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Sad how these bowl games are not well contested on both sides (MAC hasn't had a well contested bowl game. All four have been blowouts, including Ohio's win.)

If these teams had played in September they'd probably be much better games. Strange.
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(12-23-2017 10:49 PM)Motown Bronco Wrote:  
(12-23-2017 10:45 PM)DeanoAPP Wrote:  
(12-23-2017 10:26 PM)Motown Bronco Wrote:  The more these years go on, the more I think our northern MAC teams adopt a “just happy to be there” mentality in bowl games. Not just UT and not just this year, not picking on them. Those southern schools shake off the sun and fun and come to play.

Appalachian State is better than Toledo? Yes.

But when I see a 5 TD margin along with a goose egg for UT, something else is going on too. Frustrating for MAC fans - and certainly those traveling across the country - wanting to watch a game where all players are at full intensity.

We are collectively a pretty bad conference, sure, but something happens in late December where we really look Pop Warner.


I can remember when APP came into the Sun Belt and many people talked about how bad the Sun Belt was compared to conferences like the MAC, this game shows that not only is there little to no separation but that an 8 win Sun Belt team can dominate the MAC conference champ 11 win team, wow screw the experts right?

“Many people” talked about how much better the MAC is than Sun Belt? Not sure how much I’m buying that. Maybe you’re confusing us with the CUSA folks who are bigger rivals within your geography. It happens, but I don’t often see MAC fans puffing their chests out over any conference. Even the higher end FCS ones.

Certainly I am not sure who said it but I have heard MAC folks talk about talent and academics when it comes to MAC versus Sun Belt, if you look at 247 sports recruiting you will see the MAC outperforming the Sun Belt in recruiting standards,. I guess we just have better coaching to overcome such deficits.
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(12-23-2017 11:00 PM)DeanoAPP Wrote:  
(12-23-2017 10:49 PM)Motown Bronco Wrote:  
(12-23-2017 10:45 PM)DeanoAPP Wrote:  
(12-23-2017 10:26 PM)Motown Bronco Wrote:  The more these years go on, the more I think our northern MAC teams adopt a “just happy to be there” mentality in bowl games. Not just UT and not just this year, not picking on them. Those southern schools shake off the sun and fun and come to play.

Appalachian State is better than Toledo? Yes.

But when I see a 5 TD margin along with a goose egg for UT, something else is going on too. Frustrating for MAC fans - and certainly those traveling across the country - wanting to watch a game where all players are at full intensity.

We are collectively a pretty bad conference, sure, but something happens in late December where we really look Pop Warner.


I can remember when APP came into the Sun Belt and many people talked about how bad the Sun Belt was compared to conferences like the MAC, this game shows that not only is there little to no separation but that an 8 win Sun Belt team can dominate the MAC conference champ 11 win team, wow screw the experts right?

“Many people” talked about how much better the MAC is than Sun Belt? Not sure how much I’m buying that. Maybe you’re confusing us with the CUSA folks who are bigger rivals within your geography. It happens, but I don’t often see MAC fans puffing their chests out over any conference. Even the higher end FCS ones.

Certainly I am not sure who said it but I have heard MAC folks talk about talent and academics when it comes to MAC versus Sun Belt, if you look at 247 sports recruiting you will see the MAC outperforming the Sun Belt in recruiting standards,. I guess we just have better coaching to overcome such deficits.

Or perhaps a better eye for talent instead of relying on a bogus rating system That MVP tonight had NO stars out of high school.
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Im a bit worried about UToledoFans...he has disappeared and might need some friends.
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For all rocket fans, suggest some good tequila to salt those open wounds.
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(12-23-2017 10:42 PM)MacLord Wrote:  As a MAC fan, that was a disgrace. MAC teams have had coaches poached before right at bowl time, and that's a fair excuse if excuses are your thing, but this coach just signed the richest deal in league history. And the team looked nervous, frightened and slow. And to come here on and have a Rocket fan give the excuse that they just weren't interested, man that don't cut it, so I don't blame ASU fans for responding to that with a bit of deserved vitriol. You play to not get shut out, if nothing else. Anyway, congrats Mountaineers. The vast majority of UT fans would just say you simply kicked their behind.

Could it be that the MAC tends to garner more credit than is actually due? All I know is we're 5 years out of FCS and 4-0 vs the MAC. MAC fans buy into and promote the hype they're heads and shoulders better than the SB & CUSA. You aren't. I certainly didn't come here looking for a fight and I hate to say this, but the arrogance it fairly obvious.
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(12-23-2017 11:22 PM)Steve1981 Wrote:  For all rocket fans, suggest some good tequila to salt those open wounds.

01-ncaabbs Congrats Rockets on 11 wins this year. Just wasn't the night for y'all tonight for whatever reason.04-rock
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Tonight was atrociously embarrassing. That being said, the MAC has 48 non-conference regular season games versus a handful for bowls every year, I'll put more weight on those than a few exhibitions when forming a well rounded opinion over conference strength. And just remember who the G5 rep was last year and how many the Sun Belt and C-USA have sent...
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(12-23-2017 11:27 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  
(12-23-2017 10:42 PM)MacLord Wrote:  As a MAC fan, that was a disgrace. MAC teams have had coaches poached before right at bowl time, and that's a fair excuse if excuses are your thing, but this coach just signed the richest deal in league history. And the team looked nervous, frightened and slow. And to come here on and have a Rocket fan give the excuse that they just weren't interested, man that don't cut it, so I don't blame ASU fans for responding to that with a bit of deserved vitriol. You play to not get shut out, if nothing else. Anyway, congrats Mountaineers. The vast majority of UT fans would just say you simply kicked their behind.

Could it be that the MAC tends to garner more credit than is actually due? All I know is we're 5 years out of FCS and 4-0 vs the MAC. MAC fans buy into and promote the hype they're heads and shoulders better than the SB & CUSA. You aren't. I certainly didn't come here looking for a fight and I hate to say this, but the arrogance it fairly obvious.

We don’t consider ourselves head and shoulders above ConfUSA or SunBelt. Do we have years where we wish some of our teams competed in a P5 conference in order to possibly get a higher rated bowl? Of course. Toledo along with NIU and WMU have been getting more national respect because of 10 wins or more seasons which leads to talks of going to a P5 conference which leads to eventually a letdown to bring us back to reality. Toledo fans have no problem playing SunBelt teams. You’re making stuff up.
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(12-23-2017 11:44 PM)Rocket_Fanatic Wrote:  
(12-23-2017 11:27 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  Could it be that the MAC tends to garner more credit than is actually due? All I know is we're 5 years out of FCS and 4-0 vs the MAC. MAC fans buy into and promote the hype they're heads and shoulders better than the SB & CUSA. You aren't. I certainly didn't come here looking for a fight and I hate to say this, but the arrogance it fairly obvious.

We don’t consider ourselves head and shoulders above ConfUSA or SunBelt. Do we have years where we wish some of our teams competed in a P5 conference in order to possibly get a higher rated bowl? Of course. Toledo along with NIU and WMU have been getting more national respect because of 10 wins or more seasons which leads to talks of going to a P5 conference which leads to eventually a letdown to bring us back to reality. Toledo fans have no problem playing SunBelt teams. You’re making stuff up.


That's gotta be all in his mind. I mean, I'm sure there are people who haven't always spoken highly of the Sun Belt on message boards. And any of our conferences would honestly prefer to show what we could do against the "big boys" in bowl games, given a choice. But none of us MAC fans could look at our bowl record over the past 5-6 years and feel anything approaching arrogance.
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(12-23-2017 09:44 PM)Rocket_Fanatic Wrote:  Embarassing. Candle owes a lot of apologies for this pne

It’s who he is. Played a bunch of nobodies and got pounded into the dirt by 3 of the teams with a pulse. Toledo rewarded him with a new contract for letting teams run over his D and having an unimaginative offense. That was the exact same game I watched in Athens when Ohio U kept its pimp hand strong.
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(12-23-2017 09:18 PM)rocketinchitown Wrote:  To be honest, no. We could care less to play you guys. And that's what makes this beat down worse.

You guys are young, your fanbase is spirited. We could have cared less to play the same team for a second straight year.

you guys smacking us around doesn't prove anything.

Pretty sure App should've been the team that felt slighted considering the outcome of last year's game. Not to mention App also could've cared less because they were also playing the same team a second time.

If any of what you argue is true Candle shouldn't have been extended.
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It’s like when you’d race your brother to the car after a trip to McDonald’s. If you won you’d sure take the glory. If you lost you’d pull up short and say, “I wasn’t really racing.”
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Well, to be fair, I must give Candle 2 separate grades to balance his last couple weeks of work on the job - while I have to give him an F on preparing his team for the bowl matchup, I must see both sides and give him an A+ for signing that contract extension.
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(12-24-2017 09:17 AM)MacLord Wrote:  It’s like when you’d race your brother to the car after a trip to McDonald’s. If you won you’d sure take the glory. If you lost you’d pull up short and say, “I wasn’t really racing.”

Which shows the emotional maturity of about a 7 year old. To discount Apps dismantling of Toledos offense in this game by saying "but Toledo didn't want to play App again" without taking into account App also playing Toledo again is asinine. App now has 3 bowl wins in 3 years of eligibility, ultimately surpassing Mrashall and Boise for successful transitions to FBS. App was the first program to win a bowl game in their first year of eligibility, the first to win 2, and now 3. That is a streak that possibly only North Dakota State or James Madison have the ponies to match.

Let it be known that in the transition year in 2014 App was also eligible but couldn't play per NCAA rules.
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For those that missed the pinned post about smack talk. Here is what GTS posted. Please keep it somewhat respectable. I don't want to close this thread. Thanks.

Just know that you will be expected to behave here. Yes, there are some trollish and/or irrational posts making fun of (insert other team from another conference or another conference here). If you are bothered so much by this, just start a thread mocking them on (insert other team from another conference or another conference here) board. You can debate the validity of their claims. But smack back will just rile the natives up against you. There is a smack board specifically here as a subforum for you to throw poo back "on their turf" if you want. But keep the main board here classy, even if you have to fake it, and even if the locals don't reciprocate.
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(12-24-2017 10:01 AM)TAW92 Wrote:  Well, to be fair, I must give Candle 2 separate grades to balance his last couple weeks of work on the job - while I have to give him an F on preparing his team for the bowl matchup, I must see both sides and give him an A+ for signing that contract extension.

F- for the Bowl prep. Coach and staff need to accept blame for the loss. After that move on. Total apology to the MAC for the way the Conference was represented last night.
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(12-24-2017 09:12 AM)ericsaid Wrote:  
(12-23-2017 09:18 PM)rocketinchitown Wrote:  To be honest, no. We could care less to play you guys. And that's what makes this beat down worse.

You guys are young, your fanbase is spirited. We could have cared less to play the same team for a second straight year.

you guys smacking us around doesn't prove anything.

Pretty sure App should've been the team that felt slighted considering the outcome of last year's game. Not to mention App also could've cared less because they were also playing the same team a second time.

If any of what you argue is true Candle shouldn't have been extended.

It should have been extended because Toledo won its first Conference Championship since 2004. It was done with lot of season ending injuries(14) including the loss of an All MAC WR, top 3 OG's, 2 of the 3 DE's on the depth chart(Right where UT was most vulnerable last night). A MACC in Candle's 2nd as HC is pretty darn good. There are other MAC HC's that have won National Championships that have yet to win a MACC. Candle is upgrading the talent at UT. Particularly on the OL and Defensive front 7. It bodes well for the Rockets' future inspite of last night's trainwreck. Time to finish recruiting and get ready for Winter workouts. Congrats to App State for an excellent game.

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I'm glad it's possible for both sides to apparently care less than they did about playing each other again, so they both must have cared some. You would think they could not care less, but apparently they do care! That's nice.
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(12-24-2017 11:06 AM)axeme Wrote:  I'm glad it's possible for both sides to apparently care less than they did about playing each other again, so they both must have cared some. You would think they could not care less, but apparently they do care! That's nice.

I would actually like to have a home and home with App State. They are a good program with a good Coach. Any time you can get a quality opponent on the schedule I'm all for that.
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