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XFL idea: McMahon said in the press conference an idea he had was for 2 hour games and no halftime. Instead of trying to shorten quarters or halves why not do something radical.

Use natural time.

The game will kickoff exactly at 1 PM and end exactly at 3 PM. Use a 30 second playclock to keep the action going and do not have breaks for halftime or quarters.

If that is not feasible or too susceptible to manipulation, use a soccer rolling clock and add time on at the end
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(01-26-2018 01:35 PM)solohawks Wrote:  XFL idea: McMahon said in the press conference an idea he had was for 2 hour games and no halftime. Instead of trying to shorten quarters or halves why not do something radical.

Use natural time.

The game will kickoff exactly at 1 PM and end exactly at 3 PM. Use a 30 second playclock to keep the action going and do not have breaks for halftime or quarters.

If that is not feasible or too susceptible to manipulation, use a soccer rolling clock and add time on at the end

The no-halftime idea probably won't make it to the finished product. It's too dramatic a departure from the timekeeping of modern sports, all of which have at least one game break. Players need it, coaches need it, advertisers need it, and to be honest, fans need it (gotta pee sometime).

There are certainly ways to shake up and/or shorten the halftime experience—certainly, it makes sense for the XFL not to want a long halftime just because it's not like they're going to have an NFL-style recap show there. Eliminating it seems like a bridge too far.
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You're gonna get people killed if you don't have some kind of intermission. Even if not a full halftime, there at least needs to be quarter breaks or limited, but very long timeouts. Otherwise, that's a great idea. I would extend natural time to 2 hours and 20 minutes, that way they have time for post-game interviews and celebrations and can wrap up the broadcasts.
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Fatigue (and resultant injury risk) will be much greater with 40 man rosters, which I believe is what has been proposed. In my mind, that (plus CTE anxiety) would make it more likely that the end product is much more finesse and less brute force. No wearing a team down so you can crush them in the fourth quarter.

To me, that starts to sound like arena football, only outdoors and on bigger fields. Question is, will fans pay to see that?
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I think this league is going to have some issues finding places to play.

I'm assuming that all the NFL teams have exclusive pro football contracts on their home stadiums. And that the XFL will not play in a stadium with less than 18k capacity

I'm also assuming that many P5 teams will not be renting stadiums they own out for the XFL. I'll assume that G5 teams will and that most MLS stadiums would be available. That might not be the case in every situation. I'm also assuming that MLB facilities might not be available either.

First, lets throw out some cities that don't have stadiums and aren't going to build one for an XFL team. Seattle, Sacramento. Oklahoma City, New Orleans, Indianapolis, Raleigh, Jacksonville, Boston, Louisville, and Austin might not have a facility available. For practical purposes, outdoor football, even if they can rent the MLB stadium, is going to be not feasible in January and February in Detroit, Milwaukee, Pittsburgh, Minneapolis, or Cleveland. I think it would be rather foolish to spend money on a new league stadium. And I don't think the XFL is going to be spending their own money on this venture. Maybe a place like Oklahoma City might bite on a stadium...but I don't know.

Now, here are some places where the potential stadium already has a football tenant. Houston (FCS - Texas Southern), San Antonio (UTPA), Memphis (Memphis), Tulsa (U of Tulsa), Cincinnati (Cincinnati), Las Vegas (UNLV), Phoenix (Arizona State), Birmingham (UAB), E Hartford (UConn), Charlotte (UNCC - or they could play in a 21k high school stadium), Greensboro (NC A&T), The Roads (either Norfolk State or ODU), San Diego (SDSU), Atlanta (Ga State), Providence (FCS - Portland State). Its possible these places might have contractual agreements.

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Just for argument's sake, I'll concede that the XFL might be able to play in some MLB stadiums.

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And then there's the public financing issue. Most cities aren't going to spend money on a league that has no track record and is run by people who have failed before. Some cities have referendum requirements now. And if you think about what kind of league run by Vince McMahon is likely to represent, and you look at the political dynamic of the cities and counties in which it is proposed to be located....and they might have significant pushback if they're looking for handouts. Sure the cities will take the XFL's money, but its unlikely many will front them cash or give them much of a discount on city owned facilities.

And my God, they're going to try to play this mess in late January and February?? Who in their right mind is going to go watch minor league football in Philadelphia, much less Buffalo in February?

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So lets put together some potential teams, most of which would need to be privately funded

New England (E Hartford - renting from UConn)...possibly Boston (renting from BC) or if a MLS stadium gets built, they could move there (the stadium deal is a mess). I don't think Fenway is suitable for football or that its owner is going to be amenable to playing football there. I don't see any team drawing any fans in January for a team not named the Patriots.

NYC - (Harrison NJ, MLS facility). I think for a variety of reasons, the Mets and Yankees pass on having a long term and permanent tenant in their facilities. Either way, weather is going to be an issue.

Phiiladelphia (Chester, PA MLS facility). Again weather.

DC (MLS stadium). Plausible, but still miserable weather.

Norfolk (ODU Stadium) - I don't think they get a team.

Columbus (MLS Stadium) - Weather would be horrendous

Cincinnati (renting from the U of Cincinnati) - Even if they get the stadium, the weather is going to be a problem.

Chicago (Bridgeview IL, MLS Stadium) - They will draw tens of fans to an outdoor facility in February.

St Louis (ED Jones)

Memphis (Liberty Bowl)

Nashville (MLS Stadium)

Atlanta (Georgia State)

Birmingham (Legion Field)

Orlando (Camping World Stadium)

Miami (either MLS stadium or FIU or FAU)

San Antonio (Alamodome)

Tampa Bay - I'll concede they might get that MLB stadium

Houston (Rice)

Dallas (Cotton Bowl)

Tulsa (U of Tulsa) - They aren't likely to get a team

Denver (MLS) - Better hope for some Chinook winds

Salt Lake (MLS) - Bring a jacket or ten.

Las Vegas (UNLV) - Don't think there's any appetite for a second pro team there

Los Angeles (MLS facility in Carson)

Bay Area (MLS facility San Jose)

Portland (MLS facility)

San Diego (renting from SDSU or the City)

BTW, this doesn't represent likely teams, just plausible ones.

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Any public money or subsidy throws San Diego out. This league will probably be so dependent upon MLS that they'll probably have to give them ownership shares. Which will make raising money even more difficult. I think McMahon is looking for handouts from cities. I'm not sure they're going to get them either.

Anyone want to spend 300 bucks (40 bucks a ticket x 4, plus parking and food/beer) to take the family to go to Legion Field in mid February to watch minor league football?

They better hope for some unseasonably warm weather. A winter even like this one would just kill the league.

My prediction...the league gets off the ground - barely. It draws about 15,000 a game after selling most of their tickets on groupon. First two weekends will be great for the league, but will fall off like a rock after that. The franchises immediately run into the ground and the league folds by 2023.
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I believe city selection will mostly depend on previous XFL teams that did well during the single season they were in existance. Orlando for instance had the highest attendance numbers, and the city's support. I suspect Orlando would embrace the opportunity again. Plus it would give them a chance to wear the old RAGE gear....lol
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(01-26-2018 03:46 PM)Knightsweat Wrote:  I believe city selection will mostly depend on previous XFL teams that did well during the single season they were in existance. Orlando for instance had the highest attendance numbers, and the city's support. I suspect Orlando would embrace the opportunity again. Plus it would give them a chance to wear the old RAGE gear....lol

Yea, but who are they going to play? January and February football? Works in Orlando and in Southern California...but elsewhere....my God...

Better hope for a really warm winter....or the league will probably fold from embarrassment (from the really sparse crowds) after one season.
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(01-26-2018 03:08 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  I think this league is going to have some issues finding places to play.

I'm assuming that all the NFL teams have exclusive pro football contracts on their home stadiums. And that the XFL will not play in a stadium with less than 18k capacity

I'm also assuming that many P5 teams will not be renting stadiums they own out for the XFL. I'll assume that G5 teams will and that most MLS stadiums would be available. That might not be the case in every situation. I'm also assuming most MLB teams are not going to want to rent out their stadium to an XFL team (there's a problem with scheduling unless the entire season doesn't overlap with baseball).

First, lets throw out some cities that don't have stadiums and aren't going to build one for an XFL team. Seattle, Sacramento. Oklahoma City, Cleveland, New Orleans, Indianapolis, Raleigh, Jacksonville, Tampa Bay, Boston, Pittsburgh, Louisville, Baltimore, Austin, Milwaukee, Minneapolis, and Detroit might not have a facility available. I think it would be rather foolish to spend money on a new league stadium. And I don't think the XFL is going to be spending their own money on this venture. Maybe a place like Oklahoma City might bite on a stadium...but I don't know.

Now, here are some places where the potential stadium already has a football tenant. Houston (FCS - Texas Southern), San Antonio (UTPA), Memphis (Memphis), Tulsa (U of Tulsa), Cincinnati (Cincinnati), Las Vegas (UNLV), Phoenix (Arizona State), Birmingham (UAB), E Hartford (UConn), Charlotte (UNCC - or they could play in a 21k high school stadium), Greensboro (NC A&T), The Roads (either Norfolk State or ODU), San Diego (SDSU), Atlanta (Ga State)

My guess is that unless the XFL is going to have access to NFL, MLB, or P5 stadiums, its going to be playing a lot of its games in very old or very small (and sometimes both) stadiums. Its going to feel rather minor league.

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And then there's the public financing issue. Most cities aren't going to spend money on a league that has no track record and is run by people who have failed before. Some cities have referendum requirements now. And if you think about what kind of league run by Vince McMahon is likely to represent, and you look at the political dynamic of the cities and counties in which it is proposed to be located....and they might have significant pushback if they're looking for handouts. Sure the cities will take the XFL's money, but its unlikely many will front them cash or give them much of a discount on city owned facilities.

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So lets put together some potential teams, most of which would need to be privately funded

New England (E Hartford - renting from UConn)...possibly Boston (renting from BC) or if a MLS stadium gets built, they could move there (the stadium deal is a mess)

NYC - (Harrison NJ, MLS facility)

Phiiladelphia (Chester, PA MLS facility)

DC (MLS stadium)

Norfolk (ODU Stadium)

Columbus (MLS Stadium)

Cincinnati (renting from the U of Cincinnati)

Chicago (Bridgeview IL, MLS Stadium)

St Louis (ED Jones)

Memphis (Liberty Bowl)

Nashville (MLS Stadium)

Atlanta (Georgia State)

Birmingham (Legion Field)

Orlando (Camping World Stadium)

Miami (either MLS stadium or FIU or FAU)

San Antonio (Alamodome)

Houston (Rice)

Dallas (Cotton Bowl)

Tulsa (U of Tulsa)

Denver (MLS)

Salt Lake (MLS)

Las Vegas (UNLV)

Los Angeles (MLS facility in Carson)

Bay Area (MLS facility San Jose)

Portland (MLS facility)

San Diego (renting from SDSU or the City)

BTW, this doesn't represent likely teams, just plausible ones.

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Any public money or subsidy throws San Diego out. This league will probably be so dependent upon MLS that they'll probably have to give them ownership shares. Which will make raising money even more difficult. I think McMahon is looking for handouts from cities. I'm not sure they're going to get them either.

Anyone want to spend 300 bucks (40 bucks a ticket x 4, plus parking and food/beer) to take the family to go to Legion Field and watch minor league football the day after Alabama or Auburn play? Didn't think so.

My prediction...the league gets off the ground - barely. It draws about 15,000 a game after selling most of their tickets on groupon. First two weekends will be great for the league, but will fall off like a rock after that. The franchises immediately run into the ground and the league folds by 2023.

In regards to facilities I think maybe you use the older stadiums to play up the nostalgia of return to a simpler time in football.

Oakland--Oakland Collesium
San Diego--Qualcomm Stadium
Dallas--Cotton Bowl
San Antonio--Alamo Dome
Houston--Rice Stadium (or Houston's modern one)
Memphis--Liberty Bowl
St Louis--Edward Jones Dome
Birmingham--Legion Field
Orlando--Camping World Stadium
DC--RFK (MLS is leaving it)

You also mentioned some college facilities and I think that would work out well in places like Salt Lake or Miami. Even Atlanta with GA St or GT would be nice.

NYC and Chicago, if that's somewhere they want to return to, definitely mean going to MLS venues but elsewhere I think there are plenty of options to set up shop.
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(01-26-2018 03:46 PM)Knightsweat Wrote:  I believe city selection will mostly depend on previous XFL teams that did well during the single season they were in existance. Orlando for instance had the highest attendance numbers, and the city's support. I suspect Orlando would embrace the opportunity again. Plus it would give them a chance to wear the old RAGE gear....lol
Since 2001, Orlando not only has seen UCF improve greatly, but the MLS came to town with Orlando City FC. A lot of the XFL target audience is gone in more than one of those eight cities.

Getting 8-12K people a game won't keep the lights on for long, as seen with nearly every alt football attempt since the USFL and those larger USFL crowds still had teams lose millions each season with a national TV deal.
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(01-26-2018 01:35 PM)solohawks Wrote:  XFL idea: McMahon said in the press conference an idea he had was for 2 hour games and no halftime. Instead of trying to shorten quarters or halves why not do something radical.

Use natural time.

The game will kickoff exactly at 1 PM and end exactly at 3 PM. Use a 30 second playclock to keep the action going and do not have breaks for halftime or quarters.

If that is not feasible or too susceptible to manipulation, use a soccer rolling clock and add time on at the end

I like it but I think you still needs some way to penalize delay of game. Maybe you give them the five yards and then the time is tacked on at the end.
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(01-26-2018 03:46 PM)Knightsweat Wrote:  I believe city selection will mostly depend on previous XFL teams that did well during the single season they were in existance. Orlando for instance had the highest attendance numbers, and the city's support. I suspect Orlando would embrace the opportunity again. Plus it would give them a chance to wear the old RAGE gear....lol


If I had to guess, they go with 4-5 NFL cities, and 5-6 non-NFL cities. My guess for the NFL cities are NYC, LA, Chicago, and Philly, the largest markets and the ones McMahon knows the best. If a fifth, Vegas was a strong XFL city, but I think the Raiders going there makes that moot, so maybe Oakland if there is a fifth NFL city hoping to fill the void. Non NFL cities are too hard to gauge, although Orlando (past XFL city) and Toronto (4th/5th biggest NA market) seem like the ones to fit the top of the list. but again too many candidates to mention

If he follows thru with the plans laid out, don't expect any in college hotbeds hoping to use former local college stars.
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(01-26-2018 02:22 PM)ken d Wrote:  Fatigue (and resultant injury risk) will be much greater with 40 man rosters, which I believe is what has been proposed. In my mind, that (plus CTE anxiety) would make it more likely that the end product is much more finesse and less brute force. No wearing a team down so you can crush them in the fourth quarter.

To me, that starts to sound like arena football, only outdoors and on bigger fields. Question is, will fans pay to see that?

If it's 11-on-11 football, I don't see how 40-man rosters are feasible, especially if you're trying to make the game safer. You're looking at 24 spots just for starters, depending on whether the long snapper does double duty. You can't even do a two-deep roster with 40, unless you have two-way players, which, again, defeats the purpose of promoting player safety.

Which leads me to believe, as you do, that the result will be an arena football-style game, or possibly something like the eight-man or six-man versions played at very small high schools. I'd say it could be like NFL Blitz, but that would have been a better selling point 15-20 years ago (plus no late hits takes out a lot of the fun).

As for whether fans will be willing to pay to see it, I'm torn. On the one hand, Vince McMahon made pro wrestling a big thing in the 80s, then again in the 90s. On the other hand, literally all his non-wrestling ventures have failed spectacularly, and it's not like WWE in 2018 is hot ****. And the pro sports graveyard is littered with the graves of leagues that attempted to either compete with or coexist with the NFL but met the same fate regardless.

I wonder (and I think I've wondered this before here) if McMahon gave any thought to buying the arena league. Right now the league is on death's door (just four teams scheduled to play this season), but they've had a surprisingly good record of attendance and McMahon obviously has experience working with arenas. A refresh/reboot of arena football, perhaps with the XFL branding, might have paid off more handsomely than yet another NFL wannabe attempt.
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(01-26-2018 03:57 PM)Renandpat Wrote:  
(01-26-2018 03:46 PM)Knightsweat Wrote:  I believe city selection will mostly depend on previous XFL teams that did well during the single season they were in existance. Orlando for instance had the highest attendance numbers, and the city's support. I suspect Orlando would embrace the opportunity again. Plus it would give them a chance to wear the old RAGE gear....lol
Since 2001, Orlando not only has seen UCF improve greatly, but the MLS came to town with Orlando City FC. A lot of the XFL target audience is gone in more than one of those eight cities.

Getting 8-12K people a game won't keep the lights on for long, as seen with nearly every alt football attempt since the USFL and those larger USFL crowds still had teams lose millions each season with a national TV deal.

UCF and the soccer team will definitely have some impact on the success of the Rage or whatever they call a new XFL Orlando team but I have to think that the level of play will be better than the Knights and I think soccer and football pull from different demographic groups.
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(01-26-2018 03:08 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  I think this league is going to have some issues finding places to play.

I'm assuming that all the NFL teams have exclusive pro football contracts on their home stadiums. And that the XFL will not play in a stadium with less than 18k capacity

I'm also assuming that many P5 teams will not be renting stadiums they own out for the XFL. I'll assume that G5 teams will and that most MLS stadiums would be available. That might not be the case in every situation. I'm also assuming most MLB teams are not going to want to rent out their stadium to an XFL team (there's a problem with scheduling unless the entire season doesn't overlap with baseball).

First, lets throw out some cities that don't have stadiums and aren't going to build one for an XFL team. Seattle, Sacramento. Oklahoma City, Cleveland, New Orleans, Indianapolis, Raleigh, Jacksonville, Tampa Bay, Boston, Pittsburgh, Louisville, Baltimore, Austin, Milwaukee, Minneapolis, and Detroit might not have a facility available. I think it would be rather foolish to spend money on a new league stadium. And I don't think the XFL is going to be spending their own money on this venture. Maybe a place like Oklahoma City might bite on a stadium...but I don't know.

Now, here are some places where the potential stadium already has a football tenant. Houston (FCS - Texas Southern), San Antonio (UTPA), Memphis (Memphis), Tulsa (U of Tulsa), Cincinnati (Cincinnati), Las Vegas (UNLV), Phoenix (Arizona State), Birmingham (UAB), E Hartford (UConn), Charlotte (UNCC - or they could play in a 21k high school stadium), Greensboro (NC A&T), The Roads (either Norfolk State or ODU), San Diego (SDSU), Atlanta (Ga State)

My guess is that unless the XFL is going to have access to NFL, MLB, or P5 stadiums, its going to be playing a lot of its games in very old or very small (and sometimes both) stadiums. Its going to feel rather minor league.

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And then there's the public financing issue. Most cities aren't going to spend money on a league that has no track record and is run by people who have failed before. Some cities have referendum requirements now. And if you think about what kind of league run by Vince McMahon is likely to represent, and you look at the political dynamic of the cities and counties in which it is proposed to be located....and they might have significant pushback if they're looking for handouts. Sure the cities will take the XFL's money, but its unlikely many will front them cash or give them much of a discount on city owned facilities.

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So lets put together some potential teams, most of which would need to be privately funded

New England (E Hartford - renting from UConn)...possibly Boston (renting from BC) or if a MLS stadium gets built, they could move there (the stadium deal is a mess)

NYC - (Harrison NJ, MLS facility)

Phiiladelphia (Chester, PA MLS facility)

DC (MLS stadium)

Norfolk (ODU Stadium)

Columbus (MLS Stadium)

Cincinnati (renting from the U of Cincinnati)

Chicago (Bridgeview IL, MLS Stadium)

St Louis (ED Jones)

Memphis (Liberty Bowl)

Nashville (MLS Stadium)

Atlanta (Georgia State)

Birmingham (Legion Field)

Orlando (Camping World Stadium)

Miami (either MLS stadium or FIU or FAU)

San Antonio (Alamodome)

Houston (Rice)

Dallas (Cotton Bowl)

Tulsa (U of Tulsa)

Denver (MLS)

Salt Lake (MLS)

Las Vegas (UNLV)

Los Angeles (MLS facility in Carson)

Bay Area (MLS facility San Jose)

Portland (MLS facility)

San Diego (renting from SDSU or the City)

BTW, this doesn't represent likely teams, just plausible ones.

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Any public money or subsidy throws San Diego out. This league will probably be so dependent upon MLS that they'll probably have to give them ownership shares. Which will make raising money even more difficult. I think McMahon is looking for handouts from cities. I'm not sure they're going to get them either.

Anyone want to spend 300 bucks (40 bucks a ticket x 4, plus parking and food/beer) to take the family to go to Legion Field and watch minor league football the day after Alabama or Auburn play? Didn't think so.

My prediction...the league gets off the ground - barely. It draws about 15,000 a game after selling most of their tickets on groupon. First two weekends will be great for the league, but will fall off like a rock after that. The franchises immediately run into the ground and the league folds by 2023.

In regards to facilities I think maybe you use the older stadiums to play up the nostalgia of return to a simpler time in football.

Oakland--Oakland Collesium
San Diego--Qualcomm Stadium
Dallas--Cotton Bowl
San Antonio--Alamo Dome
Houston--Rice Stadium (or Houston's modern one)
Memphis--Liberty Bowl
St Louis--Edward Jones Dome
Birmingham--Legion Field
Orlando--Camping World Stadium
DC--RFK (MLS is leaving it)

You also mentioned some college facilities and I think that would work out well in places like Salt Lake or Miami. Even Atlanta with GA St or GT would be nice.

NYC and Chicago, if that's somewhere they want to return to, definitely mean going to MLS venues but elsewhere I think there are plenty of options to set up shop.

The MLS venues, even in the warmer climates are unlikely to have their pitch already torn up before their season begins in the first week of March. That ruins the point of overseeding in the winter.
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(01-26-2018 03:08 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  I think this league is going to have some issues finding places to play.

I'm assuming that all the NFL teams have exclusive pro football contracts on their home stadiums. And that the XFL will not play in a stadium with less than 18k capacity

I'm also assuming that many P5 teams will not be renting stadiums they own out for the XFL. I'll assume that G5 teams will and that most MLS stadiums would be available. That might not be the case in every situation. I'm also assuming that MLB facilities might not be available either.

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And then there's the public financing issue. Most cities aren't going to spend money on a league that has no track record and is run by people who have failed before. Some cities have referendum requirements now. And if you think about what kind of league run by Vince McMahon is likely to represent, and you look at the political dynamic of the cities and counties in which it is proposed to be located....and they might have significant pushback if they're looking for handouts. Sure the cities will take the XFL's money, but its unlikely many will front them cash or give them much of a discount on city owned facilities.

And my God, they're going to try to play this mess in late January and February?? Who in their right mind is going to go watch minor league football in Philadelphia, much less Buffalo in February?

Which is why I think they would be wise to consider having all teams play in the same city, possibly the same site (I suggested Orlando and ESPN's Wide World of Sports Complex, because they already have a strong presence there as the home of their NXT developmental wrestling organization), and treating the entire thing as a TV show in the vein of Slamball or a non-scripted Rollergames from back in the day. Putting everything in one city cuts costs dramatically (no travel, no negotiating deals and dates with stadiums) and if they're trying to give guys a chance to get noticed by the NFL, it's a lot easier for scouts to head to Orlando for a weekend's worth of games than it is to have said scout traipse around the country. And the weather's a lot better.
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(01-26-2018 03:52 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(01-26-2018 03:46 PM)Knightsweat Wrote:  I believe city selection will mostly depend on previous XFL teams that did well during the single season they were in existance. Orlando for instance had the highest attendance numbers, and the city's support. I suspect Orlando would embrace the opportunity again. Plus it would give them a chance to wear the old RAGE gear....lol

Yea, but who are they going to play? January and February football? Works in Orlando and in Southern California...but elsewhere....my God...

Better hope for a really warm winter....or the league will probably fold from embarrassment (from the really sparse crowds) after one season.

That is a fair point...04-cheers
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RE: Potential XFL return
(01-26-2018 03:58 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  
(01-26-2018 03:46 PM)Knightsweat Wrote:  I believe city selection will mostly depend on previous XFL teams that did well during the single season they were in existance. Orlando for instance had the highest attendance numbers, and the city's support. I suspect Orlando would embrace the opportunity again. Plus it would give them a chance to wear the old RAGE gear....lol


If I had to guess, they go with 4-5 NFL cities, and 5-6 non-NFL cities. My guess for the NFL cities are NYC, LA, Chicago, and Philly, the largest markets and the ones McMahon knows the best. If a fifth, Vegas was a strong XFL city, but I think the Raiders going there makes that moot, so maybe Oakland if there is a fifth NFL city hoping to fill the void. Non NFL cities are too hard to gauge, although Orlando (past XFL city) and Toronto (4th/5th biggest NA market) seem like the ones to fit the top of the list. but again too many candidates to mention

If he follows thru with the plans laid out, don't expect any in college hotbeds hoping to use former local college stars.

They are planning on playing games in January and February. I think that's going to be an issue for some venues
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RE: Potential XFL return
I think the way you pull off a 2 hour football game with no half time or a very short one is using your whole roster and rotating players in and out the way they do in basketball. You may pull some or all of your starters at certain points to rest them.

Does anyone know why Vince seems stuck on such an early start? I'd think that March would be a better time to start play. Is he worried about scheduling around other sporting events like March Madness, the NBA and NHL playoffs, and baseball's opening day? It would seem that would be detrimental to cold market teams. As I recall, cold weather Chicago and NYC did not draw well last time.
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I am not going to watch this, and I was a big fan of the USFL back in the early Eighties and the World Football League back in the Seventies.

This? Clown show with McMahon involved. The older version of XFL blew, except for He Hate Me, of course.
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There is no game in sport that's highly aerobic besides baseball that's gonna go without an at least 15 minute intermission, you guys can stop proposing that.
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