Observer Wrote:I don't agree with these assessments at all.  With the addition of Louisville, the Big East hit a home run.  And with Cincy playing as good as anyone in CUSA, they could be a tremendous addition.  Add that to a WVU team that is better than you give them credit for being and you have the makings for a solid Big East.  Will they be any better than CUSA? I don't think so. But they won't be the pushovers some of you make them out to be.

No one is saying the Big Least is going to suck, by mid-major standards, but they will be a mid-major and all their protests to the contrary notwithstanding even the network announcers have referred to them as such. The difference between them and us is we know we are a mid-major but the Big Least continues to believe the delusion that they are not. That's why everybody makes fun of them. I got an analogy for you. Remember the 2nd Revenge of the Nerds movie? That's the one where the "cool kids" kick Ogre out of their club and he's left behind with the nerds. Even after it's obvious that he's now a nerd he still acts for a while as if he's better and part of the in-crowd. In the end though he realizes that he's just another nerd and has to join up with the nerds to fight their common oppressors.

they won't be that good a mid major league.

charles Wrote:I got an analogy for you. Remember the 2nd Revenge of the Nerds movie? That's the one where the "cool kids" kick Ogre out of their club and he's left behind with the nerds. Even after it's obvious that he's now a nerd he still acts for a while as if he's better and part of the in-crowd. In the end though he realizes that he's just another nerd and has to join up with the nerds to fight their common oppressors.

Never having seen the movie, nor ever having any inclination to see the movie, your analogy is lost on me. However, my contention was that the Big East is not as good as they think, nor as bad as some posters would attempt to have us think.

Observer Wrote:However, my contention was that the Big East is not as good as they think, nor as bad as some posters would attempt to have us think.

Precisely. They won't fall to the level of the MAC but they will still be only a mid-major. Not much better than C-USA.

Right now, I'd even have to say they look to be better than all the other mid-major conferences but not by much.

And every single one of you that says the Big East is a bad conference would jump at the chance to join it if invited. :rolleyes:

Off-topic, but is that a "camel toe" I see in Derby's signature?

bearcatfan Wrote:And every single one of you that says the Big East is a bad conference would jump at the chance to join it if invited. :rolleyes:

ECU Begged to join, the reason is very simple the Big East unlike the MWC, WAC, C-USA, MAC and Sunbelt has automatic access to the money that they don't.

It kills them that the Big East will send it Champion to either the Fiesta or Sugar Bowl and nothing will change until after the 2007 season at the earliest if anything changes at all. They agreed to this deal and now they are stuck with it.

bearcatfan Wrote:And every single one of you that says the Big East is a bad conference would jump at the chance to join it if invited. :rolleyes:

ONLY because of the coveted BCS bid and the seemingly easy path that leads to it for any decent team playing in that mediocre league.

ONCE THE BCS BID EVAPORATES , CUSA will be a much better fit for its' future members, offering warm weather destinations ( Syracuse or Memphis ? Morgantown or New Orleans ? Orlando or Cincinatti ? You pick.. ) and better overall Football. Basketball will come along just fine for the future members.

I can't see a single CUSA school that would desire to leave for the Frozen North after that BCS auto-bid disappears in 2006. Nobody gets real excited to see their team play play football at Syracuse, Rutgers, UCONN, Pitt, or Morgantown in November when a token BCS auto-bid isn't on the plate. You'll see.

Keep Dreaming. You don't have to wake up to face the nightmare until 2006....

:laugh:

HerdChemist89 Wrote:

bearcatfan Wrote:And every single one of you that says the Big East is a bad conference would jump at the chance to join it if invited. :rolleyes:

ONLY because of the coveted BCS bid and the seemingly easy path that leads to it for any decent team playing in that mediocre league.

ONCE THE BCS BID EVAPORATES , CUSA will be a much better fit for it's future members, offering warm weather destinations ( Syracuse or Memphis ? Morgantown or New Orleans ? Orlando or Cincinatti ? You pick.. ) and better overall Football. Basketball will come along just fine for the future members.

I can't see a single CUSA school that would desire to leave for the Frozen North after that BCS auto-bid disappears in 2006.

Keep Dreaming. You don't have to wake up to face the nightmare until 2006....

:laugh:

UTEP has as good a chance of finishing in the top 12 as any Big Least team next year and playing in a BCS bowl. It is precisely because of the Big Least's auto-bid that the non-mid-major conferences wish they could somehow get rid of them. As long as the Big Least has an auto-bid and C-USA doesn't it is a lawsuit waiting to happen, on many grounds, and possibly by various parties.

HerdChemist89 Wrote:

bearcatfan Wrote:And every single one of you that says the Big East is a bad conference would jump at the chance to join it if invited. :rolleyes:

ONLY because of the coveted BCS bid and the seemingly easy path that leads to it for any decent team playing in that mediocre league.

ONCE THE BCS BID EVAPORATES , CUSA will be a much better fit for it's future members, offering warm weather destinations ( Syracuse or Memphis ? Morgantown or New Orleans ? Orlando or Cincinatti ? You pick.. ) and better overall Football. Basketball will come along just fine for the future members.

I can't see a single CUSA school that would desire to leave for the Frozen North after that BCS auto-bid disappears in 2006. Nobody gets real excited to see their team play play football at Syracuse, Rutgers, UCONN, Pitt, or Morgantown in November when a token BCS auto-bid isn't on the plate. You'll see.

Keep Dreaming. You don't have to wake up to face the nightmare until 2006....

:laugh:

Nothing will be done until after 2007 if anything at all and this is according to Kevin Weinberg who is the Big 12 Commissioner and the BCS Chairman. Plus the Big East will be able to use Louisville ranking this year which is 10th in the BCS.

Also the Big East Basketball Contract alone will be worth more then the entire C-USA contract. It is still more money to be with the Big East instead of the C-USA if there was no BCS.

HerdChemist89 Wrote:

bearcatfan Wrote:And every single one of you that says the Big East is a bad conference would jump at the chance to join it if invited. :rolleyes:

ONLY because of the coveted BCS bid and the seemingly easy path that leads to it for any decent team playing in that mediocre league.

ONCE THE BCS BID EVAPORATES , CUSA will be a much better fit for its' future members, offering warm weather destinations ( Syracuse or Memphis ? Morgantown or New Orleans ? Orlando or Cincinatti ? You pick.. ) and better overall Football. Basketball will come along just fine for the future members.

I can't see a single CUSA school that would desire to leave for the Frozen North after that BCS auto-bid disappears in 2006. Nobody gets real excited to see their team play play football at Syracuse, Rutgers, UCONN, Pitt, or Morgantown in November when a token BCS auto-bid isn't on the plate. You'll see.

Keep Dreaming. You don't have to wake up to face the nightmare until 2006....

:laugh:

Yeah - all of the CUSA teams will really look forward to their annual trek to Huntington, W.V.

If they can find it. :)

HerdChemist89 Wrote:

bearcatfan Wrote:And every single one of you that says the Big East is a bad conference would jump at the chance to join it if invited. :rolleyes:

ONLY because of the coveted BCS bid and the seemingly easy path that leads to it for any decent team playing in that mediocre league.

ONCE THE BCS BID EVAPORATES , CUSA will be a much better fit for its' future members, offering warm weather destinations ( Syracuse or Memphis ? Morgantown or New Orleans ? Orlando or Cincinatti ? You pick.. ) and better overall Football. Basketball will come along just fine for the future members.

I can't see a single CUSA school that would desire to leave for the Frozen North after that BCS auto-bid disappears in 2006. Nobody gets real excited to see their team play play football at Syracuse, Rutgers, UCONN, Pitt, or Morgantown in November when a token BCS auto-bid isn't on the plate. You'll see.

Keep Dreaming. You don't have to wake up to face the nightmare until 2006....

:laugh:

I think Memphis would join for the basketball.

Maize Wrote:

bearcatfan Wrote:And every single one of you that says the Big East is a bad conference would jump at the chance to join it if invited. :rolleyes:

ECU Begged to join, the reason is very simple the Big East unlike the MWC, WAC, C-USA, MAC and Sunbelt has automatic access to the money that they don't.

It kills them that the Big East will send it Champion to either the Fiesta or Sugar Bowl and nothing will change until after the 2007 season at the earliest if anything changes at all. They agreed to this deal and now they are stuck with it.

For one reason - you get the BCS money.
That's it.

Not because of the opportunity to engage Rutgers and W Va on the gridiron.

Sure it kills us because no RBE team has graced the top 10 in the last decade - C-USA has two who have done that while in C-USA (or add marshall and you have 3). That's a far superior record to the RBE in recent memory and accomplished WITHOUT ESPN cheerleading for us at every opportunity or $20 million of funds added to our coffers.
So on the field C-USA has proven more worthy.

Quote:Yeah - all of the CUSA teams will really look forward to their annual trek to Huntington, W.V.

If they can find it.

Evidently you ain't ever been to Morgantown. The dude who first said "You can't get there from here." was asked how to get to Morgantown. :laugh:

For the benefit of those who seem to have missed the other thread.

Will the BE lose their bid in 2006? Who to believe. Herdchemist and his dream or the BCS Chairman Kevin Weiberg? Tough choice! :D

Kelly Whiteside, USA Today: Hi, Kevin. I just had a question about the Big East, when you look at their highest rated team it's, West Virginia at 20 and three non-BCS teams are above them. Can you address if they will have an automatic bid in their future in the system?

Kevin Weiberg: Well what you said there, Kelly, I think, is the key point. You know, any evaluation that we would have of any conference would be one that would be more than a single season evaluation. And we have not finalized how future automatic qualification status will be determined.

But what we are thinking about and continuing to work on is a system that will take in to account a four-year performance rating of a conference. And we'll try to look at elements other than just a single team's relative ranking in the system. We're really interested in understanding the overall strength of conferences as reflected by teams in the top 12 and top 25, as well as overall strength.

We've not settled on how we will go about doing that, quite yet, but that's kind of where our focus has been. I think it's also fair to point out that in past years, we've had other conferences whose champions have been ranked less than 12 - rather lower than 12, in the final polls. So, again, I think we would view it as trying to not overreact to any conference's performance on a single-season basis.

Kelly Whiteside: Just as a quick follow up, you don't expect any changes until when, do you think?

Kevin Weiberg: Well I think the way we're talking about it at this point, Kelly, is that we would really plan to not have an evaluation of AQ status until we've gone through an additional four-year period. So the two years of the remaining BCS structure, and the two years of any new structure. And of course that assumes that there is a new structure rolling forward here at some point.

But that is the way we have talked about it. And it would also include a review of teams that are part of the conference at the time of the evaluation. So as conference realignment continues to play out, conferences are going to get credit for the performance of teams that are migrating or moving in to their conference. That's another important element of the consideration as we go forward.

<a href='http://www.bcsfootball.org/news.cfm?headline=53' target='_blank'>It hurts, I know!</a>

I wasn't a math major but could someone work out a formula for me where 2004 + 4 years =2006? That would be great. Also, going off the last bolded section, the BE currently has a ranked 10th.

Quote:Sure it kills us because no RBE team has graced the top 10 in the last decade - C-USA has two who have done that while in C-USA (or add marshall and you have 3)

Man, I swear people on here love to talk out of their @ss.


<a href='http://www.soonerstats.com/fb/polls/ap/seasons.cfm?SeasonID=2004&APPollID=910' target='_blank'>West Virginia was ranked 6th just earlier this year</a>

<a href='http://www.soonerstats.com/fb/polls/ap/seasons.cfm?SeasonID=2003&APPollID=892' target='_blank'>Pittsburgh ranked #9 just last year</a>

<a href='http://www.soonerstats.com/fb/polls/ap/seasons.cfm?SeasonID=1996&APPollID=770' target='_blank'>Syracuse ranked 9th in 96'</a>


And since you are counting Louisville along with Tulane even though Louisville is leaving does the Big East get the benefit of the doubt the same way and get to count Miami and Virginia Tech?

That wouldn't work in C-USA's favor so maybe you wanna leave out Louisville and count Marshall? If that's the case Louisville should count toward the NBE if you're gonna do it like that.

Either way you are WRONG.



It's the freakin internet. you can't just make up something and say it like you know it's a fact. All it takes is a few minutes of google searching and someone can get the right answer.

MongoSlade Wrote:Off-topic, but is that a "camel toe" I see in Derby's signature?

I'm glad I'm not the only one who noticed that...

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Sure it kills us because no RBE team has graced the top 10 in the last decade - C-USA has two who have done that while in C-USA (or add marshall and you have 3)


Man, I swear people on here love to talk out of their @ss.


West Virginia was ranked 6th just earlier this year

Pittsburgh ranked #9 just last year

Syracuse ranked 9th in 96'

Dude, those are in-season polls....the only one that counts is at the end of the year. You don't wow many recruits by saying "Hey....we were the #6 team in the country during week 5. ":rolleyes:

The last time WVU finished in the Top 10 was 1993.

The last time Syracuse finished in the Top 10 was 1992

The last time Pitt finished in the Top 10 was 1981

The last time Louisville finished in the Top 10 was...well, never. Same with Rutgers.

Cincy, USF, and UConn have never finished ranked in any 1-A poll.

Quote:You don't wow many recruits by saying "Hey....we were the #6 team in the country during week 5. "

But recruits are lining up to have the chance to play on ESPN-7 to be seen against teams like Rice and SMU. Nice replacement for losing your conference champ.

Quote: Cincy, USF, and UConn have never finished ranked in any 1-A poll.

Neither has one of your "SOLID" programs that is that powerhouse Memphis Tiger football program. They've only been ranked ONE WEEK EVER...and they dropped out the next week after nearly losing to Arkansas St.