End it, anytime Liberty is brought up this is what happens.....

(12-23-2017 03:31 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(12-23-2017 03:15 PM)CardinalBlackTrojan Wrote:  

(12-23-2017 12:16 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(12-23-2017 12:05 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  Wow, this is a war against all those groups? Hard stop - life’s too short to make everything political.

Have a Merry Christmas.

Easy for you to say, if you aren't being discriminated against. And your community isn't paying millions per year to have discrimination against you be furthered.

Maybe if Liberty didn't make everything political and attacking on everyone else, they wouldn't be such a lightening rod. Everything they do is political. Affirm them and affirm their political agenda.

I repeat my question....for the millions of dollars each year that LGBT people, non-Christians, the foreign born, etc. spend to subsidize your program.....what do THEY get in return for that non-voluntary payment? At Georgia Southern and Troy, they get to see that money used to affirm even MORE discrimination against them.

So Georgia Southern and Troy are affirming discrimination?

Did you really just go there???

Troy's been doing it for years.....remember that special taxpayer funded dorm they set up? I do. Did they build a special building for the LGBT kids? Of course they didn't. Given that history I fully expected Troy to be an early supporter of Liberty's program. And they didn't disappoint, even working with a bunch of other schools to make sure that they'd get to endorse them.

Quit blowing crap out of your rump hole. That dorm you speak of, which is open to all Troy students (despite what liberal media outlets that are nowhere near Troy will tell you), was built, operated, and 100% funded by the Troy University Foundation, which is a non-profit organization funded solely by private donations.

It's not a "special taxpayer funded" dorm. If it was, you know as well as I do that the FFRA would've stopped it in its tracks.

(12-23-2017 04:22 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Why not just schedule Kent State. Easy win and no fuss.

You're making up something that isn't there. There is no fuss from any students or faculty from any of the schools on Liberty's schedule. Liberty's FOOTBALL TEAM playing on someone's campus causes no harm whatsoever.

So either way, it still is likely an easy win with no fuss.

You also still fail to understand how scheduling works in an athletic department. You don't just call up Kent State or Charlotte and schedule an easy game. A lot of times you take what you can get depending on the years.

I'm curious... what if USA winds up scheduling Liberty?

(12-23-2017 05:16 PM)CardinalBlackTrojan Wrote:  

(12-23-2017 04:22 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Why not just schedule Kent State. Easy win and no fuss.

You're making up something that isn't there. There is no fuss from any students or faculty from any of the schools on Liberty's schedule. Liberty's FOOTBALL TEAM playing on someone's campus causes no harm whatsoever.

So either way, it still is likely an easy win with no fuss.

You also still fail to understand how scheduling works in an athletic department. You don't just call up Kent State or Charlotte and schedule an easy game. A lot of times you take what you can get depending on the years.

I'm curious... what if USA winds up scheduling Liberty?

They'd lose a multiple 7 figure bequest within 10 minutes of it hitting FBS schedules. And after I called my estate attorney and the University, I'd make some other calls.

(12-23-2017 05:10 PM)CardinalBlackTrojan Wrote:  

(12-23-2017 03:31 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(12-23-2017 03:15 PM)CardinalBlackTrojan Wrote:  

(12-23-2017 12:16 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(12-23-2017 12:05 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  Wow, this is a war against all those groups? Hard stop - life’s too short to make everything political.

Have a Merry Christmas.

Easy for you to say, if you aren't being discriminated against. And your community isn't paying millions per year to have discrimination against you be furthered.

Maybe if Liberty didn't make everything political and attacking on everyone else, they wouldn't be such a lightening rod. Everything they do is political. Affirm them and affirm their political agenda.

I repeat my question....for the millions of dollars each year that LGBT people, non-Christians, the foreign born, etc. spend to subsidize your program.....what do THEY get in return for that non-voluntary payment? At Georgia Southern and Troy, they get to see that money used to affirm even MORE discrimination against them.

So Georgia Southern and Troy are affirming discrimination?

Did you really just go there???

Troy's been doing it for years.....remember that special taxpayer funded dorm they set up? I do. Did they build a special building for the LGBT kids? Of course they didn't. Given that history I fully expected Troy to be an early supporter of Liberty's program. And they didn't disappoint, even working with a bunch of other schools to make sure that they'd get to endorse them.

Quit blowing crap out of your rump hole. That dorm you speak of, which is open to all Troy students (despite what liberal media outlets that are nowhere near Troy will tell you), was built, operated, and 100% funded by the Troy University Foundation, which is a non-profit organization funded solely by private donations.

It's not a "special taxpayer funded" dorm. If it was, you know as well as I do that the FFRA would've stopped it in its tracks.

And what is the Troy University Foundation? Is it run by the school? https://www.troy.edu/development/foundation/ Looks like The Troy University Foundation IS Troy University. The website for the foundation, hosted by Troy University, directs people to a Troy University employee for questions. It looks like the President of the Foundation is....The President of Troy University. So the University went out and solicited funds to build it (or some of the funds, no idea if they just took general donations to the foundation to build it). Nice diversity on that board btw. LOL. Is Troy going to create another Foundation and staff it with taxpayer funded staff, earning government benefits, to run it and solicit donations to it?

BTW, did the foundation pay Troy for the land it sits on? Is Troy giving the LGBT groups some free land (the Foundation, an entity of Troy University, leased it to a religious group for 1 dollar a year on a 25 year lease - I'll call that free - and then built it with the Foundation's money) on your campus? Is the Troy University Foundation, which appears to be part of the school, planning on doing anything specifically geared towards non-religious/LGBT students like they did for the evangelicals? Are they going to restrict some RA positions for people who can't get a position in that new hall because they're not religious?

And lets be clear, the dorm's scholarship benefits were originally sold as being open to only those that are from a faith.

Is your University hosted foundation planning on building any buildings specifically for the benefit of athiests and LGBT folks? I didn't think so.

An absolute and complete scandal that dorm was.

BTW, USA has policies in place to specifically prohibit that type of use of Endowment/Foundation funds. Its a shame Troy doesn't.

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And then, do you remember how Liberty got on your schedule? Didn't y'all have to coordinate with a couple of other schools so you could make a spot for them on your schedule? I'm not really surprised given your University's behavior that you'd be really going out of your way to play Liberty.

You know I am convinced. We need to invite Liberty to our conference if for no other reason except maybe Tom would find something else for entertainment. Dude you are a wasted space and I think if you weren't gay you still would be. Wow bet you would be a blast a party. If you guys would promise not to quote him we could all put him on ignore and we could go back to slamming each other's football teams. That's what this site is for right?

(12-23-2017 06:11 PM)OsageJ Wrote:  You know I am convinced. We need to invite Liberty to our conference if for no other reason except maybe Tom would find something else for entertainment. Dude you are a wasted space and I think if you weren't gay you still would be. Wow bet you would be a blast a party. If you guys would promise not to quote him we could all put him on ignore and we could go back to slamming each other's football teams. That's what this site is for right?

Pretty easy to get us to STFU....stop making us pay for it. Then you can continue to run FBS athletics as your personal preserve without any input from us. You need our money to keep your FBS programs going. Its time the decision making process reflected that.

Am I reading these deficits correctly...http://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/finances/

USA...20.2 million a year, or 74.4%
Troy...19.9 million, 72.2%
ULL...13.3 million or 51%
Georgia State...21.8 million or 78%
Georgia So. 18.4 million or 61%
App ...20.3 million or 64%
Texas State... 25 million or 72%
Ark State... 13 million or 30%
ULM...7 million or 47.38%
Coastal...22 million or 84%

Guys, if this is correct, none of us should be trying to needlessly antagonize any part of our stakeholders. Some of those amounts if allocated to the student population in equal measure, represent a grand a year.
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The smart move is to figure out how to get the majority of your students, who don't care about your programs enough to attend a single game, engaged in the program. Using scheduling to flip the bird to a large portion of your students isn't a good way to do that.

(12-23-2017 06:32 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(12-23-2017 06:11 PM)OsageJ Wrote:  You know I am convinced. We need to invite Liberty to our conference if for no other reason except maybe Tom would find something else for entertainment. Dude you are a wasted space and I think if you weren't gay you still would be. Wow bet you would be a blast a party. If you guys would promise not to quote him we could all put him on ignore and we could go back to slamming each other's football teams. That's what this site is for right?

Again, isn't that what Liberty supporters are all about? Banning LGBT people from existing in any meaningful way? Seems to me that would be a lot like your Athletic Departments. BTW, I think Ark State's AD is probably a bit too smart than to schedule Liberty. I figured Troy would be number 1 and Georgia Southern I suspected would take the bait.

Pretty easy to get us to STFU....stop making us pay for it. Then you can continue to run FBS athletics as your personal preserve without any input from us.

You have every right to speak. It's just that this is not the right forum. Sports are why we are here. Of course like I said I think you just like to *****. I never root against an SBC team OOC. When your team plays Liberty I will be saying "Go Flames!!" Aren't you glad your speech can have an effect on someone. Bye...tired of this and you.

(12-23-2017 06:50 PM)OsageJ Wrote:  

(12-23-2017 06:32 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(12-23-2017 06:11 PM)OsageJ Wrote:  You know I am convinced. We need to invite Liberty to our conference if for no other reason except maybe Tom would find something else for entertainment. Dude you are a wasted space and I think if you weren't gay you still would be. Wow bet you would be a blast a party. If you guys would promise not to quote him we could all put him on ignore and we could go back to slamming each other's football teams. That's what this site is for right?

Again, isn't that what Liberty supporters are all about? Banning LGBT people from existing in any meaningful way? Seems to me that would be a lot like your Athletic Departments. BTW, I think Ark State's AD is probably a bit too smart than to schedule Liberty. I figured Troy would be number 1 and Georgia Southern I suspected would take the bait.

Pretty easy to get us to STFU....stop making us pay for it. Then you can continue to run FBS athletics as your personal preserve without any input from us.

You have every right to speak. It's just that this is not the right forum. Sports are why we are here. Of course like I said I think you just like to *****. I never root against an SBC team OOC. When your team plays Liberty I will be saying "Go Flames!!" Aren't you glad your speech can have an effect on someone. Bye...tired of this and you.

Again, I seriously doubt you'll ever get the opportunity to say "Go Flames" versus USA, unless we're playing Illinois Chicago in basketball.

A question for you, does Arkansas State charge a student fee for athletics system wide or simply to the 14k students in Jonesboro? Trying to figure out the exact student subsidy for a 4 year degree to cover athletics there. Before you get all upset about feedback, remember that almost a grand per year per student at your Jonesboro campus is used not for academics, not for general student activities, but to support athletics. Its unreasonable to expect groups to be excluded from the benefits of that funding without complaint forever.

There are things that you guys could do, that don't really cost a lot of money, that could be helpful to get more of the funders of your program on board with the benefits of it. Not playing Liberty would be one thing. Actually meeting with various student groups that aren't engaged in your athletic program would be another. Neither costs money and could save untold grief down the road.

Does Arkansas State charge over 8 grand in fees for a 4 year degree (in state)? Is over half of that to cover athletic deficits? My guess is that Arkansas State uses taxpayer funds to cover some of their deficit, especially for scholarships, but if you take the allocation and apply it over 4 years to the Jonesboro campus only..I'm getting a truly large number here. And Arkansas State's subsidy numbers are actually better than anyone else's.

I don't know what Tom said but I bet it was brilliant...Lol.

(12-23-2017 07:49 PM)OsageJ Wrote:  I don't know what Tom said but I bet it was brilliant...Lol.

Something about the dangers of people ignoring the people who spend up to 4 grand at your school for a four year degree to cover athletic deficits without anyone listening or accounting for their concerns....Nothing much...just the financial underpinnings of our entire athletic programs.... Couldn't imagine a situation where the interests of marginalized students looking to reduce the amount of money they need to borrow to get a college degree align with the interests of Razorbacks in your legislature....Nah, no potential risk there.

Oh its this thread again...Yah!

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Wow that was ridiculous lol

(12-23-2017 05:41 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(12-23-2017 05:16 PM)CardinalBlackTrojan Wrote:  

(12-23-2017 04:22 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Why not just schedule Kent State. Easy win and no fuss.

You're making up something that isn't there. There is no fuss from any students or faculty from any of the schools on Liberty's schedule. Liberty's FOOTBALL TEAM playing on someone's campus causes no harm whatsoever.

So either way, it still is likely an easy win with no fuss.

You also still fail to understand how scheduling works in an athletic department. You don't just call up Kent State or Charlotte and schedule an easy game. A lot of times you take what you can get depending on the years.

I'm curious... what if USA winds up scheduling Liberty?

They'd lose a multiple 7 figure bequest within 10 minutes of it hitting FBS schedules. And after I called my estate attorney and the University, I'd make some other calls.

And the truth comes out . "I'll take my toys and go home". Good move little boy. What a great alumni you are.

(12-23-2017 09:26 PM)GEAGLESJAG Wrote:  

(12-23-2017 05:41 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(12-23-2017 05:16 PM)CardinalBlackTrojan Wrote:  

(12-23-2017 04:22 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Why not just schedule Kent State. Easy win and no fuss.

You're making up something that isn't there. There is no fuss from any students or faculty from any of the schools on Liberty's schedule. Liberty's FOOTBALL TEAM playing on someone's campus causes no harm whatsoever.

So either way, it still is likely an easy win with no fuss.

You also still fail to understand how scheduling works in an athletic department. You don't just call up Kent State or Charlotte and schedule an easy game. A lot of times you take what you can get depending on the years.

I'm curious... what if USA winds up scheduling Liberty?

They'd lose a multiple 7 figure bequest within 10 minutes of it hitting FBS schedules. And after I called my estate attorney and the University, I'd make some other calls.

And the truth comes out . "I'll take my toys and go home". Good move little boy. What a great alumni you are.

I doubt those size ransoms work very well.
Now if you got into the $20-30 million range, that might bend an ear.

(12-23-2017 09:26 PM)GEAGLESJAG Wrote:  

(12-23-2017 05:41 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(12-23-2017 05:16 PM)CardinalBlackTrojan Wrote:  

(12-23-2017 04:22 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Why not just schedule Kent State. Easy win and no fuss.

You're making up something that isn't there. There is no fuss from any students or faculty from any of the schools on Liberty's schedule. Liberty's FOOTBALL TEAM playing on someone's campus causes no harm whatsoever.

So either way, it still is likely an easy win with no fuss.

You also still fail to understand how scheduling works in an athletic department. You don't just call up Kent State or Charlotte and schedule an easy game. A lot of times you take what you can get depending on the years.

I'm curious... what if USA winds up scheduling Liberty?

They'd lose a multiple 7 figure bequest within 10 minutes of it hitting FBS schedules. And after I called my estate attorney and the University, I'd make some other calls.

And the truth comes out . "I'll take my toys and go home". Good move little boy. What a great alumni you are.

The implied subsidy of USA athletics is 70 percent and is over 1 grand per year per student Somewhere north of 5 grand per 4 year degree. Almost one dollar out of ten paid for a USA degree goes to subsidize athletics, unless there's something I'm missing. At some point, the numbers just don't add up anymore and it makes more sense to set up a scholarship fund usable at a variety of schools, where the recipients don't have such a large weight for an activity to which they're probably not participating in. One reason I'm still doing it with USA is because there are matching funds, so it basically halves the effective fee. They're also cheaper than most other options.

If I wanted to pay for athletics, I'd donate to the Jaguar Fund. Right now, I'm not interested in doing so. That might change.

I expect athletics to try to support itself and at least be open to all. I'm very concerned about what I consider a rather large amount of subsidy. If they made unnecessary decisions that were unpalatable, I'd feel even less comfortable. If USA made the athletics portion of their school much more accessible to everyone, then I might not feel so conflicted by the subsidy either.

Whether or not you think that my expectation that the beneficiary of my donations actually use them for the effective purpose of the donation and not waste it on superfluous stuff...makes me a bad alumni...then that's your call.

My expectation is that my money be used in a way that is truly accessible by all. I doubt USA is really doing a good job with making it accessible in their athletic department, but at least, they're not trolling me with their decisions. I'm patient, but I'm not a fool.

By the way, I'm moving forward with the first traunche of the donation.

BTW guys, what percentage of tuition do you think is appropriate as a per student, per year subsidy?

Oh, Tom...

Nothing is going to sway you on this issue. You clearly have a big beef with religion, primarily Christianity. Whether you deny that or not, you make it obvious.

(12-24-2017 12:27 AM)CardinalBlackTrojan Wrote:  Oh, Tom...

Nothing is going to sway you on this issue. You clearly have a big beef with religion, primarily Christianity. Whether you deny that or not, you make it obvious.

All we can do is pray for him. He’s mixed up and hopefully will find his way before it’s too late.

(12-23-2017 07:09 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(12-23-2017 06:50 PM)OsageJ Wrote:  

(12-23-2017 06:32 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(12-23-2017 06:11 PM)OsageJ Wrote:  You know I am convinced. We need to invite Liberty to our conference if for no other reason except maybe Tom would find something else for entertainment. Dude you are a wasted space and I think if you weren't gay you still would be. Wow bet you would be a blast a party. If you guys would promise not to quote him we could all put him on ignore and we could go back to slamming each other's football teams. That's what this site is for right?

Again, isn't that what Liberty supporters are all about? Banning LGBT people from existing in any meaningful way? Seems to me that would be a lot like your Athletic Departments. BTW, I think Ark State's AD is probably a bit too smart than to schedule Liberty. I figured Troy would be number 1 and Georgia Southern I suspected would take the bait.

Pretty easy to get us to STFU....stop making us pay for it. Then you can continue to run FBS athletics as your personal preserve without any input from us.

You have every right to speak. It's just that this is not the right forum. Sports are why we are here. Of course like I said I think you just like to *****. I never root against an SBC team OOC. When your team plays Liberty I will be saying "Go Flames!!" Aren't you glad your speech can have an effect on someone. Bye...tired of this and you.

Again, I seriously doubt you'll ever get the opportunity to say "Go Flames" versus USA, unless we're playing Illinois Chicago in basketball.

A question for you, does Arkansas State charge a student fee for athletics system wide or simply to the 14k students in Jonesboro? Trying to figure out the exact student subsidy for a 4 year degree to cover athletics there. Before you get all upset about feedback, remember that almost a grand per year per student at your Jonesboro campus is used not for academics, not for general student activities, but to support athletics. Its unreasonable to expect groups to be excluded from the benefits of that funding without complaint forever.

There are things that you guys could do, that don't really cost a lot of money, that could be helpful to get more of the funders of your program on board with the benefits of it. Not playing Liberty would be one thing. Actually meeting with various student groups that aren't engaged in your athletic program would be another. Neither costs money and could save untold grief down the road.

Does Arkansas State charge over 8 grand in fees for a 4 year degree (in state)? Is over half of that to cover athletic deficits? My guess is that Arkansas State uses taxpayer funds to cover some of their deficit, especially for scholarships, but if you take the allocation and apply it over 4 years to the Jonesboro campus only..I'm getting a truly large number here. And Arkansas State's subsidy numbers are actually better than anyone else's.

Dude...we have an absolute ton of people on our campus who absolutely hate that they spend money every year that goes to finance our Athletic Department. Problem is, 95 percent of those people are Razorback fans, so we've made it very clear we don't care what they think and they are welcome to transfer if they don't like it.

We'd love to attract students who don't come to games to our events more, but the general thing is that the odds they show up at all are next to nil, so we don't really bother.

The thing we do, is we make sure that students get equal opportunity when it comes to something their fees pay for. They get access to things like our indoor practice facility, press box, and other athletic areas if they need them for student events, because they pay a small amount of money to finance our Athletic Department each semester. If they still don't like it, tough cookies, go somewhere else.

(12-24-2017 12:31 AM)Fanof49ASU Wrote:  

(12-24-2017 12:27 AM)CardinalBlackTrojan Wrote:  Oh, Tom...

Nothing is going to sway you on this issue. You clearly have a big beef with religion, primarily Christianity. Whether you deny that or not, you make it obvious.

All we can do is pray for him. He’s mixed up and hopefully will find his way before it’s too late.

Lets be careful with this on a message board. I can see how a non Christian would read this message and be very offended by it.