Dropped the shockers down to 11 and UC moved up to 20.

Top 10

Nova
MSU
ASU
Duke
UNC
Miami
UK
TEXAS A&M
Xavier
West Virginia

AP Top 25
RK TEAM RECORD PTS
1 Villanova (45) 11-0 1,602
2 Michigan State (15) 10-1 1,560
3 Arizona State (5) 10-0 1,429
4 Duke 11-1 1,390
5 North Carolina 10-1 1,332
6 Miami 9-0 1,308
7 Kentucky 9-1 1,231
8 Texas A&M 9-1 1,156
9 Xavier 10-1 1,073
10 West Virginia 9-1 1,040
11 Wichita State 8-2 851
12 Gonzaga 9-2 831
13 Virginia 9-1 796
14 Kansas 8-2 791
15 TCU 10-0 789
16 Purdue 11-2 706
17 Oklahoma 8-1 691
18 Arizona 8-3 396
18 Baylor 9-2 396
20 Cincinnati 9-2 314
21 Tennessee 7-2 308
21 Texas Tech 9-1 308
23 Seton Hall 9-2 223
24 Florida State 9-1 164
25 Creighton 8-2 144

Others receiving votes: Arkansas 83, Notre Dame 73, Clemson 35, Louisville 28, Texas 21, Nevada 13, Oklahoma State 9, Minnesota 9, SMU 5, Alabama 5, Auburn 4, Virginia Tech 3, Rhode Island 2, Syracuse 2, Florida 2, Towson 1, Michigan 1


Detail by voter:

http://collegepolltracker.com/basketball...rcats/2017

15
Jesse Newell

16
David CobbGraham CouchMarcus FullerTheo Lawson

17
Doug DoughtyTyson Alger

18
Carlos SilvaChris DachilleJoe JulianoJohn FeinsteinJustin JacksonMatt McCoyRichard Croome

19
Andrew LopezCecil HurtChris MurrayGeoff GrammerJoe RexrodeJon WilnerZach Osterman

20
Brant WilkersonDave BorgesNorm WoodScott Mansch

21
Dave MatterElton AlexanderKevin BrockwayKevin LyttleLauren BrownlowRick BozichSheldon MicklesThuc Nhi Nguyen

22
Antonio MoralesBrian McInnisDick VitaleJoey KnightJustin FergusonPaul Klee

23
B.J. RainsBob HoltDoug HallerJon RothsteinLindsay SchnellLuke DeCockMark CooperMatt VautourSeth DavisTerry Hutchens

24
David CloningerGary D'AmatoJ.P. ButlerJason ButtJerry CarinoMark BermanScott RicheyShannon RyanTerry TooheyTony Parks

25
John BohnenkampJohn McNamara

NR
Scott WolfKevin McNamaraCraig MeyerJon Nyatawa

KenPom #10
Sagarin #11
BPI #5
RPI #42
Coaches Poll #22

Gonna be a LONG way back up with the pollsters. We can knock them, but both give us a much more favorable ranking than the RPI does. We need UCLA to go on and have a stellar season from here.

(12-18-2017 03:12 PM)BJUnklFkr Wrote:  Gonna be a LONG way back up with the pollsters. We can knock them, but both give us a much more favorable ranking than the RPI does. We need UCLA to go on and have a stellar season from here.

That's because the RPI has nothing to do with how good you are...(well I guess technically 25% of it is loosely correlated with how good you are). The committee's continued use of RPI when good, objective measures exist is still baffling.

(12-18-2017 03:21 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  

(12-18-2017 03:12 PM)BJUnklFkr Wrote:  Gonna be a LONG way back up with the pollsters. We can knock them, but both give us a much more favorable ranking than the RPI does. We need UCLA to go on and have a stellar season from here.

That's because the RPI has nothing to do with how good you are...(well I guess technically 25% of it is loosely correlated with how good you are). The committee's continued use of RPI when good, objective measures exist is still baffling.

Does RPI favor the blue bloods in any objective sense? i forswear any knowledge of how RPI works.

(12-18-2017 03:21 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  

(12-18-2017 03:12 PM)BJUnklFkr Wrote:  Gonna be a LONG way back up with the pollsters. We can knock them, but both give us a much more favorable ranking than the RPI does. We need UCLA to go on and have a stellar season from here.

That's because the RPI has nothing to do with how good you are...(well I guess technically 25% of it is loosely correlated with how good you are). The committee's continued use of RPI when good, objective measures exist is still baffling.

AND SO IT BEGINS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

(12-18-2017 04:18 PM)eroc Wrote:  Does RPI favor the blue bloods in any objective sense? i forswear any knowledge of how RPI works.

My opinion is it actually does the opposite. I'm sure I'm way off in years but I think it was about 10 years ago the formula was adjusted to place more weight on road games. The result is that a mid major that has a good road record can achieve a good RPI even if they don't make an effort to play anybody. A blue blood is usually forced to play tough opponents just based on conferences they're in.

Also it has nothing to do with blue blood vs mid major but since there's no margin of victory it's a really terrible metric. Essentially Xavier gets the same credit for beating a bad mid major in the final seconds at home as the teams that blow them out by 30.

(12-18-2017 01:22 PM)Bearcat2012 Wrote:  AP Top 25
RK TEAM RECORD PTS
1 Villanova (45) 11-0 1,602
2 Michigan State (15) 10-1 1,560
3 Arizona State (5) 10-0 1,429
4 Duke 11-1 1,390
5 North Carolina 10-1 1,332
6 Miami 9-0 1,308
7 Kentucky 9-1 1,231
8 Texas A&M 9-1 1,156
9 Xavier 10-1 1,073
10 West Virginia 9-1 1,040
11 Wichita State 8-2 851
12 Gonzaga 9-2 831
13 Virginia 9-1 796
14 Kansas 8-2 791
15 TCU 10-0 789
16 Purdue 11-2 706
17 Oklahoma 8-1 691
18 Arizona 8-3 396
18 Baylor 9-2 396
20 Cincinnati 9-2 314
21 Tennessee 7-2 308
21 Texas Tech 9-1 308
23 Seton Hall 9-2 223
24 Florida State 9-1 164
25 Creighton 8-2 144

Others receiving votes: Arkansas 83, Notre Dame 73, Clemson 35, Louisville 28, Texas 21, Nevada 13, Oklahoma State 9, Minnesota 9, SMU 5, Alabama 5, Auburn 4, Virginia Tech 3, Rhode Island 2, Syracuse 2, Florida 2, Towson 1, Michigan 1


Detail by voter:

http://collegepolltracker.com/basketball...rcats/2017

15
Jesse Newell

16
David CobbGraham CouchMarcus FullerTheo Lawson

17
Doug DoughtyTyson Alger

18
Carlos SilvaChris DachilleJoe JulianoJohn FeinsteinJustin JacksonMatt McCoyRichard Croome

19
Andrew LopezCecil HurtChris MurrayGeoff GrammerJoe RexrodeJon WilnerZach Osterman

20
Brant WilkersonDave BorgesNorm WoodScott Mansch

21
Dave MatterElton AlexanderKevin BrockwayKevin LyttleLauren BrownlowRick BozichSheldon MicklesThuc Nhi Nguyen

22
Antonio MoralesBrian McInnisDick VitaleJoey KnightJustin FergusonPaul Klee

23
B.J. RainsBob HoltDoug HallerJon RothsteinLindsay SchnellLuke DeCockMark CooperMatt VautourSeth DavisTerry Hutchens

24
David CloningerGary D'AmatoJ.P. ButlerJason ButtJerry CarinoMark BermanScott RicheyShannon RyanTerry TooheyTony Parks

25
John BohnenkampJohn McNamara

NR
Scott WolfKevin McNamaraCraig MeyerJon Nyatawa

SMU at 34. They have 4 straight home games (Boise, Cal Poly, UCF, USF) and then a road game at Tulane before playing at NKU.

As long as they hold serve they'll be hovering right around being ranked when they come here.