During the regular season, it’s easier for a coach to maintain mental energy from week to week. But nutty things happen during that 3-4 week span leading up to bowl season.

Like that Blade article suggests, was UT more on a “vacation” having reached their first MACC goal in 13 years?

And this isn’t to pick on Toledo. MAC schools in general have more difficulty keeping their focus up, hence our bad record in bowl seasons. Maybe the sun and fun hypnotize the cold northern kids more where the southern kids shake it off. I don’t know.

If this were Game 3 in September, sure, ASU would’ve still likely won. But by nowhere near 34.

(12-24-2017 08:06 PM)T-Town Wrote:  

(12-24-2017 02:37 PM)App75 Wrote:  

(12-23-2017 10:40 PM)NIU17 Wrote:  

(12-23-2017 10:32 PM)Toledo Football 1st Wrote:  

(12-23-2017 10:30 PM)Motown Bronco Wrote:  Man, sorry guys, not sure what to say. You guys sure aren’t 5 TDs worse than ASU.

I’ve got a ton of respect for Candle, but wow, whatever mental prep he applied didn’t work by a mile.

Thanks, man. We don't get it either.

+100 - None of this makes sense.

Uh I'd say UT is 5 tds worse than App. Our speed on D killed.

While Appy State was definitely 5 scores better than the Rockets in that particular game, you are drawing a lot of sweeping generations from one game and extending them beyond where they may be valid. The Rocket offense put up 30 points against a nationally ranked Miami Hurricane defense. So, are you also going to extrapolate that one game to conclude that the Appy State's Defense is 30 points per game better than Miami of Florida? Learn how to be a gracious winner and save your chest thumping for your own board.

Did any Toledo fans set them off prior to the game?

I only ask this because the main MAC board is flooded with App State trolling. That, coupled with their own *players* carrying those signs after the game, they act like they’ve never won anything before.

Honestly I was scared about this game. Offensively we are just good enough to beat teams. When this defense is clicking like the last half of the season there are no teams that know what to do and it shows. Woody will most likely be gone as Georgia tech is courting.

(12-24-2017 08:20 PM)Motown Bronco Wrote:  

(12-24-2017 08:06 PM)T-Town Wrote:  

(12-24-2017 02:37 PM)App75 Wrote:  

(12-23-2017 10:40 PM)NIU17 Wrote:  

(12-23-2017 10:32 PM)Toledo Football 1st Wrote:  Thanks, man. We don't get it either.

+100 - None of this makes sense.

Uh I'd say UT is 5 tds worse than App. Our speed on D killed.

While Appy State was definitely 5 scores better than the Rockets in that particular game, you are drawing a lot of sweeping generations from one game and extending them beyond where they may be valid. The Rocket offense put up 30 points against a nationally ranked Miami Hurricane defense. So, are you also going to extrapolate that one game to conclude that the Appy State's Defense is 30 points per game better than Miami of Florida? Learn how to be a gracious winner and save your chest thumping for your own board.

Did any Toledo fans set them off prior to the game?

I only ask this because the main MAC board is flooded with App State trolling. That, coupled with their own *players* carrying those signs after the game, they act like they’ve never won anything before.

Short answer, yes. There were plenty of posts from Toledo fans talking about how they deserved a better team than the school of the blind (App) and other things similar to that. I know that those posters make up a very small margin of Toledo fans. Just like the App fans talking trash after the game make up a small margin of App fans. I do apologize for any harsh comments coming y'alls way from any App fans. As much as I wish everyone could be a gracious winner or loser I can't just snap my fingers and make it so. It's even harder to control all your fans when they are pumped up after a victory.

Anyway, please know that the trash talkers only make up a small percentage of App fans. And I do sincerely apologize for any negative interactions with any of our fanbase.

No harm no foul. ASU fans should be proud of their team, and the impressive victory. Toledo historically struggles against teams with an athletic QB (um ... NIU, OU). The defense played the pretty well, considering the offense was never given the opportunity for some rhythm. ASU destroyed Toledo's run game, passing attack, and special teams play. Hats off to ASU's plan and execution. Toledo will be fine and have a nice season next year. Happy Holidays.

I'm glad I totally checked out for the football season after the 3rd qtr of the MACC.
Sitting through that 4th qtr at Ford Field was agonizing and I was in no mood for a crappy bowl game after we finally got another championship.


The team and a lot of fans started the official off-season before the MACC was even over.

MAC Championship is much more important for recruiting than a bowl win.

An access bowl requires a MAC Championship first and therefore the act of obtaining a MAC Championship speaks to the prospective ability of a program to reach an access bowl.

Ohio's whipping of UAB is nice for the fans but doesn't do anything for us out on the trail.

(12-24-2017 08:20 PM)Motown Bronco Wrote:  

(12-24-2017 08:06 PM)T-Town Wrote:  

(12-24-2017 02:37 PM)App75 Wrote:  

(12-23-2017 10:40 PM)NIU17 Wrote:  

(12-23-2017 10:32 PM)Toledo Football 1st Wrote:  Thanks, man. We don't get it either.

+100 - None of this makes sense.

Uh I'd say UT is 5 tds worse than App. Our speed on D killed.

While Appy State was definitely 5 scores better than the Rockets in that particular game, you are drawing a lot of sweeping generations from one game and extending them beyond where they may be valid. The Rocket offense put up 30 points against a nationally ranked Miami Hurricane defense. So, are you also going to extrapolate that one game to conclude that the Appy State's Defense is 30 points per game better than Miami of Florida? Learn how to be a gracious winner and save your chest thumping for your own board.

Did any Toledo fans set them off prior to the game?

I only ask this because the main MAC board is flooded with App State trolling. That, coupled with their own *players* carrying those signs after the game, they act like they’ve never won anything before.

The arrogance of a couple UT fans that trolled the App Board set us off. I dont think any App fans started Bowl season saying we deserved a better opponent or predicted a blowout in fact just the opposite...So pardon us if we thump our chest. We earned it.

(12-27-2017 12:19 PM)App75 Wrote:  

(12-24-2017 08:20 PM)Motown Bronco Wrote:  

(12-24-2017 08:06 PM)T-Town Wrote:  

(12-24-2017 02:37 PM)App75 Wrote:  

(12-23-2017 10:40 PM)NIU17 Wrote:  +100 - None of this makes sense.

Uh I'd say UT is 5 tds worse than App. Our speed on D killed.

While Appy State was definitely 5 scores better than the Rockets in that particular game, you are drawing a lot of sweeping generations from one game and extending them beyond where they may be valid. The Rocket offense put up 30 points against a nationally ranked Miami Hurricane defense. So, are you also going to extrapolate that one game to conclude that the Appy State's Defense is 30 points per game better than Miami of Florida? Learn how to be a gracious winner and save your chest thumping for your own board.

Did any Toledo fans set them off prior to the game?

I only ask this because the main MAC board is flooded with App State trolling. That, coupled with their own *players* carrying those signs after the game, they act like they’ve never won anything before.

The arrogance of a couple UT fans that trolled the App Board set us off. I dont think any App fans started Bowl season saying we deserved a better opponent or predicted a blowout in fact just the opposite...So pardon us if we thump our chest. We earned it.

Oh and ask your players about trash talk pregame and in the 1st Quarter...That is why the players grabbed some cardboard and a marker and put the sign up.

(12-27-2017 12:22 PM)App75 Wrote:  

(12-27-2017 12:19 PM)App75 Wrote:  

(12-24-2017 08:20 PM)Motown Bronco Wrote:  

(12-24-2017 08:06 PM)T-Town Wrote:  

(12-24-2017 02:37 PM)App75 Wrote:  Uh I'd say UT is 5 tds worse than App. Our speed on D killed.

While Appy State was definitely 5 scores better than the Rockets in that particular game, you are drawing a lot of sweeping generations from one game and extending them beyond where they may be valid. The Rocket offense put up 30 points against a nationally ranked Miami Hurricane defense. So, are you also going to extrapolate that one game to conclude that the Appy State's Defense is 30 points per game better than Miami of Florida? Learn how to be a gracious winner and save your chest thumping for your own board.

Did any Toledo fans set them off prior to the game?

I only ask this because the main MAC board is flooded with App State trolling. That, coupled with their own *players* carrying those signs after the game, they act like they’ve never won anything before.

The arrogance of a couple UT fans that trolled the App Board set us off. I dont think any App fans started Bowl season saying we deserved a better opponent or predicted a blowout in fact just the opposite...So pardon us if we thump our chest. We earned it.

Oh and ask your players about trash talk pregame and in the 1st Quarter...That is why the players grabbed some cardboard and a marker and put the sign up.

Well, thanks for some background on it; I'm not a Toledo fan (though I obviously rooted for them for the MAC) so I didn't follow things too closely. Although I'm guessing the UT side probably has a different perspective on things.

(12-25-2017 03:10 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  MAC Championship is much more important for recruiting than a bowl win.

An access bowl requires a MAC Championship first and therefore the act of obtaining a MAC Championship speaks to the prospective ability of a program to reach an access bowl.

Ohio's whipping of UAB is nice for the fans but doesn't do anything for us out on the trail.

I don't think it's as black n' white. Everything contributes to program perception in some fashion. Not that I think any UT signees are second guessing their decision based on that one game. But when you're on ESPN (not 2 or 3 or U) and the only game on the telly, you really want to shine.

(12-24-2017 08:06 PM)T-Town Wrote:  

(12-24-2017 02:37 PM)App75 Wrote:  

(12-23-2017 10:40 PM)NIU17 Wrote:  

(12-23-2017 10:32 PM)Toledo Football 1st Wrote:  

(12-23-2017 10:30 PM)Motown Bronco Wrote:  Man, sorry guys, not sure what to say. You guys sure aren’t 5 TDs worse than ASU.

I’ve got a ton of respect for Candle, but wow, whatever mental prep he applied didn’t work by a mile.

Thanks, man. We don't get it either.

+100 - None of this makes sense.

Uh I'd say UT is 5 tds worse than App. Our speed on D killed.

While Appy State was definitely 5 scores better than the Rockets in that particular game, you are drawing a lot of sweeping generalizations from one game and extending them beyond where they may be valid. The Rocket offense put up 30 points against a nationally ranked Miami Hurricane defense. So, are you also going to extrapolate that one game to conclude that the Appy State's Defense is 30 points per game better than Miami of Florida? Learn how to be a gracious winner and save your chest thumping for your own board.

And it's Appalachian or App State.... not Appy.... This is the disrespect that gets your board trolled

(12-27-2017 08:23 PM)App75 Wrote:  

(12-24-2017 08:06 PM)T-Town Wrote:  

(12-24-2017 02:37 PM)App75 Wrote:  

(12-23-2017 10:40 PM)NIU17 Wrote:  

(12-23-2017 10:32 PM)Toledo Football 1st Wrote:  Thanks, man. We don't get it either.

+100 - None of this makes sense.

Uh I'd say UT is 5 tds worse than App. Our speed on D killed.

While Appy State was definitely 5 scores better than the Rockets in that particular game, you are drawing a lot of sweeping generalizations from one game and extending them beyond where they may be valid. The Rocket offense put up 30 points against a nationally ranked Miami Hurricane defense. So, are you also going to extrapolate that one game to conclude that the Appy State's Defense is 30 points per game better than Miami of Florida? Learn how to be a gracious winner and save your chest thumping for your own board.

And it's Appalachian or App State.... not Appy.... This is the disrespect that gets your board trolled

"A rose by any other name would smell as sweet."

(12-27-2017 08:23 PM)App75 Wrote:  

(12-24-2017 08:06 PM)T-Town Wrote:  

(12-24-2017 02:37 PM)App75 Wrote:  

(12-23-2017 10:40 PM)NIU17 Wrote:  

(12-23-2017 10:32 PM)Toledo Football 1st Wrote:  Thanks, man. We don't get it either.

+100 - None of this makes sense.

Uh I'd say UT is 5 tds worse than App. Our speed on D killed.

While Appy State was definitely 5 scores better than the Rockets in that particular game, you are drawing a lot of sweeping generalizations from one game and extending them beyond where they may be valid. The Rocket offense put up 30 points against a nationally ranked Miami Hurricane defense. So, are you also going to extrapolate that one game to conclude that the Appy State's Defense is 30 points per game better than Miami of Florida? Learn how to be a gracious winner and save your chest thumping for your own board.

And it's Appalachian or App State.... not Appy.... This is the disrespect that gets your board trolled

Sorry, but years ago when Marshall first came back into the MAC for the second time they would often talk about their recent days in DII and many often referred to "Appy State" so that is what I assumed you were called. The name is too long to spell out and if I use "ASU" around here it would have a similar effect to you calling Toledo "UT" (which we often do here) in Boone---everyone would think you were talking about Tennessee. However, since I DON"T frequent your boards, if you simply reciprocate and keep yourself off of this board you be definitely not offended by me. Otherwise thicken your skin or maybe (?) in your case continue to enjoy the fulfillment of grasping the sacred cloak of victimization and reveling in any disrespect----perceived or real, intended or not ----that comes your way.

(12-27-2017 08:23 PM)App75 Wrote:  

(12-24-2017 08:06 PM)T-Town Wrote:  

(12-24-2017 02:37 PM)App75 Wrote:  

(12-23-2017 10:40 PM)NIU17 Wrote:  

(12-23-2017 10:32 PM)Toledo Football 1st Wrote:  Thanks, man. We don't get it either.

+100 - None of this makes sense.

Uh I'd say UT is 5 tds worse than App. Our speed on D killed.

While Appy State was definitely 5 scores better than the Rockets in that particular game, you are drawing a lot of sweeping generalizations from one game and extending them beyond where they may be valid. The Rocket offense put up 30 points against a nationally ranked Miami Hurricane defense. So, are you also going to extrapolate that one game to conclude that the Appy State's Defense is 30 points per game better than Miami of Florida? Learn how to be a gracious winner and save your chest thumping for your own board.

And it's Appalachian or App State.... not Appy.... This is the disrespect that gets your board trolled

The worst part about losing that bad to App State is that average football fans around Toledo were just starting to take UT seriously. I frequently hear "How did Toledo lose to Appy App State?" Most people around here don't even know that Appala U is no longer FCS. Even my Great Grand Appy was upset. He fought in the great App Trail Wars, when the Appalachians fought the Seminoles. The Apps were outnumbered, but they fought with courage from their entrenched positions that were often referred to as "holes" in the old country. My Great Grand Appy said that to this day, people remember and still celebrate the brave Appholes of the old country.

(12-24-2017 08:06 PM)T-Town Wrote:  

(12-24-2017 02:37 PM)App75 Wrote:  

(12-23-2017 10:40 PM)NIU17 Wrote:  

(12-23-2017 10:32 PM)Toledo Football 1st Wrote:  

(12-23-2017 10:30 PM)Motown Bronco Wrote:  Man, sorry guys, not sure what to say. You guys sure aren’t 5 TDs worse than ASU.

I’ve got a ton of respect for Candle, but wow, whatever mental prep he applied didn’t work by a mile.

Thanks, man. We don't get it either.

+100 - None of this makes sense.

Uh I'd say UT is 5 tds worse than App. Our speed on D killed.

While Appy State was definitely 5 scores better than the Rockets in that particular game, you are drawing a lot of sweeping generalizations from one game and extending them beyond where they may be valid. The Rocket offense put up 30 points against a nationally ranked Miami Hurricane defense. So, are you also going to extrapolate that one game to conclude that the Appy State's Defense is 30 points per game better than Miami of Florida? Learn how to be a gracious winner and save your chest thumping for your own board.

Starters from the Miami game that did not play against App State:
LG Yazeed Atariwa
RG Chandler Cotterman
WR Cody Thompson
DE Tuzar Skipper
SS Jordan Williams
DE Olasunkanmi Adeniyi not available first half.

Forgot about losing Skipper. Seemed like he was out most of the year - what game was he hurt in? I remember hearing he would not qualify for a medical waiver, but he went out fairly early in the year as well. Had to be right around the EMU game as well.

Saw him on the sidelines at the MACC and let's just say he has an NFL body. I'm betting he dominated in the weight room as well with the "gun" collection he has

(12-27-2017 11:52 PM)falconplucker Wrote:  

(12-27-2017 08:23 PM)App75 Wrote:  

(12-24-2017 08:06 PM)T-Town Wrote:  

(12-24-2017 02:37 PM)App75 Wrote:  

(12-23-2017 10:40 PM)NIU17 Wrote:  +100 - None of this makes sense.

Uh I'd say UT is 5 tds worse than App. Our speed on D killed.

While Appy State was definitely 5 scores better than the Rockets in that particular game, you are drawing a lot of sweeping generalizations from one game and extending them beyond where they may be valid. The Rocket offense put up 30 points against a nationally ranked Miami Hurricane defense. So, are you also going to extrapolate that one game to conclude that the Appy State's Defense is 30 points per game better than Miami of Florida? Learn how to be a gracious winner and save your chest thumping for your own board.

And it's Appalachian or App State.... not Appy.... This is the disrespect that gets your board trolled

The worst part about losing that bad to App State is that average football fans around Toledo were just starting to take UT seriously. I frequently hear "How did Toledo lose to Appy App State?" Most people around here don't even know that Appala U is no longer FCS. Even my Great Grand Appy was upset. He fought in the great App Trail Wars, when the Appalachians fought the Seminoles. The Apps were outnumbered, but they fought with courage from their entrenched positions that were often referred to as "holes" in the old country. My Great Grand Appy said that to this day, people remember and still celebrate the brave Appholes of the old country.

How appypro.

(12-28-2017 11:00 AM)Toledo Football 1st Wrote:  

(12-27-2017 11:52 PM)falconplucker Wrote:  

(12-27-2017 08:23 PM)App75 Wrote:  

(12-24-2017 08:06 PM)T-Town Wrote:  

(12-24-2017 02:37 PM)App75 Wrote:  Uh I'd say UT is 5 tds worse than App. Our speed on D killed.

While Appy State was definitely 5 scores better than the Rockets in that particular game, you are drawing a lot of sweeping generalizations from one game and extending them beyond where they may be valid. The Rocket offense put up 30 points against a nationally ranked Miami Hurricane defense. So, are you also going to extrapolate that one game to conclude that the Appy State's Defense is 30 points per game better than Miami of Florida? Learn how to be a gracious winner and save your chest thumping for your own board.

And it's Appalachian or App State.... not Appy.... This is the disrespect that gets your board trolled

The worst part about losing that bad to App State is that average football fans around Toledo were just starting to take UT seriously. I frequently hear "How did Toledo lose to Appy App State?" Most people around here don't even know that Appala U is no longer FCS. Even my Great Grand Appy was upset. He fought in the great App Trail Wars, when the Appalachians fought the Seminoles. The Apps were outnumbered, but they fought with courage from their entrenched positions that were often referred to as "holes" in the old country. My Great Grand Appy said that to this day, people remember and still celebrate the brave Appholes of the old country.

How appypro.

No mention of Blowing Rock?

This bowl performance is so bad we have completely stopped talking about basketball. Maybe Candle is doing TK a favor. I say somewhat in gest