Was looking at KenPom today and noticed something kinda crazy. While I knew USF and ECU has struggled ... i didn't realize how bad it was ...

Looking at the current Conference rankings and their AdjEM

1. Big 12 +18.15
2. ACC +15.52
3. Big East + 14.52
4. SEC +14.07
5. Big Ten +13.25
6 Pac 12 + 8.81
7. AAC +7.97
8. MWC +4.09
9. MVC +3.34
10. A10 +2.01

Looking a little deeper at individual teams, of the top 6 conferences there is only 1 team with a negative AdjEM. That is Washington State at -0.85

Then we come to the AAC. The Top 10 teams are positive, then USF comes in at -9.50 and ECU at -10.53

Of the top 16 conferences, there is only 2 other conferences with 2 teams worse than -9.50. Conf USA( FIU and Rice) and the WCC (Pepperdine, and Portland).

Just out of curiousity, i removed USF and ECU from the Adj EM average and the AAC score jumped to 11.5 putting us just behind the Big 10 and well ahead of the Pac-12.

That data just kinda jumped out at me when i realized we had 2 teams at -9.5 or worse and the MVC's worse is -3.3

Too late to turn around?


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(12-21-2017 03:55 PM)Stickboy46 Wrote:  Was looking at KenPom today and noticed something kinda crazy. While I knew USF and ECU has struggled ... i didn't realize how bad it was ...

Looking at the current Conference rankings and their AdjEM

1. Big 12 +18.15
2. ACC +15.52
3. Big East + 14.52
4. SEC +14.07
5. Big Ten +13.25
6 Pac 12 + 8.81
7. AAC +7.97
8. MWC +4.09
9. MVC +3.34
10. A10 +2.01

Looking a little deeper at individual teams, of the top 6 conferences there is only 1 team with a negative AdjEM. That is Washington State at -0.85

Then we come to the AAC. The Top 10 teams are positive, then USF comes in at -9.50 and ECU at -10.53

Of the top 16 conferences, there is only 2 other conferences with 2 teams worse than -9.50. Conf USA( FIU and Rice) and the WCC (Pepperdine, and Portland).

Just out of curiousity, i removed USF and ECU from the Adj EM average and the AAC score jumped to 11.5 putting us just behind the Big 10 and well ahead of the Pac-12.

That data just kinda jumped out at me when i realized we had 2 teams at -9.5 or worse and the MVC's worse is -3.3

I find it encouraging for the future of the league that we are that strong even with ECU & USF acting as anchors. If they can raise their water level to be merely mediocre we'll really have something going on here.

(12-21-2017 03:59 PM)C0|db|00ded Wrote:  Too late to turn around?


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Not at all what i was getting at. The top of the conference is strong .. which based on previous selection criteria is more critical that the bottom being weak. Just was shocked at how out of place USF and ECU were in the analytics.

(12-21-2017 04:09 PM)Wheatshock Wrote:  

(12-21-2017 03:55 PM)Stickboy46 Wrote:  Was looking at KenPom today and noticed something kinda crazy. While I knew USF and ECU has struggled ... i didn't realize how bad it was ...

Looking at the current Conference rankings and their AdjEM

1. Big 12 +18.15
2. ACC +15.52
3. Big East + 14.52
4. SEC +14.07
5. Big Ten +13.25
6 Pac 12 + 8.81
7. AAC +7.97
8. MWC +4.09
9. MVC +3.34
10. A10 +2.01

Looking a little deeper at individual teams, of the top 6 conferences there is only 1 team with a negative AdjEM. That is Washington State at -0.85

Then we come to the AAC. The Top 10 teams are positive, then USF comes in at -9.50 and ECU at -10.53

Of the top 16 conferences, there is only 2 other conferences with 2 teams worse than -9.50. Conf USA( FIU and Rice) and the WCC (Pepperdine, and Portland).

Just out of curiousity, i removed USF and ECU from the Adj EM average and the AAC score jumped to 11.5 putting us just behind the Big 10 and well ahead of the Pac-12.

That data just kinda jumped out at me when i realized we had 2 teams at -9.5 or worse and the MVC's worse is -3.3

I find it encouraging for the future of the league that we are that strong even with ECU & USF acting as anchors. If they can raise their water level to be merely mediocre we'll really have something going on here.

We've been waiting for a really long time for that.

(12-21-2017 04:28 PM)aTxTIGER Wrote:  

(12-21-2017 04:09 PM)Wheatshock Wrote:  

(12-21-2017 03:55 PM)Stickboy46 Wrote:  Was looking at KenPom today and noticed something kinda crazy. While I knew USF and ECU has struggled ... i didn't realize how bad it was ...

Looking at the current Conference rankings and their AdjEM

1. Big 12 +18.15
2. ACC +15.52
3. Big East + 14.52
4. SEC +14.07
5. Big Ten +13.25
6 Pac 12 + 8.81
7. AAC +7.97
8. MWC +4.09
9. MVC +3.34
10. A10 +2.01

Looking a little deeper at individual teams, of the top 6 conferences there is only 1 team with a negative AdjEM. That is Washington State at -0.85

Then we come to the AAC. The Top 10 teams are positive, then USF comes in at -9.50 and ECU at -10.53

Of the top 16 conferences, there is only 2 other conferences with 2 teams worse than -9.50. Conf USA( FIU and Rice) and the WCC (Pepperdine, and Portland).

Just out of curiousity, i removed USF and ECU from the Adj EM average and the AAC score jumped to 11.5 putting us just behind the Big 10 and well ahead of the Pac-12.

That data just kinda jumped out at me when i realized we had 2 teams at -9.5 or worse and the MVC's worse is -3.3

I find it encouraging for the future of the league that we are that strong even with ECU & USF acting as anchors. If they can raise their water level to be merely mediocre we'll really have something going on here.

We've been waiting for a really long time for that.

They need a splashy hire, but I have a feeling they'll Lebo it and go with Perry.

(12-21-2017 04:28 PM)aTxTIGER Wrote:  

(12-21-2017 04:09 PM)Wheatshock Wrote:  

(12-21-2017 03:55 PM)Stickboy46 Wrote:  Was looking at KenPom today and noticed something kinda crazy. While I knew USF and ECU has struggled ... i didn't realize how bad it was ...

Looking at the current Conference rankings and their AdjEM

1. Big 12 +18.15
2. ACC +15.52
3. Big East + 14.52
4. SEC +14.07
5. Big Ten +13.25
6 Pac 12 + 8.81
7. AAC +7.97
8. MWC +4.09
9. MVC +3.34
10. A10 +2.01

Looking a little deeper at individual teams, of the top 6 conferences there is only 1 team with a negative AdjEM. That is Washington State at -0.85

Then we come to the AAC. The Top 10 teams are positive, then USF comes in at -9.50 and ECU at -10.53

Of the top 16 conferences, there is only 2 other conferences with 2 teams worse than -9.50. Conf USA( FIU and Rice) and the WCC (Pepperdine, and Portland).

Just out of curiousity, i removed USF and ECU from the Adj EM average and the AAC score jumped to 11.5 putting us just behind the Big 10 and well ahead of the Pac-12.

That data just kinda jumped out at me when i realized we had 2 teams at -9.5 or worse and the MVC's worse is -3.3

I find it encouraging for the future of the league that we are that strong even with ECU & USF acting as anchors. If they can raise their water level to be merely mediocre we'll really have something going on here.

We've been waiting for a really long time for that.

So have we.

I created my own computer program (and actually I created my own computer) and when I ran the numbers the data showed that Cincinnati was the best team in the country.

I apologize now...ECU will drag everyone down again. Hopefully after this debacle we can come off the cash and hire someone that can both recruit and coach. I said hopefully. Im not in any way optimistic that will happen. Again...I apologize in advance. We could well go without a conference win this season.

(12-21-2017 03:59 PM)C0|db|00ded Wrote:  Too late to turn around?


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Too late? yes. We already invited you!

ECU was picked to finish 4th in the Coaches Preseason Baseball Poll. Finally something for them them to contribute...maybe.

(12-21-2017 03:55 PM)Stickboy46 Wrote:  6 Pac 12 + 8.81
7. AAC +7.97

Here's the thing. The Pac 12's top teams are

Arizona
Arizona St
USC
Oregon
UCLA
Utah

SMU beat Arizona and USC.
Cincy beat UCLA.
UConn beat Oregon

I can't see how anyone can argue the Pac 12 is better than the American this year.

Maybe when we have a coach we can go from shockingly bad to merely mediocre

(12-21-2017 06:04 PM)CougarRed Wrote:  

(12-21-2017 03:55 PM)Stickboy46 Wrote:  6 Pac 12 + 8.81
7. AAC +7.97

Here's the thing. The Pac 12's top teams are

Arizona
Arizona St
USC
Oregon
UCLA
Utah

SMU beat Arizona and USC.
Cincy beat UCLA.
UConn beat Oregon

I can't see how anyone can argue the Pac 12 is better than the American this year.

Agreed. Our top/middle teams are better, but they have a stronger rear. Their PAC 12 crap is better than our AAC diarrhea.

(12-21-2017 06:03 PM)HuskyU Wrote:  ECU was picked to finish 4th in the Coaches Preseason Baseball Poll. Finally something for them them to contribute...maybe.

Fans of team that ECU beat in basketball can not comment on ECU basketball. First rule of basketball.

(12-21-2017 06:03 PM)HuskyU Wrote:  ECU was picked to finish 4th in the Coaches Preseason Baseball Poll. Finally something for them them to contribute...maybe.

If the pitching is as good as I think it will be.....We win the conference championship. If not? Middle of the pack but still winning enough to get a bid in the CWS. It is always about pitching. Always has been...Always will be.

(12-21-2017 06:13 PM)8BitPirate Wrote:  

(12-21-2017 06:03 PM)HuskyU Wrote:  ECU was picked to finish 4th in the Coaches Preseason Baseball Poll. Finally something for them them to contribute...maybe.

Fans of team that ECU beat in basketball can not comment on ECU basketball. First rule of basketball.

This thread is about conference member contributions. UCONN still had a higher RPI/KenPom/BPI/... than ECU last year. Try to keep up. No, really. Try to keep up cuz you're bringing the entire conference down in EVERY sport.

(12-21-2017 06:04 PM)CougarRed Wrote:  

(12-21-2017 03:55 PM)Stickboy46 Wrote:  6 Pac 12 + 8.81
7. AAC +7.97

Here's the thing. The Pac 12's top teams are

Arizona
Arizona St
USC
Oregon
UCLA
Utah

SMU beat Arizona and USC.
Cincy beat UCLA.
UConn beat Oregon

I can't see how anyone can argue the Pac 12 is better than the American this year.

Agreed .. as I stated in my original post. Without USF and ECU the AAC is far ahead of the PAC 12

(12-21-2017 06:18 PM)HuskyU Wrote:  

(12-21-2017 06:13 PM)8BitPirate Wrote:  

(12-21-2017 06:03 PM)HuskyU Wrote:  ECU was picked to finish 4th in the Coaches Preseason Baseball Poll. Finally something for them them to contribute...maybe.

Fans of team that ECU beat in basketball can not comment on ECU basketball. First rule of basketball.

This thread is about conference member contributions. UCONN still had a higher RPI/KenPom/BPI/... than ECU last year. Try to keep up. No, really. Try to keep up cuz you're bringing the entire conference down in EVERY sport.

Whatever. Bow before our Swimming/Diving!

(12-21-2017 06:46 PM)Stickboy46 Wrote:  

(12-21-2017 06:04 PM)CougarRed Wrote:  

(12-21-2017 03:55 PM)Stickboy46 Wrote:  6 Pac 12 + 8.81
7. AAC +7.97

Here's the thing. The Pac 12's top teams are

Arizona
Arizona St
USC
Oregon
UCLA
Utah

SMU beat Arizona and USC.
Cincy beat UCLA.
UConn beat Oregon

I can't see how anyone can argue the Pac 12 is better than the American this year.

Agreed .. as I stated in my original post. Without USF and ECU the AAC is far ahead of the PAC 12

The problem with ECU and badketbsll is nothing new. In fsct, originally ECU's basketball program was not going to be allowed in the conference. The Big East basketball members left and that, unfortunately, changed. ECU's basketball history Iis really poor and there's nothing suggests its getting better.