nothing but pull the RPI down and do nothing to challenge or prepare us for the conference schedule.

I completely agree. Many here have too high of an opinion of our current standing in the basketball world. We need to do what we have to ensure an appropriately challenging and higher ranked schedule.

I agree as well. Don’t agree for a 3 for 1 with Rutgers, but if a program like Tennessee offers a 2 for 1, take it.

Exactly. Games against Lemoyne Owen, New Orleans, Jacksonville, Alabama A&M, MSVU, Mississippi College, etc are embarrassing. Have a maximum of two of those kinds of home games on the schedule. Either hit the road to P5 teams/neutral sites or call every other decent mid-major school in the country to work out home and homes with them.

I'll gladly pay the same price for season tickets with two less home games if it meant we played more meaningful competition that would raise the profile of the program and better prepare us for conference play.

The problem is an economic one.
Scenario one:
Why would Mid Major team 1 who draws 7K or 8K at home agree to a home and home with UAB who is drawing around 3000 fans to a game when they can get a home and home with a P5 or have another home game in place of the road trip to UAB where only 3000 fans will be there. Why would they agree to play on the road in front of less fans than they can get at home?

Second Scenario
How can UAB afford the payout to a higher quality buy game when only 3000 fans are showing up at games.

Fans want to stop playing SWAC and non D1 programs. More money through season ticket sales, ticket sales and donations have to come in so they can afford to attract better teams. We get what - 200K from Conference TV money. the Conference gets one NCAA bid a year, so our share of that don't amount to much. We had better schedules when we were in a better conference for a reason. We had more money.

And you may be willing to pay the same amount for less home games, but I bet the majority of fans won't.

Your logic is so flawed. Almost as bad as the Carr Report. It makes absolutely no business sense. Your product has declined greatly over the last 5-10, which has caused revenue to follow suit, so you want customers to buy more of the crap you’re offering so you can afford to offer better product?

Absolutely not, you offer better product, by whatever means... then you will see revenue increase. There are schools with budgets far less than ours with much better schedules than ours. So 3000 fans aren’t not the problem.

At some point you all need to quit expecting fans to show up regardless, fans are there to be entertained. Playing 5 high schools is not entertaining. I wish more would show up, but i definitely understand why they don’t.

Heck even those who have purchased season tickets aren’t showing up. Me included. Ive purchased season tickets for the past 20 years. 4 sets for the last 10. this year, even with 4 sets (Including premium seating fee), we’ve missed more games than we have ever. Yes, I’m throwing money away (Or in your scenario, donating to the cause for a better schedule), that’s how bad the schedule is. It’s pitiful, disgusting. Then the few descent games that we were afforded in the tournament, we went 0 for 3. So Guilt tripping fans ain’t gonna motivate any to spend money watching this crap.

(12-30-2017 08:09 AM)blazers9911 Wrote:  Scenario 1- these aren’t the teams we are asking to play. There are plenty of solid programs out there that have similar attendance to us.

Scenario two-we aren’t asking for buy games, we are asking for home and homes, 2 for 1s, or us being the school that’s paid.

I’m willing to bet a majority of fans would be willing to pay the same price for a couple games less at home if it helped us become relevant again.

Thank you. I'm not talking about asking VCU, Dayton, Creighton, etc for home games that have 7k+ attendance. I'm talking about home and homes with Georgia St, UT Arlington, Rhode Island, Saint Louis, Bradley, FGCU, Belmont, St. Bonaventure, South Dakota St, Louisiana Lafayette, etc.

On the 2nd scenario, I'm not talking about UAB putting up more money for guarantee games. I'm talking about UAB being the one receiving money as the team playing a buy game at a P5 school OR agreeing to 2 for 1s with P5 teams or heck even 3 for 1s.

Scheduling real games and winning some of them is what will help bring us back into relevance. The current schedule full of crap teams does nothing to help us.

Chattanooga and Richmond fit that first scenario too. We are playing home and homes withose teams. They just happen to be down this year. Although Richmond got a good win vs Davidson yesterday.

Thing is we have played some of those teams mentioned above and people complained. Lol. No one is happy with this year’s ooc schedule. Fact is people are mad every year. Next years will be a little better and the following will have Some games I’m happy about but some here will still complain.

Want better schedules, players, conference? Go to games. Support the program and donate what you can. Get ready to help fund a new basketball facility in the near future.

Those that already do those things I salute you.

I’m happy when we play those teams, i want more on the schedule. A schedule isn’t a one or two game thing, especially in the current state of CUSA. If we could just play 6-10 ooc games against the top 150 our rpi would be greatly improved and we would have at least some sort of at large argument. According to RPI wizard we could have went undefeated this year up to the conference tournament and our RPI would be in the neighborhood of 20.(i didn’t factor in what would have happened in the cayman island tournament if we won). Our margin for error is non existent.

I will stop complaining about our schedule when we have multiple 300+ RPI teams ooc and two non d1 games. Until then, it’s an issue.

The out of conference schedule is over. It's time to move on and complain about the conference schedule.

Maybe if everybody complains enough, this year's out of conference schedule will magically improve.

(12-31-2017 04:19 PM)ATTALLABLAZE Wrote:  Thing is we have played some of those teams mentioned above and people complained. Lol. No one is happy with this year’s ooc schedule. Fact is people are mad every year,

Yes we continue as long as we play ZERO road games against top 25 - if we lucked up and won one - it would help. We play zero 2 for 1s and not a single power 5 even in tournaments other than Auburn. Even No home and home with tier 2 rpi - mid majors, That is a coward of a coach's schedule

Early this year AB - you were making excuses for our scheduling so please explain how being LAST in SOS for pitiful CUSA TWO out of three years is acceptable(only middle the other) Please explain why we are LAST

(12-31-2017 07:38 PM)uabbean Wrote:  

(12-31-2017 04:19 PM)ATTALLABLAZE Wrote:  Thing is we have played some of those teams mentioned above and people complained. Lol. No one is happy with this year’s ooc schedule. Fact is people are mad every year,

Yes we continue as long as we play ZERO road games against top 25 - if we lucked up and won one - it would help. We play zero 2 for 1s and not a single power 5 even in tournaments other than Auburn. Even No home and home with tier 2 rpi - mid majors, That is a coward of a coach's schedule

Early this year AB - you were making excuses for our scheduling so please explain how being LAST in SOS for pitiful CUSA TWO out of three years is acceptable(only middle the other) Please explain why we are LAST

When did the Big 10 stop being a power 5 conference. I guess the Big 12 is no longer a power conference either. Because we played both in tournament in the past two years plus Texas as a buy game.

High mid majors? Some one let Saint Mary's know they are no longer considered quality according to the knowledge basketball fans at UAB.

There is nothing that can be done about the 2017 schedule. Why continue to piss and moan about it.

Because it isn’t just the 2017 schedule. It’s been getting worse and worse and it’s a trend that needs to stop.

My ideas are simple.

No non d1 games EVER except preseason exhibition game(s). (I don't care if they are RPI neutral) We are allowed two but in recent years have only been playing one because we play the closed door scrimmage.

No team reasonably expected to be below 250 rpi. Most below 200.

At least two games and ideally 3 in hostile environments. Troy was not hostile. I could hear the cow tipping in the background.

3 at home patsies leading up to MTSU was not ideal. My interest is more from a get the team ready standpoint rather than "bash the coach for any reason".

(12-31-2017 07:59 PM)Memphis Blazer Wrote:  

(12-31-2017 07:38 PM)uabbean Wrote:  Yes we continue as long as we play ZERO road games against top 25 - if we lucked up and won one - it would help. We play zero 2 for 1s and not a single power 5 even in tournaments other than Auburn. Even No home and home with tier 2 rpi - mid majors, That is a coward of a coach's schedule

Early this year AB - you were making excuses for our scheduling so please explain how being LAST in SOS for pitiful CUSA TWO out of three years is acceptable(only middle the other) Please explain why we are LAST

When did the Big 10 stop being a power 5 conference. I guess the Big 12 is no longer a power conference either. Because we played both in tournament in the past two years plus Texas as a buy game.

High mid majors? Some one let Saint Mary's know they are no longer considered quality according to the knowledge basketball fans at UAB.

Most of these games are from TWO years ago when we played our "tuff" 196th SOS. Heck if you want to play games/change criteria by going back to prior years why not go back ten years ago when we played lots of top 50 teams and got in as a legitimate at large team.

But you are right we did play the current power 5 CUPCAKE Iowa for last place in a tournament (had to lose two games to play them).

Again WHY is having the worst schedule in CUSA two of the last three years- OK with anyone.

We played Texas and Saint Mary's last year, not two years ago. And Ehsan is only responsible for the schedule the last two years. And Iowa finished the non conference schedule 9-4, so they lost two games outside of the tournament. Anyway, you said we didn't play any power five teams other than Auburn, and I pointed out one this year, and two last year in addition to Auburn. Plus we played a strong mid major on a neutral court last year, something you and your ilk are screaming and crying for us to do.

In addition please show me someone here that has said that they are ok with the schedule. Don’t look at me as I have stated numerous times I am not happy with it.

Smdh

You guys sure seem to brush it off though.

Not saying you're happy with it, but you make it seem like it's not a big deal.