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(12-20-2017 10:39 AM)MonarchCAM Wrote:  Some of it is the combination Briles and Kiffin offense and their video game play calling. About 3 weeks in they realized they didn't have the personnel to out-talent anyone...so they decided to out-run them instead. Run 100 plays a game, that keeps the D basic, spread out and tired, then before they adjust, hit them with a well designed play that busts them wide open. Sprinkle in a few "last chance" transfers and you see what you get.

They'll still be good next year, but I don't think they'll blow through everyone either. They caught a lot of teams with their pants down, I don't think that happens as much next year.

Problem for FAU is... you still get a 3/4 empty stadium at a conference championship game; and not much better at a HOME bowl game.

So the coaches made adjustments based on their roster....Interesting idea.
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(12-20-2017 10:43 AM)ODUBB35 Wrote:  
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(12-20-2017 09:13 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  Nothing like a little overreaction. Which transfers or true freahman make an impact? What is FAUs recruting class ranked for next year?

FAU had a fine season. I doubt they are some budding dynasty. The pieces fell in place this uear not too dissimilar to how they did for us last year. Lets see how good they are moving forward before annointing them; all they did is beat a bunch of CUSA teams.

Did you watch the game against us? This was a team that we were equal to, I'd say actually better than, the last three years.
THEN Kiffin was hired and they came to Norfolk at TOTALY TOOK ODU TO THE WOODSHED. Then they beat pretty much everyone else the same way.

Their level of play FAR exceeded us this year and I'm afraid will continue to do so as long as they keep Kiffin around, maybe even longer.

I would rather have ODU step up and catch FAU than to have FAU fall back to where we are. Let's hope they keep him around and remain a good team.

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FAU aiming high!
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He may not stay at F_U for ten years.
This also proves how inferior CUSA coaching is.
Lane Kiffin basically took the athletes the school had and extracted the best out of them.
He made them believe they could win the conference and they did.
He COACHED them.
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(12-20-2017 09:34 AM)Mr.BigBlue Wrote:  FAU was a mid level program like us and struggled to recruit until a REAL FBS coach came in and got the ball rolling. Either ODU steps up and starts investing and acting like an FBS program or go back to FCS.

Are you saying ODU needs to step up and start investing in a coach or stadium? If we're saying the next investment should be in an FBS stadium, we're in agreement. If we're saying the next investment should be in a coach, I don't even think Lane Kiffin could recruit very well to Foreman Field.
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(12-20-2017 09:45 AM)DWING Wrote:  
(12-20-2017 09:13 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  Nothing like a little overreaction. Which transfers or true freahman make an impact? What is FAUs recruting class ranked for next year?

FAU had a fine season. I doubt they are some budding dynasty. The pieces fell in place this uear not too dissimilar to how they did for us last year. Lets see how good they are moving forward before annointing them; all they did is beat a bunch of CUSA teams.

Did you watch the game against us? This was a team that we were equal to, I'd say actually better than, the last three years.
THEN Kiffin was hired and they came to Norfolk at TOTALY TOOK ODU TO THE WOODSHED. Then they beat pretty much everyone else the same way.

Their level of play FAR exceeded us this year and I'm afraid will continue to do so as long as they keep Kiffin around, maybe even longer.

Schools have peaks and valleys. That is nothing new. We had to replace a senior QB and didn't adequately do so (in the short term). Some guys act like whatever happened last year is the new normal and will continue for ever. We were a better team than them....they hired a new coach and had a ton of talent coming back (including the best player in the conference). I'm not sure what there status is in terms of returning players, but that plays a role as well as coaching, injuries, etc.

Its not like Kiffen waved a magic wand and they are a great team now. Do you think if UTEP hired him, they would have won the conference? Its not cut and dry.
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(12-20-2017 08:19 AM)Mr.BigBlue Wrote:  
(12-20-2017 08:10 AM)odu09 Wrote:  
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(12-19-2017 10:35 PM)Quagmire Wrote:  WOW. That was a 4 hour Lane Kiffin informercial on the day before signing day. Good for them and good for the conference but I feel a little sick.

Just goes to show everyone what FBS level coaches, with a few key transfers, and a highly rated recruiting class can do. FAU was a mid-level program like ODU. They aimed high and shot through the roof. Many here are happy with 12-14 rated recruiting classes, FCS level coaches, and the status quo. There was NO reason ODU could not have done the same. You are either going to act and spend like an FBS level program or go back to FCS.

Do we have the same amount of money to be spending on coaches like that? I don't know what the numbers look like but it seems money is tight right now

Yes we do.....Money is not the issue. We had the money to give BW a nice raise last year and well as the asst. coaches plus 2 year contracts. Money is not an excuse. FAU coaches are FBS level and know how to recruit. If ODU does not have the money then we should have NEVER moved to FBS. I just hope all these graduates over the last 15 years are starting to step up with donations because if they don't the old guard donations are starting to diminish.
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During the game one of the guys quoted Kiffin as telling him, paraphrased, "I had to teach the kids how to be coached. It was totally back to the very basics with the team. They didn't know how to be coached." That's telling of their previous coaching staff.
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(12-20-2017 12:39 PM)ODUMONARCHZ1 Wrote:  
(12-20-2017 08:19 AM)Mr.BigBlue Wrote:  
(12-20-2017 08:10 AM)odu09 Wrote:  
(12-20-2017 08:04 AM)Mr.BigBlue Wrote:  
(12-19-2017 10:35 PM)Quagmire Wrote:  WOW. That was a 4 hour Lane Kiffin informercial on the day before signing day. Good for them and good for the conference but I feel a little sick.

Just goes to show everyone what FBS level coaches, with a few key transfers, and a highly rated recruiting class can do. FAU was a mid-level program like ODU. They aimed high and shot through the roof. Many here are happy with 12-14 rated recruiting classes, FCS level coaches, and the status quo. There was NO reason ODU could not have done the same. You are either going to act and spend like an FBS level program or go back to FCS.

Do we have the same amount of money to be spending on coaches like that? I don't know what the numbers look like but it seems money is tight right now

Yes we do.....Money is not the issue. We had the money to give BW a nice raise last year and well as the asst. coaches plus 2 year contracts. Money is not an excuse. FAU coaches are FBS level and know how to recruit. If ODU does not have the money then we should have NEVER moved to FBS. I just hope all these graduates over the last 15 years are starting to step up with donations because if they don't the old guard donations are starting to diminish.
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I think our problem is our assistants. When our WR coaches are making 55k while at VT they pay 200k+. You are going to continue to have young or inexperienced skill coaches and that I feel will keep us from the next rung up until we can afford it.
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(12-20-2017 08:08 AM)Mo Blue Den You Wrote:  
(12-20-2017 08:04 AM)Mr.BigBlue Wrote:  
(12-19-2017 10:35 PM)Quagmire Wrote:  WOW. That was a 4 hour Lane Kiffin informercial on the day before signing day. Good for them and good for the conference but I feel a little sick.

Just goes to show everyone what FBS level coaches, with a few key transfers, and a highly rated recruiting class can do. FAU was a mid-level program like ODU. They aimed high and shot through the roof. Many here are happy with 12-14 rated recruiting classes, FCS level coaches, and the status quo. There was NO reason ODU could not have done the same. You are either going to act and spend like an FBS level program or go back to FCS.

Oh but dont you know they returned a ton of talent so they were destined to win with or without Kiffin...03-banghead
Haha that one makes me lol every time.

They were 3-9 3 years in a row, then Kiffen lucked into a pot of gold when that 3-9 team magically morphed into one of the best G5 teams in the nation, and it had very little to do with him.

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(12-20-2017 08:10 AM)odu09 Wrote:  
(12-20-2017 08:04 AM)Mr.BigBlue Wrote:  
(12-19-2017 10:35 PM)Quagmire Wrote:  WOW. That was a 4 hour Lane Kiffin informercial on the day before signing day. Good for them and good for the conference but I feel a little sick.

Just goes to show everyone what FBS level coaches, with a few key transfers, and a highly rated recruiting class can do. FAU was a mid-level program like ODU. They aimed high and shot through the roof. Many here are happy with 12-14 rated recruiting classes, FCS level coaches, and the status quo. There was NO reason ODU could not have done the same. You are either going to act and spend like an FBS level program or go back to FCS.

Do we have the same amount of money to be spending on coaches like that? I don't know what the numbers look like but it seems money is tight right now
I'm not advocating for firing coaches, but in response to your question, I say this. If we don't have the money to pay at the top of the league in basketball and football, even though we have the highest budget in the league, the we need to start identifying what to cut.

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(12-20-2017 09:31 AM)FearTheLion Wrote:  
(12-20-2017 08:31 AM)Old Dominion Wrote:  I agree. We have a lot of infrastructure needs other schools have already taken care of. FAU played a bowl game in their own stadium ( that did not look to bad by the way).

This is the truth. I'm not saying BW will definitely turn out to be a great coach at this level, but I don't see how anyone can honestly try to compare Kiffin recruiting in that beauty vs what Bobby is selling. And no matter how much we pay, they still have to bring recruits (with choices) to visit that crap building and when they see it, it turns some kids around. Can recruiting against FAU be a serious question right now?
Kiffen didn't need recruits. He did it with the same recruits that were 3-9 the three previous seasons. There is not a lot of difference between the talent in CUSA, which is why coaches are so quickly able to turn programs around. We have seen it in both directions. Bringing in the best classes in CUSA is overrated. It's pretty obvious at this point that coaching means more at our level.

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(12-20-2017 10:39 AM)MonarchCAM Wrote:  Some of it is the combination Briles and Kiffin offense and their video game play calling. About 3 weeks in they realized they didn't have the personnel to out-talent anyone...so they decided to out-run them instead. Run 100 plays a game, that keeps the D basic, spread out and tired, then before they adjust, hit them with a well designed play that busts them wide open. Sprinkle in a few "last chance" transfers and you see what you get.

They'll still be good next year, but I don't think they'll blow through everyone either. They caught a lot of teams with their pants down, I don't think that happens as much next year.

Problem for FAU is... you still get a 3/4 empty stadium at a conference championship game; and not much better at a HOME bowl game.
That sounds like a team we used to know. Why did we get away from it?

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(12-20-2017 05:51 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  
(12-20-2017 08:10 AM)odu09 Wrote:  
(12-20-2017 08:04 AM)Mr.BigBlue Wrote:  
(12-19-2017 10:35 PM)Quagmire Wrote:  WOW. That was a 4 hour Lane Kiffin informercial on the day before signing day. Good for them and good for the conference but I feel a little sick.

Just goes to show everyone what FBS level coaches, with a few key transfers, and a highly rated recruiting class can do. FAU was a mid-level program like ODU. They aimed high and shot through the roof. Many here are happy with 12-14 rated recruiting classes, FCS level coaches, and the status quo. There was NO reason ODU could not have done the same. You are either going to act and spend like an FBS level program or go back to FCS.

Do we have the same amount of money to be spending on coaches like that? I don't know what the numbers look like but it seems money is tight right now
I'm not advocating for firing coaches, but in response to your question, I say this. If we don't have the money to pay at the top of the league in basketball and football, even though we have the highest budget in the league, the we need to start identifying what to cut.

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Well for one softball got cut. I'm still bummed about that one. So there are cuts being made, whether they are as obvious as softball or not.

I still think you need the facilities built for FBS before you hire for FBS.
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(12-20-2017 10:47 PM)odu09 Wrote:  
(12-20-2017 05:51 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  
(12-20-2017 08:10 AM)odu09 Wrote:  
(12-20-2017 08:04 AM)Mr.BigBlue Wrote:  
(12-19-2017 10:35 PM)Quagmire Wrote:  WOW. That was a 4 hour Lane Kiffin informercial on the day before signing day. Good for them and good for the conference but I feel a little sick.

Just goes to show everyone what FBS level coaches, with a few key transfers, and a highly rated recruiting class can do. FAU was a mid-level program like ODU. They aimed high and shot through the roof. Many here are happy with 12-14 rated recruiting classes, FCS level coaches, and the status quo. There was NO reason ODU could not have done the same. You are either going to act and spend like an FBS level program or go back to FCS.

Do we have the same amount of money to be spending on coaches like that? I don't know what the numbers look like but it seems money is tight right now
I'm not advocating for firing coaches, but in response to your question, I say this. If we don't have the money to pay at the top of the league in basketball and football, even though we have the highest budget in the league, the we need to start identifying what to cut.

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Well for one softball got cut. I'm still bummed about that one. So there are cuts being made, whether they are as obvious as softball or not.

I still think you need the facilities built for FBS before you hire for FBS.
Softball didn't get cut. It never existed. I never was even very close to existing. And even you do want to count it as a cut, more obviously needs to be cut since we supposedly can't afford to pay a competitive rate for coaches in our only two revenue generating, profile building sports.

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(12-21-2017 12:12 AM)Monarchblue Wrote:  
(12-20-2017 10:47 PM)odu09 Wrote:  
(12-20-2017 05:51 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  
(12-20-2017 08:10 AM)odu09 Wrote:  
(12-20-2017 08:04 AM)Mr.BigBlue Wrote:  Just goes to show everyone what FBS level coaches, with a few key transfers, and a highly rated recruiting class can do. FAU was a mid-level program like ODU. They aimed high and shot through the roof. Many here are happy with 12-14 rated recruiting classes, FCS level coaches, and the status quo. There was NO reason ODU could not have done the same. You are either going to act and spend like an FBS level program or go back to FCS.

Do we have the same amount of money to be spending on coaches like that? I don't know what the numbers look like but it seems money is tight right now
I'm not advocating for firing coaches, but in response to your question, I say this. If we don't have the money to pay at the top of the league in basketball and football, even though we have the highest budget in the league, the we need to start identifying what to cut.

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Well for one softball got cut. I'm still bummed about that one. So there are cuts being made, whether they are as obvious as softball or not.

I still think you need the facilities built for FBS before you hire for FBS.
Softball didn't get cut. It never existed. I never was even very close to existing. And even you do want to count it as a cut, more obviously needs to be cut since we supposedly can't afford to pay a competitive rate for coaches in our only two revenue generating, profile building sports.

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What a strange argument to hang your hat on. There were plans for softball. Now there are no plans for softball. It got cut due to land and budget restrictions.
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(12-21-2017 07:37 AM)odu09 Wrote:  
(12-21-2017 12:12 AM)Monarchblue Wrote:  
(12-20-2017 10:47 PM)odu09 Wrote:  
(12-20-2017 05:51 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  
(12-20-2017 08:10 AM)odu09 Wrote:  Do we have the same amount of money to be spending on coaches like that? I don't know what the numbers look like but it seems money is tight right now
I'm not advocating for firing coaches, but in response to your question, I say this. If we don't have the money to pay at the top of the league in basketball and football, even though we have the highest budget in the league, the we need to start identifying what to cut.

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Well for one softball got cut. I'm still bummed about that one. So there are cuts being made, whether they are as obvious as softball or not.

I still think you need the facilities built for FBS before you hire for FBS.
Softball didn't get cut. It never existed. I never was even very close to existing. And even you do want to count it as a cut, more obviously needs to be cut since we supposedly can't afford to pay a competitive rate for coaches in our only two revenue generating, profile building sports.

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What a strange argument to hang your hat on. There were plans for softball. Now there are no plans for softball. It got cut due to land and budget restrictions.
I didn't hang my hat on anything. I explicitly said that even if I were to concede that softball was a cut, they apparently need to cut more, since we supposedly can't afford to pay the going rate for top level G5 coaches in football or basketball.

It is shady accounting like yours that has led to a multi trillion dollars debt by our government. Cutting a budget means lowering the dollars spent, not removing potential future expenses while spending ever more on the things that are already budgeted.

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(12-21-2017 12:02 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  
(12-21-2017 07:37 AM)odu09 Wrote:  
(12-21-2017 12:12 AM)Monarchblue Wrote:  
(12-20-2017 10:47 PM)odu09 Wrote:  
(12-20-2017 05:51 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  I'm not advocating for firing coaches, but in response to your question, I say this. If we don't have the money to pay at the top of the league in basketball and football, even though we have the highest budget in the league, the we need to start identifying what to cut.

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Well for one softball got cut. I'm still bummed about that one. So there are cuts being made, whether they are as obvious as softball or not.

I still think you need the facilities built for FBS before you hire for FBS.
Softball didn't get cut. It never existed. I never was even very close to existing. And even you do want to count it as a cut, more obviously needs to be cut since we supposedly can't afford to pay a competitive rate for coaches in our only two revenue generating, profile building sports.

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What a strange argument to hang your hat on. There were plans for softball. Now there are no plans for softball. It got cut due to land and budget restrictions.
I didn't hang my hat on anything. I explicitly said that even if I were to concede that softball was a cut, they apparently need to cut more, since we supposedly can't afford to pay the going rate for top level G5 coaches in football or basketball.

It is shady accounting like yours that has led to a multi trillion dollars debt by our government. Cutting a budget means lowering the dollars spent, not removing potential future expenses while spending ever more on the things that are already budgeted.

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Nice trolling, mate. I don't think I can keep up with that. Keep on missing my main point, which I don't think I need to repeat for a third time. Enjoy your holiday.
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(12-21-2017 01:03 PM)odu09 Wrote:  
(12-21-2017 12:02 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  
(12-21-2017 07:37 AM)odu09 Wrote:  
(12-21-2017 12:12 AM)Monarchblue Wrote:  
(12-20-2017 10:47 PM)odu09 Wrote:  Well for one softball got cut. I'm still bummed about that one. So there are cuts being made, whether they are as obvious as softball or not.

I still think you need the facilities built for FBS before you hire for FBS.
Softball didn't get cut. It never existed. I never was even very close to existing. And even you do want to count it as a cut, more obviously needs to be cut since we supposedly can't afford to pay a competitive rate for coaches in our only two revenue generating, profile building sports.

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What a strange argument to hang your hat on. There were plans for softball. Now there are no plans for softball. It got cut due to land and budget restrictions.
I didn't hang my hat on anything. I explicitly said that even if I were to concede that softball was a cut, they apparently need to cut more, since we supposedly can't afford to pay the going rate for top level G5 coaches in football or basketball.

It is shady accounting like yours that has led to a multi trillion dollars debt by our government. Cutting a budget means lowering the dollars spent, not removing potential future expenses while spending ever more on the things that are already budgeted.

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Nice trolling, mate. I don't think I can keep up with that. Keep on missing my main point, which I don't think I need to repeat for a third time. Enjoy your holiday.
No trolling, just stating that we need to cut more because we can't afford essential expenses, apparently. If it isn't obvious to you after today's announcement, I'm not sure what to say.

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