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(12-20-2017 08:53 AM)bullet Wrote:  I see no intelligent criticisms of Trump from Never Trumpers or Democrats. The only ones I see come from supporters.

not one.....literally....

there's simply some folk that just don't care about best method and hate on the person....

it's why I despise politics.....
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(12-20-2017 09:29 AM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  who the **** is frido? Is that a new made up name that the left is rolling out these days?

I think it's a lord o' kiss the ring of the king harry potter reference....

no ****?!?!?! 03-lmfao03-lmfao03-lmfao03-lmfao03-lmfao
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(12-20-2017 09:35 AM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  
(12-20-2017 09:31 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  
(12-20-2017 09:29 AM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  who the **** is frido? Is that a new made up name that the left is rolling out these days?

I think it's a lord o' kiss the ring of the king harry potter reference....

no ****?!?!?! 03-lmfao03-lmfao03-lmfao03-lmfao03-lmfao

I may not have that much talent in some arenas.....but reading between the sheets is a 'line item specialty' 03-wink
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(12-20-2017 09:35 AM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  
(12-20-2017 09:31 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  
(12-20-2017 09:29 AM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  who the **** is frido? Is that a new made up name that the left is rolling out these days?

I think it's a lord o' kiss the ring of the king harry potter reference....

no ****?!?!?! 03-lmfao03-lmfao03-lmfao03-lmfao03-lmfao

I may not have that much talent in some arenas.....but reading between the sheets is a 'line item specialty' 03-wink

I guess I havent seen Lord of the Rings in quite a while, but good movies in my opinion
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(12-20-2017 09:29 AM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  who the **** is frido? Is that a new made up name that the left is rolling out these days?

Something our resident Charlie Cheswick came up with that he thinks is cute.
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It's Fredo............................ Fredo


and that you don't know who that is.............................. You will be banned from my feed. Anybody who hasn't watched the Godfather trilogy deserves a special type of scorn.. [b]It's ONLY an AMERICAN CINEMA CLASSIC...............[/b]

I'm embarrassed that I have even read your thoughts.............
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(12-20-2017 10:17 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  It's Fredo............................ Fredo


and that you don't know who that is.............................. You will be banned from my feed. Anybody who hasn't watched the Godfather trilogy deserves a special type of scorn.. [b]It's ONLY an AMERICAN CINEMA CLASSIC...............[/b]

I'm embarrassed that I have even read your thoughts.............

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That God he's on your side spin room. Anybody who doesn't know who Fredo is......................... Ohhhh my goodness. My father made me watch the Godfather when I was 10. Watch the first one at least. Holy Moly..................... You need to broaden your horizons.
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(12-20-2017 09:31 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  
(12-20-2017 09:29 AM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  who the **** is frido? Is that a new made up name that the left is rolling out these days?

I think it's a lord o' kiss the ring of the king harry potter reference....

That's Frodo. I assumed it was some godfather reference.
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(12-20-2017 09:46 AM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  
(12-20-2017 09:37 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  
(12-20-2017 09:35 AM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  
(12-20-2017 09:31 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  
(12-20-2017 09:29 AM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  who the **** is frido? Is that a new made up name that the left is rolling out these days?

I think it's a lord o' kiss the ring of the king harry potter reference....

no ****?!?!?! 03-lmfao03-lmfao03-lmfao03-lmfao03-lmfao

I may not have that much talent in some arenas.....but reading between the sheets is a 'line item specialty' 03-wink

I guess I havent seen Lord of the Rings in quite a while, but good movies in my opinion

I love those movies for their political significance

The Lord of the Rings represented what happens when someone let's corporate greed corrupt them.
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(12-20-2017 11:31 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  The Lord of the Rings represented what happens when someone let's corporate greed corrupt them.

Sauron brought jobs to Middle Earth and the luddite terrorist Hobbits killed him.
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(12-19-2017 05:26 PM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  03-lmfao03-lmfao03-lmfao03-lmfao03-lmfao

If I ever took you seriously before that ended today.

Who me?
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(12-20-2017 11:41 AM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  
(12-20-2017 11:31 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  The Lord of the Rings represented what happens when someone let's corporate greed corrupt them.

Sauron brought jobs to Middle Earth and the luddite terrorist Hobbits killed him.

03-lmfao03-lmfao03-lmfao

But in true American historical fashion, that wasn't enough for him and he tried to make them slaves with the ring.
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(12-20-2017 12:07 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  
(12-20-2017 11:41 AM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  
(12-20-2017 11:31 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  The Lord of the Rings represented what happens when someone let's corporate greed corrupt them.

Sauron brought jobs to Middle Earth and the luddite terrorist Hobbits killed him.

03-lmfao03-lmfao03-lmfao

But in true American historical fashion, that wasn't enough for him and he tried to make them slaves with the ring.

Kissing the ring doesn't make you a slave, it's a sign of respect.. those little hobbitses show no respect to the precious.
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(12-19-2017 03:12 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  just wait sheeple....................... and don't support people who say to get rid of Mueller.................... Let him do his job.

What's funny about this post, ladies and gentlemen, is that the evidence uncovered by Mueller's investigation has pointed to the DEMOCRATS plotting to let Hillary off the hook and going after Trump. That's why the "mainstream" media is suddenly daring Trump to fire Mueller. My, how the tables have turned.
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(12-19-2017 02:57 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Spy bosses are by nature the most tight-lipped of people. Those who head our intelligence agencies got there in no small part by knowing precisely what to say to whom, when. In recent decades, as the heads of Western intelligence have emerged from the shadows and are expected to make occasional public statements, their utterances are customarily vague, requiring extensive tea-leaf analysis to derive their actual meanings.


When pressed about what exactly he was saying, Clapper explained that he meant his words “figuratively,” but that barely mitigates the shock value of what he said. To be perfectly clear: America’s most experienced spy boss publicly termed our president an asset—that is, a witting agent—of the Kremlin who is being controlled by Vladimir Putin. Even if meant only “figuratively,” this is the most jaw-dropping statement ever uttered about any American president by any serious commentator.
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(12-19-2017 02:57 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Spy bosses are by nature the most tight-lipped of people. Those who head our intelligence agencies got there in no small part by knowing precisely what to say to whom, when. In recent decades, as the heads of Western intelligence have emerged from the shadows and are expected to make occasional public statements, their utterances are customarily vague, requiring extensive tea-leaf analysis to derive their actual meanings.

Even in retirement, spymasters remain habitually enigmatic, and none has been more so than James Clapper, who is our nation’s most experienced spy boss. He retired as the Director of National Intelligence at the beginning of 2017, after over six years in that job—a record. That capped off a career in our Intelligence Community that lasted more than a half-century and included the directorships of two of our nation’s spy agencies. Nobody knows the IC better than Clapper.
While his career had its ups and downs—you don’t work in any trade for over 50 years without missteps—the former far outweighed the latter. Clapper, a retired Air Force three-star general, is widely respected in national security circles, across partisan lines, as a guy who knows his stuff and focuses on the job. Naturally, he’s exceptionally discreet as well.

That changed yesterday, when Clapper went on CNN to drop an unimaginably large bombshell on President Donald Trump. Since the inauguration in January, Clapper has made a few critical comments regarding the president and his strange ties to Moscow, but these have been largely anodyne. Clapper began showing his hand in September, with a comment that the IC assessment of Russian interference in the 2016 election raised questions about why Trump was in the White House: it “cast doubt on the legitimacy of his victory in the election,” he stated.

At the end of October, in an interview with Politico, Clapper added more about Kremlin interference in the 2016 election: “The Russians have succeeded, I believe, beyond their wildest expectations.” Clapper dismissed President Trump’s repeated attacks on the investigation of his Moscow links as “fake news” with a warning that the Russians “have been emboldened and they will continue to do this.”


Clapper went considerably further yesterday in his appearance on CNN’s The Lead, in which he finally let his top secret mask drop to say what he really thinks about our 45th president:

I think this past weekend is illustrative of what a great case officer Vladimir Putin is. He knows how to handle an asset, and that’s what he’s doing with the president … You have to remember Putin’s background. He’s a KGB officer. That’s what they do. They recruit assets. And I think some of that experience and instincts of Putin has come into play here in his managing of a pretty important account for him, if I could use that term, with our president.

When pressed about what exactly he was saying, Clapper explained that he meant his words “figuratively,” but that barely mitigates the shock value of what he said. To be perfectly clear: America’s most experienced spy boss publicly termed our president an asset—that is, a witting agent—of the Kremlin who is being controlled by Vladimir Putin. Even if meant only “figuratively,” this is the most jaw-dropping statement ever uttered about any American president by any serious commentator.


Besides, there’s not much difference between literally and figuratively when we’re talking about the inhabitant of the Oval Office. If the American president is being controlled or unduly influenced by a country that’s hostile to us, that’s a big deal. This, of course, is precisely what Special Counsel Robert Mueller and his investigation are trying to get to the bottom of—and, not coincidentally, what President Trump and his supporters are trying just as hard to prevent Team Mueller from unraveling.

It needs to be stated that Jim Clapper’s words, while shocking to the public, are utterly uncontroversial in American intelligence circles (or with our spy partners worldwide, for that matter). In our Intelligence Community, it’s widely understood that Donald Trump possesses longstanding ties to the Kremlin which are at best suspect and at worst reflective of an unsettling degree of Russian influence over our commander-in-chief.

Although I’ve been out of the IC for more than a decade, even then it was known in counterintelligence circles that some of Trump’s Kremlin connections were questionable. Although Trump is too psychologically unstable to be a bona fide spy for anybody, that he possessed strange linkages to Moscow was hardly a big secret.


In particular, Trump’s flashy 1987 trip to the Soviet Union – an obvious KGB operation to anyone versed in Chekist matters – led to his becoming an apparent agent of influence for Moscow. That is, a conduit for political favors and information, often in exchange for commercial deals of the sort Trump has always prized. Knowing this, the history of the Trump Organization over the last few decades takes on a different coloration.

What exactly is Donald Trump’s relationship to Vladimir Putin and the Kremlin? It seems likely that nobody outside Moscow knows the full story, and we should expect it will take years of investigation by Team Mueller and the IC to unravel this murky three-decade saga. The well-honed Chekist habit of planting disinformation to throw Western counterspies off course, which already seems to be at work in the Trump investigation, promises to drag this inquiry out even longer. Don’t plan on pleasant answers either.

Regardless, Jim Clapper has done our country a valuable service by stating the plain truth about our president. On CNN, he was speaking for all our intelligence professionals who must remain silent because of the lifetime secrecy oaths they took to join the Intelligence Community. After months of public White House attacks on the IC, which have now escalated into all-out war on America’s spies by Team Trump, there is finally some open pushback by the spooks.

This isn’t the mythical Deep State, which Trumpists detect lurking behind every tree in Washington. This was Jim Clapper, now a private citizen, speaking his mind as a highly experienced intelligence officer. The impact of his words can be fairly assessed as devastating to anyone who’s paying attention. Nor will Clapper be the last former spook to go public with his thoughts on Donald Trump and the Russians.

John Schindler is a security expert and former National Security Agency analyst and counterintelligence officer. A specialist in espionage and terrorism, he’s also been a Navy officer and a War College professor. He’s published four books and is on Twitter at @20committee.

SEE ALSO: Intelligence Community Legends Say Putin Is Playing Trump


http://observer.com/2017/12/james-clappe...lin-asset/

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(12-19-2017 05:26 PM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  03-lmfao03-lmfao03-lmfao03-lmfao03-lmfao

If I ever took you seriously before that ended today.

Who me?

lol, no.
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I'm just sitting idly by awaiting on Mach to admit he was wrong.
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(12-19-2017 02:57 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Spy bosses are by nature the most tight-lipped of people. Those who head our intelligence agencies got there in no small part by knowing precisely what to say to whom, when. In recent decades, as the heads of Western intelligence have emerged from the shadows and are expected to make occasional public statements, their utterances are customarily vague, requiring extensive tea-leaf analysis to derive their actual meanings.

Even in retirement, spymasters remain habitually enigmatic, and none has been more so than James Clapper, who is our nation’s most experienced spy boss. He retired as the Director of National Intelligence at the beginning of 2017, after over six years in that job—a record. That capped off a career in our Intelligence Community that lasted more than a half-century and included the directorships of two of our nation’s spy agencies. Nobody knows the IC better than Clapper.
While his career had its ups and downs—you don’t work in any trade for over 50 years without missteps—the former far outweighed the latter. Clapper, a retired Air Force three-star general, is widely respected in national security circles, across partisan lines, as a guy who knows his stuff and focuses on the job. Naturally, he’s exceptionally discreet as well.

That changed yesterday, when Clapper went on CNN to drop an unimaginably large bombshell on President Donald Trump. Since the inauguration in January, Clapper has made a few critical comments regarding the president and his strange ties to Moscow, but these have been largely anodyne. Clapper began showing his hand in September, with a comment that the IC assessment of Russian interference in the 2016 election raised questions about why Trump was in the White House: it “cast doubt on the legitimacy of his victory in the election,” he stated.

At the end of October, in an interview with Politico, Clapper added more about Kremlin interference in the 2016 election: “The Russians have succeeded, I believe, beyond their wildest expectations.” Clapper dismissed President Trump’s repeated attacks on the investigation of his Moscow links as “fake news” with a warning that the Russians “have been emboldened and they will continue to do this.”


Clapper went considerably further yesterday in his appearance on CNN’s The Lead, in which he finally let his top secret mask drop to say what he really thinks about our 45th president:

I think this past weekend is illustrative of what a great case officer Vladimir Putin is. He knows how to handle an asset, and that’s what he’s doing with the president … You have to remember Putin’s background. He’s a KGB officer. That’s what they do. They recruit assets. And I think some of that experience and instincts of Putin has come into play here in his managing of a pretty important account for him, if I could use that term, with our president.

When pressed about what exactly he was saying, Clapper explained that he meant his words “figuratively,” but that barely mitigates the shock value of what he said. To be perfectly clear: America’s most experienced spy boss publicly termed our president an asset—that is, a witting agent—of the Kremlin who is being controlled by Vladimir Putin. Even if meant only “figuratively,” this is the most jaw-dropping statement ever uttered about any American president by any serious commentator.


Besides, there’s not much difference between literally and figuratively when we’re talking about the inhabitant of the Oval Office. If the American president is being controlled or unduly influenced by a country that’s hostile to us, that’s a big deal. This, of course, is precisely what Special Counsel Robert Mueller and his investigation are trying to get to the bottom of—and, not coincidentally, what President Trump and his supporters are trying just as hard to prevent Team Mueller from unraveling.

It needs to be stated that Jim Clapper’s words, while shocking to the public, are utterly uncontroversial in American intelligence circles (or with our spy partners worldwide, for that matter). In our Intelligence Community, it’s widely understood that Donald Trump possesses longstanding ties to the Kremlin which are at best suspect and at worst reflective of an unsettling degree of Russian influence over our commander-in-chief.

Although I’ve been out of the IC for more than a decade, even then it was known in counterintelligence circles that some of Trump’s Kremlin connections were questionable. Although Trump is too psychologically unstable to be a bona fide spy for anybody, that he possessed strange linkages to Moscow was hardly a big secret.


In particular, Trump’s flashy 1987 trip to the Soviet Union – an obvious KGB operation to anyone versed in Chekist matters – led to his becoming an apparent agent of influence for Moscow. That is, a conduit for political favors and information, often in exchange for commercial deals of the sort Trump has always prized. Knowing this, the history of the Trump Organization over the last few decades takes on a different coloration.

What exactly is Donald Trump’s relationship to Vladimir Putin and the Kremlin? It seems likely that nobody outside Moscow knows the full story, and we should expect it will take years of investigation by Team Mueller and the IC to unravel this murky three-decade saga. The well-honed Chekist habit of planting disinformation to throw Western counterspies off course, which already seems to be at work in the Trump investigation, promises to drag this inquiry out even longer. Don’t plan on pleasant answers either.

Regardless, Jim Clapper has done our country a valuable service by stating the plain truth about our president. On CNN, he was speaking for all our intelligence professionals who must remain silent because of the lifetime secrecy oaths they took to join the Intelligence Community. After months of public White House attacks on the IC, which have now escalated into all-out war on America’s spies by Team Trump, there is finally some open pushback by the spooks.

This isn’t the mythical Deep State, which Trumpists detect lurking behind every tree in Washington. This was Jim Clapper, now a private citizen, speaking his mind as a highly experienced intelligence officer. The impact of his words can be fairly assessed as devastating to anyone who’s paying attention. Nor will Clapper be the last former spook to go public with his thoughts on Donald Trump and the Russians.

John Schindler is a security expert and former National Security Agency analyst and counterintelligence officer. A specialist in espionage and terrorism, he’s also been a Navy officer and a War College professor. He’s published four books and is on Twitter at @20committee.

SEE ALSO: Intelligence Community Legends Say Putin Is Playing Trump


http://observer.com/2017/12/james-clappe...lin-asset/

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