(12-20-2017 09:07 AM)Dasville Wrote: The Bible, in the Creation account, clearly defines time? If so, that to me, seems to eliminate life elsewhere in the universe for those who believe literally.
A lot of "casual" Christians today don't yet understand that if Genesis chapters 1-11 is not true, then the entire bible is a lie and Christ died for nothing.
Christ Himself based everything about salvation and His ministry on the understanding that the entire thing is 100% literal. He would know better than anyone, because He was there when the heavens and earth were created.
(This post was last modified: 12-20-2017 10:13 AM by ericsrevenge76.)
While this whole program seems like an excuse to make one of Reid's friends rich (According to the reports, Reid, a Nevada Democrat, helped steer money under the program to a donor’s aerospace research company), I think we need to remember that UFO's aren't necessarily presumed to be from outer space. Anything flying that is unidentifiable qualifies, like new spying technology, so tracking them down really should be part of our defense strategy.
(12-20-2017 09:22 AM)Chappy Wrote: While this whole program seems like an excuse to make one of Reid's friends rich (According to the reports, Reid, a Nevada Democrat, helped steer money under the program to a donor’s aerospace research company), I think we need to remember that UFO's aren't necessarily presumed to be from outer space. Anything flying that is unidentifiable qualifies, like new spying technology, so tracking them down really should be part of our defense strategy.
Agree 100% and this is how all UFO’s should be considered.
There is 0% chance that we are the only intelligent life in the universe.
I think the more interesting question is... is the universe infinite? Or is it finite?
"GREENFIELDBOYCE: Sean Carroll is a theoretical physicist at Caltech. He says the universe has been expanding for about 14 billion years, but it's not ballooning out into some other realm.
CARROLL: I know it's difficult to wrap our minds around, but it's just getting more and more of it, even though it's not expanding into anything at all.
GREENFIELDBOYCE: So if we can't leave the universe, all we can do is look around inside. Let's say you flew off the Earth, out of our solar system, out of the Milky Way galaxy, out of our cluster of galaxies and on and on and on. I asked theoretical physicist Janna Levin at Columbia University, how far could you go?
JANNA LEVIN: We don't a hundred percent know. So what we see of the universe is that we know that the universe is something like 90 billion light years across.
GREENFIELDBOYCE: That's only the part of it we can see. Anything beyond that has to remain a mystery. Stuff out there is so far away the light can never get to us.
LEVIN: It makes logical sense to assume the universe goes on beyond that boundary. It would be kind of magical if we were just happening to be able to see right at some boundary and then something crazy happened beyond that like galaxies cease to exist. I mean, that just seems nuts.
GREENFIELDBOYCE: So it goes on, but is it infinite? Chuck Bennett is an astrophysicist at Johns Hopkins University.
CHUCK BENNETT: It is somewhat unimaginable, but quite possible that our universe simply goes on forever.
GREENFIELDBOYCE: He says to us, the universe seems flat so maybe it's like an endless sheet of paper. But on the other hand, people used to think the Earth was flat, too. People saw flat land stretching to a horizon beyond which they could not see. These days, the idea of a flat Earth seems silly. We know it's really a huge sphere.
BENNETT: Our universe might be like that.
GREENFIELDBOYCE: Bennett says the universe might be curved, might even curve back on itself...
BENNETT: But on a scale that's truly enormous.
GREENFIELDBOYCE: If so and you headed boldly off into the universe going straight in one direction, you would eventually find yourself right back where you started."
(This post was last modified: 12-20-2017 10:04 AM by ECUGrad07.)
I am a relatively smart and curious guy, thought admittedly I am not a scientist.
I simply cannot wrap my head around the the idea that the universe is expanding but not expanding into anything. It. Just. Does. Not. Compute. in my puny mind. I cannot understand the idea of infinity in the sense that it goes on forever.
(12-20-2017 10:09 AM)Lord Stanley Wrote: I am a relatively smart and curious guy, thought admittedly I am not a scientist.
I simply cannot wrap my head around the the idea that the universe is expanding but not expanding into anything. It. Just. Does. Not. Compute. in my puny mind. I cannot understand the idea of infinity in the sense that it goes on forever.
Our brains are not wired to comprehend infinity. You're not alone in that struggle.
(12-20-2017 10:02 AM)ECUGrad07 Wrote: There is 0% chance that we are the only intelligent life in the universe.
I think the more interesting question is... is the universe infinite? Or is it finite?
"GREENFIELDBOYCE: Sean Carroll is a theoretical physicist at Caltech. He says the universe has been expanding for about 14 billion years, but it's not ballooning out into some other realm.
CARROLL: I know it's difficult to wrap our minds around, but it's just getting more and more of it, even though it's not expanding into anything at all.
GREENFIELDBOYCE: So if we can't leave the universe, all we can do is look around inside. Let's say you flew off the Earth, out of our solar system, out of the Milky Way galaxy, out of our cluster of galaxies and on and on and on. I asked theoretical physicist Janna Levin at Columbia University, how far could you go?
JANNA LEVIN: We don't a hundred percent know. So what we see of the universe is that we know that the universe is something like 90 billion light years across.
GREENFIELDBOYCE: That's only the part of it we can see. Anything beyond that has to remain a mystery. Stuff out there is so far away the light can never get to us.
LEVIN: It makes logical sense to assume the universe goes on beyond that boundary. It would be kind of magical if we were just happening to be able to see right at some boundary and then something crazy happened beyond that like galaxies cease to exist. I mean, that just seems nuts.
GREENFIELDBOYCE: So it goes on, but is it infinite? Chuck Bennett is an astrophysicist at Johns Hopkins University.
CHUCK BENNETT: It is somewhat unimaginable, but quite possible that our universe simply goes on forever.
GREENFIELDBOYCE: He says to us, the universe seems flat so maybe it's like an endless sheet of paper. But on the other hand, people used to think the Earth was flat, too. People saw flat land stretching to a horizon beyond which they could not see. These days, the idea of a flat Earth seems silly. We know it's really a huge sphere.
BENNETT: Our universe might be like that.
GREENFIELDBOYCE: Bennett says the universe might be curved, might even curve back on itself...
BENNETT: But on a scale that's truly enormous.
GREENFIELDBOYCE: If so and you headed boldly off into the universe going straight in one direction, you would eventually find yourself right back where you started."
I bet your wrong.
(This post was last modified: 12-20-2017 10:16 AM by Dasville.)
Even the bible recorded 3000+ years ago that the universe was expanding.
Isaiah 40:22
It is He who sits above the circle of the earth, And its inhabitants are like grasshoppers, Who stretches out the heavens like a curtain And spreads them out like a tent to dwell in.
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(12-20-2017 10:02 AM)ECUGrad07 Wrote: There is 0% chance that we are the only intelligent life in the universe.
I think the more interesting question is... is the universe infinite? Or is it finite?
"GREENFIELDBOYCE: Sean Carroll is a theoretical physicist at Caltech. He says the universe has been expanding for about 14 billion years, but it's not ballooning out into some other realm.
CARROLL: I know it's difficult to wrap our minds around, but it's just getting more and more of it, even though it's not expanding into anything at all.
GREENFIELDBOYCE: So if we can't leave the universe, all we can do is look around inside. Let's say you flew off the Earth, out of our solar system, out of the Milky Way galaxy, out of our cluster of galaxies and on and on and on. I asked theoretical physicist Janna Levin at Columbia University, how far could you go?
JANNA LEVIN: We don't a hundred percent know. So what we see of the universe is that we know that the universe is something like 90 billion light years across.
GREENFIELDBOYCE: That's only the part of it we can see. Anything beyond that has to remain a mystery. Stuff out there is so far away the light can never get to us.
LEVIN: It makes logical sense to assume the universe goes on beyond that boundary. It would be kind of magical if we were just happening to be able to see right at some boundary and then something crazy happened beyond that like galaxies cease to exist. I mean, that just seems nuts.
GREENFIELDBOYCE: So it goes on, but is it infinite? Chuck Bennett is an astrophysicist at Johns Hopkins University.
CHUCK BENNETT: It is somewhat unimaginable, but quite possible that our universe simply goes on forever.
GREENFIELDBOYCE: He says to us, the universe seems flat so maybe it's like an endless sheet of paper. But on the other hand, people used to think the Earth was flat, too. People saw flat land stretching to a horizon beyond which they could not see. These days, the idea of a flat Earth seems silly. We know it's really a huge sphere.
BENNETT: Our universe might be like that.
GREENFIELDBOYCE: Bennett says the universe might be curved, might even curve back on itself...
BENNETT: But on a scale that's truly enormous.
GREENFIELDBOYCE: If so and you headed boldly off into the universe going straight in one direction, you would eventually find yourself right back where you started."
I believe that the shape of the universe is a giant sphere. If you assume the big bang is correct, I don't see how it could be anything else but a sphere - especially if you assume that the properties of the void in which the singularity existed prior to the big bang is isotropic.
(12-20-2017 10:02 AM)ECUGrad07 Wrote: There is 0% chance that we are the only intelligent life in the universe.
I think the more interesting question is... is the universe infinite? Or is it finite?
"GREENFIELDBOYCE: Sean Carroll is a theoretical physicist at Caltech. He says the universe has been expanding for about 14 billion years, but it's not ballooning out into some other realm.
CARROLL: I know it's difficult to wrap our minds around, but it's just getting more and more of it, even though it's not expanding into anything at all.
GREENFIELDBOYCE: So if we can't leave the universe, all we can do is look around inside. Let's say you flew off the Earth, out of our solar system, out of the Milky Way galaxy, out of our cluster of galaxies and on and on and on. I asked theoretical physicist Janna Levin at Columbia University, how far could you go?
JANNA LEVIN: We don't a hundred percent know. So what we see of the universe is that we know that the universe is something like 90 billion light years across.
GREENFIELDBOYCE: That's only the part of it we can see. Anything beyond that has to remain a mystery. Stuff out there is so far away the light can never get to us.
LEVIN: It makes logical sense to assume the universe goes on beyond that boundary. It would be kind of magical if we were just happening to be able to see right at some boundary and then something crazy happened beyond that like galaxies cease to exist. I mean, that just seems nuts.
GREENFIELDBOYCE: So it goes on, but is it infinite? Chuck Bennett is an astrophysicist at Johns Hopkins University.
CHUCK BENNETT: It is somewhat unimaginable, but quite possible that our universe simply goes on forever.
GREENFIELDBOYCE: He says to us, the universe seems flat so maybe it's like an endless sheet of paper. But on the other hand, people used to think the Earth was flat, too. People saw flat land stretching to a horizon beyond which they could not see. These days, the idea of a flat Earth seems silly. We know it's really a huge sphere.
BENNETT: Our universe might be like that.
GREENFIELDBOYCE: Bennett says the universe might be curved, might even curve back on itself...
BENNETT: But on a scale that's truly enormous.
GREENFIELDBOYCE: If so and you headed boldly off into the universe going straight in one direction, you would eventually find yourself right back where you started."
I believe that the shape of the universe is a giant sphere. If you assume the big bang is correct, I don't see how it could be anything else but a sphere - especially if you assume that the properties of the void in which the singularity existed prior to the big bang is isotropic.
so what is outside the ever expanding sphere???
why does a sphere carry more weight than a cube or any other shape???
infinity.....it's why it's simply defined by a figure eight symbol (rotated 90 degrees nonetheless).....
Apologetics turns more people off who could become believers than it does to bring more into the faith. This is no different than Muslim apologists stating the Koran has astrophysics knowledge that was well beyond the author(s) of the Koran.
They were talking about a snow globe earth - the firmament over a flat land. Ancient cosmology in the ME from the time the OT was written and the earlier works from Sumer and Babylon had the same concepts. So which is it? Was it a firmament that contained the infamous water barrier that made reptiles become dinosaur sized? Or do these verses actually refer to advanced concepts of space? Because you clearly see apologists taking these verses and applying them to different concepts.
(12-20-2017 10:02 AM)ECUGrad07 Wrote: There is 0% chance that we are the only intelligent life in the universe.
I think the more interesting question is... is the universe infinite? Or is it finite?
"GREENFIELDBOYCE: Sean Carroll is a theoretical physicist at Caltech. He says the universe has been expanding for about 14 billion years, but it's not ballooning out into some other realm.
CARROLL: I know it's difficult to wrap our minds around, but it's just getting more and more of it, even though it's not expanding into anything at all.
GREENFIELDBOYCE: So if we can't leave the universe, all we can do is look around inside. Let's say you flew off the Earth, out of our solar system, out of the Milky Way galaxy, out of our cluster of galaxies and on and on and on. I asked theoretical physicist Janna Levin at Columbia University, how far could you go?
JANNA LEVIN: We don't a hundred percent know. So what we see of the universe is that we know that the universe is something like 90 billion light years across.
GREENFIELDBOYCE: That's only the part of it we can see. Anything beyond that has to remain a mystery. Stuff out there is so far away the light can never get to us.
LEVIN: It makes logical sense to assume the universe goes on beyond that boundary. It would be kind of magical if we were just happening to be able to see right at some boundary and then something crazy happened beyond that like galaxies cease to exist. I mean, that just seems nuts.
GREENFIELDBOYCE: So it goes on, but is it infinite? Chuck Bennett is an astrophysicist at Johns Hopkins University.
CHUCK BENNETT: It is somewhat unimaginable, but quite possible that our universe simply goes on forever.
GREENFIELDBOYCE: He says to us, the universe seems flat so maybe it's like an endless sheet of paper. But on the other hand, people used to think the Earth was flat, too. People saw flat land stretching to a horizon beyond which they could not see. These days, the idea of a flat Earth seems silly. We know it's really a huge sphere.
BENNETT: Our universe might be like that.
GREENFIELDBOYCE: Bennett says the universe might be curved, might even curve back on itself...
BENNETT: But on a scale that's truly enormous.
GREENFIELDBOYCE: If so and you headed boldly off into the universe going straight in one direction, you would eventually find yourself right back where you started."
I believe that the shape of the universe is a giant sphere. If you assume the big bang is correct, I don't see how it could be anything else but a sphere - especially if you assume that the properties of the void in which the singularity existed prior to the big bang is isotropic.
so what is outside the ever expanding sphere???
why does a sphere carry more weight than a cube or any other shape???
infinity.....it's why it's simply defined by a figure eight symbol (rotated 90 degrees nonetheless).....
engineering = applied common sense
I don't know what's outside the sphere. I guess it's infinite "space", but then again not so empty if the theories of dark matter and dark energy are accurate. I guess the question becomes what exactly is the universe? Is it just the volume encompassed by the matter and energy that would be contained within the galaxies created by the big bang? If that is the assumption then it's a finite universe and we probably will never figure out what is beyond the boundary.
However, if we assume that our concept of a universe is greater than what is contained within the matter and energy resulting from the big bang, then the big bang is not the origin of the universe but an event that happened within the universe. That then takes us down the road of the infinite "universe" ("multiverse"?) with perhaps an uncounted number of big bangs that have occurred that created untold number of distinct universes.
My thoughts are that the known universe is a sphere given the assumption of an explosion that would hurl matter in all directions at equal velocities. The "shape" of the explosion in a near vacuum would be a sphere.
(12-20-2017 10:02 AM)ECUGrad07 Wrote: There is 0% chance that we are the only intelligent life in the universe.
I think the more interesting question is... is the universe infinite? Or is it finite?
"GREENFIELDBOYCE: Sean Carroll is a theoretical physicist at Caltech. He says the universe has been expanding for about 14 billion years, but it's not ballooning out into some other realm.
CARROLL: I know it's difficult to wrap our minds around, but it's just getting more and more of it, even though it's not expanding into anything at all.
GREENFIELDBOYCE: So if we can't leave the universe, all we can do is look around inside. Let's say you flew off the Earth, out of our solar system, out of the Milky Way galaxy, out of our cluster of galaxies and on and on and on. I asked theoretical physicist Janna Levin at Columbia University, how far could you go?
JANNA LEVIN: We don't a hundred percent know. So what we see of the universe is that we know that the universe is something like 90 billion light years across.
GREENFIELDBOYCE: That's only the part of it we can see. Anything beyond that has to remain a mystery. Stuff out there is so far away the light can never get to us.
LEVIN: It makes logical sense to assume the universe goes on beyond that boundary. It would be kind of magical if we were just happening to be able to see right at some boundary and then something crazy happened beyond that like galaxies cease to exist. I mean, that just seems nuts.
GREENFIELDBOYCE: So it goes on, but is it infinite? Chuck Bennett is an astrophysicist at Johns Hopkins University.
CHUCK BENNETT: It is somewhat unimaginable, but quite possible that our universe simply goes on forever.
GREENFIELDBOYCE: He says to us, the universe seems flat so maybe it's like an endless sheet of paper. But on the other hand, people used to think the Earth was flat, too. People saw flat land stretching to a horizon beyond which they could not see. These days, the idea of a flat Earth seems silly. We know it's really a huge sphere.
BENNETT: Our universe might be like that.
GREENFIELDBOYCE: Bennett says the universe might be curved, might even curve back on itself...
BENNETT: But on a scale that's truly enormous.
GREENFIELDBOYCE: If so and you headed boldly off into the universe going straight in one direction, you would eventually find yourself right back where you started."
