(01-03-2018 10:28 AM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  

(01-02-2018 09:11 PM)NIUfrank Wrote:  You think fsu is winable? Did you see the speed and athletic mismatch in the orange bowl. I still am haunted by an early scramble by lynch. I just assumed hed make the edge because he always did. Then he was tracked down and dropped for a loss. I said oh s,hit...this is over.

This was the single most personally clarifying example I'd ever seen of the difference between P5 and G5.

Yes but Carey was coaching the team also. He's made plenty of other schools look like they're way better than us also - Marshall, Boise, Duke, etc. Also, Lynch wasn't thrown for a loss. He just didn't get the couple yards he needed for the first down. And he wasn't faster than Lynch either, they both ran about the same distance, but Lynch had to cut upfield for a couple yards with a guy chasing him from the backside.

I'd also say it wasn't the difference between P5 and G5. It was the difference between FSU and NIU. They had a ridiculous number of guys drafted, and I know Xavier Rhodes for one is already considered one of the best DBs in the NFL.

(01-03-2018 11:14 AM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(01-03-2018 10:28 AM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  

(01-02-2018 09:11 PM)NIUfrank Wrote:  You think fsu is winable? Did you see the speed and athletic mismatch in the orange bowl. I still am haunted by an early scramble by lynch. I just assumed hed make the edge because he always did. Then he was tracked down and dropped for a loss. I said oh s,hit...this is over.

This was the single most personally clarifying example I'd ever seen of the difference between P5 and G5.

Yes but Carey was coaching the team also. He's made plenty of other schools look like they're way better than us also - Marshall, Boise, Duke, etc. Also, Lynch wasn't thrown for a loss. He just didn't get the couple yards he needed for the first down. And he wasn't faster than Lynch either, they both ran about the same distance, but Lynch had to cut upfield for a couple yards with a guy chasing him from the backside.

I'd also say it wasn't the difference between P5 and G5. It was the difference between FSU and NIU. They had a ridiculous number of guys drafted, and I know Xavier Rhodes for one is already considered one of the best DBs in the NFL.

That's this offense in a nutshell. It works great when you have the more talent, or even equal talent. But if you're the lessor talent it just doesn't work at all. It's just too damn hard to run for extra yards as opposed to catching the ball down field. It will tear up most of the mac, save for the top teams. And against most P5 it gets completely shut down.

(01-03-2018 11:14 AM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(01-03-2018 10:28 AM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  

(01-02-2018 09:11 PM)NIUfrank Wrote:  You think fsu is winable? Did you see the speed and athletic mismatch in the orange bowl. I still am haunted by an early scramble by lynch. I just assumed hed make the edge because he always did. Then he was tracked down and dropped for a loss. I said oh s,hit...this is over.

This was the single most personally clarifying example I'd ever seen of the difference between P5 and G5.

Yes but Carey was coaching the team also. He's made plenty of other schools look like they're way better than us also - Marshall, Boise, Duke, etc. Also, Lynch wasn't thrown for a loss. He just didn't get the couple yards he needed for the first down. And he wasn't faster than Lynch either, they both ran about the same distance, but Lynch had to cut upfield for a couple yards with a guy chasing him from the backside.

I'd also say it wasn't the difference between P5 and G5. It was the difference between FSU and NIU. They had a ridiculous number of guys drafted, and I know Xavier Rhodes for one is already considered one of the best DBs in the NFL.

Oh come on. You know what I meant man. Either way I just remember being at that niu bar estate in Chicago, and we we're all just silent right after. So demoralizing.

But again what an experience leading up to that. Such a big game feel. I'm jealous to hear stories of all who went but honestly estate was so cool. Reunion, bonding, just a surreal night.

(01-01-2018 07:15 PM)epasnoopy Wrote:  I like next season's schedule for the mere fact that it will finally stick a fork in Rod Carey's career at NIU. This dude can't even be competitive against 6-6 Duke. It's going to be an ugly season.

Going 6-6 or 5-7 next year won't be viewed as poor performance. Next year's schedule would be a challenge even for the Jordan Lynch years, and as others have said it was a desperation move to keep the athletic department from significant layoffs.

Be careful what you wish for, unless the Carey-haters are going to put their money where their mouth is and pony up some cash to higher a decent coach, we may may well get what we pay for (limited budget, low salary, bottom tier coach) and decline even further (losing seasons). Then we find ourselves wishing for the days of competing for a MAC West title and attending bowl games.

You mean losing bowl games.

(01-04-2018 07:24 AM)HuskieJoe Wrote:  

(01-01-2018 07:15 PM)epasnoopy Wrote:  

Going 6-6 or 5-7 next year won't be viewed as poor performance. Next year's schedule would be a challenge even for the Jordan Lynch years, and as others have said it was a desperation move to keep the athletic department from significant layoffs.

Be careful what you wish for, unless the Carey-haters are going to put their money where their mouth is and pony up some cash to higher a decent coach, we may may well get what we pay for (limited budget, low salary, bottom tier coach) and decline even further (losing seasons). Then we find ourselves wishing for the days of competing for a MAC West title and attending bowl games.

I disagree. A tough schedule is not an excuse for accepting a losing season. The OOC won’t be getting any easier for at least the next four seasons so the program will need to show progress against better competition.

Even if you strike out OOC, 5 - 3 in MAC play is average at best. A potential five game losing streak to CMU and three game streak to Toledo coupled with a third straight year of being the MAC West runner up would mean the program decline is very real. The MAC West doesn’t appear to have that trendy G5 contender like WMU and Toledo the last two years. It should be a wide open race next season. NIU should be and needs to be right in that mix.

(01-04-2018 07:24 AM)HuskieJoe Wrote:  

(01-01-2018 07:15 PM)epasnoopy Wrote:  I like next season's schedule for the mere fact that it will finally stick a fork in Rod Carey's career at NIU. This dude can't even be competitive against 6-6 Duke. It's going to be an ugly season.

Going 6-6 or 5-7 next year won't be viewed as poor performance. Next year's schedule would be a challenge even for the Jordan Lynch years, and as others have said it was a desperation move to keep the athletic department from significant layoffs.

Be careful what you wish for, unless the Carey-haters are going to put their money where their mouth is and pony up some cash to higher a decent coach, we may may well get what we pay for (limited budget, low salary, bottom tier coach) and decline even further (losing seasons). Then we find ourselves wishing for the days of competing for a MAC West title and attending bowl games.

You really think a 5-7 or 6-6 season is deserving of a contract extension? Maybe if our program was at the absolute bottom like when Novak started.

21-17 in the last three years is not good and certainly not extension-worthy.

I do not believe FSU is any where as good as they were in the Orange Bowl. Their QB play alone is a drop off from that time frame. A new coach who is going to clean house and start over to some extent may allow us to catch them sleeping.

But, we all know we need much improved QB play and wide outs to have any shot. Just because I think it is winnable, doesn't mean we will win. it just means we have a shot at it. No one thought we could come close to Nebraska either. But, we caught them off guard and with a bad QB situation. So, anything is possible I think. With the assumption we play a solid game with no mistakes or terrible coaching calls. We almost beat Ohio state too. Anything is possible.

Although we lost by a lot in the Orange bowl, we were in the game until the last 10 minutes. That interception that Lynch threw killed our momentum and the rest of the game followed that line.

(01-04-2018 06:08 PM)Splooie99 Wrote:  I do not believe FSU is any where as good as they were in the Orange Bowl. Their QB play alone is a drop off from that time frame. A new coach who is going to clean house and start over to some extent may allow us to catch them sleeping.

But, we all know we need much improved QB play and wide outs to have any shot. Just because I think it is winnable, doesn't mean we will win. it just means we have a shot at it. No one thought we could come close to Nebraska either. But, we caught them off guard and with a bad QB situation. So, anything is possible I think. With the assumption we play a solid game with no mistakes or terrible coaching calls. We almost beat Ohio state too. Anything is possible.

Although we lost by a lot in the Orange bowl, we were in the game until the last 10 minutes. That interception that Lynch threw killed our momentum and the rest of the game followed that line.

That's pretty much how managed to beat that 8-4 Iowa team in 2013. Caught their QB Jake Rudock in his first college game and it showed. But if we go 3 and out too much it won't matter who's playing QB for FSU. Either Childers gets way better or this offense adjusts. That will be the difference between 5-7 or 8-4.

(01-03-2018 10:28 AM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  

(01-02-2018 09:11 PM)NIUfrank Wrote:  You think fsu is winable? Did you see the speed and athletic mismatch in the orange bowl. I still am haunted by an early scramble by lynch. I just assumed hed make the edge because he always did. Then he was tracked down and dropped for a loss. I said oh s,hit...this is over.

This was the single most personally clarifying example I'd ever seen of the difference between P5 and G5.

And I thought it was the size of their line vs NIU's line. 30 to 50 lbs at every position.

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(01-04-2018 06:48 PM)Teamduh Wrote:  

(01-03-2018 10:28 AM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  

(01-02-2018 09:11 PM)NIUfrank Wrote:  You think fsu is winable? Did you see the speed and athletic mismatch in the orange bowl. I still am haunted by an early scramble by lynch. I just assumed hed make the edge because he always did. Then he was tracked down and dropped for a loss. I said oh s,hit...this is over.

This was the single most personally clarifying example I'd ever seen of the difference between P5 and G5.

And I thought it was the size of their line vs NIU's line. 30 to 50 lbs at every position.

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It's like that in pretty much every game.

(01-04-2018 06:08 PM)Splooie99 Wrote:  I do not believe FSU is any where as good as they were in the Orange Bowl. Their QB play alone is a drop off from that time frame. A new coach who is going to clean house and start over to some extent may allow us to catch them sleeping.

But, we all know we need much improved QB play and wide outs to have any shot. Just because I think it is winnable, doesn't mean we will win. it just means we have a shot at it. No one thought we could come close to Nebraska either. But, we caught them off guard and with a bad QB situation. So, anything is possible I think. With the assumption we play a solid game with no mistakes or terrible coaching calls. We almost beat Ohio state too. Anything is possible.

Although we lost by a lot in the Orange bowl, we were in the game until the last 10 minutes. That interception that Lynch threw killed our momentum and the rest of the game followed that line.

FSU gets their QB back from injury.

I also think it was a questionable fumble call against us in that game and that was a killer.

I remember being at the game and watching the teams warm up and commenting how much bigger FSU players looked. With that said NIU was hanging on and wish Lynch could have completed that pass which was intercepted and drove to a TD. Not saying NIU would have won but Lynch was a gamer and might have kept the momentum in that game. Even the band for FSU was huge.

(01-04-2018 07:23 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(01-04-2018 06:08 PM)Splooie99 Wrote:  I do not believe FSU is any where as good as they were in the Orange Bowl. Their QB play alone is a drop off from that time frame. A new coach who is going to clean house and start over to some extent may allow us to catch them sleeping.

But, we all know we need much improved QB play and wide outs to have any shot. Just because I think it is winnable, doesn't mean we will win. it just means we have a shot at it. No one thought we could come close to Nebraska either. But, we caught them off guard and with a bad QB situation. So, anything is possible I think. With the assumption we play a solid game with no mistakes or terrible coaching calls. We almost beat Ohio state too. Anything is possible.

Although we lost by a lot in the Orange bowl, we were in the game until the last 10 minutes. That interception that Lynch threw killed our momentum and the rest of the game followed that line.

FSU gets their QB back from injury.

I also think it was a questionable fumble call against us in that game and that was a killer.

Well that quarterback had a bad knee injury so he could have quite a bit of rust early in the year. Hey we could only hope we catch em at their worst.

I believe Lynch got a concussion early on in the FSU game.

(01-04-2018 09:00 PM)schaden Wrote:  I believe Lynch got a concussion early on in the FSU game.

Can you think of a play where that happened? It wouldn't surprise me.

(01-04-2018 04:54 PM)epasnoopy Wrote:  

(01-04-2018 07:24 AM)HuskieJoe Wrote:  

(01-01-2018 07:15 PM)epasnoopy Wrote:  I like next season's schedule for the mere fact that it will finally stick a fork in Rod Carey's career at NIU. This dude can't even be competitive against 6-6 Duke. It's going to be an ugly season.

Going 6-6 or 5-7 next year won't be viewed as poor performance. Next year's schedule would be a challenge even for the Jordan Lynch years, and as others have said it was a desperation move to keep the athletic department from significant layoffs.

Be careful what you wish for, unless the Carey-haters are going to put their money where their mouth is and pony up some cash to higher a decent coach, we may may well get what we pay for (limited budget, low salary, bottom tier coach) and decline even further (losing seasons). Then we find ourselves wishing for the days of competing for a MAC West title and attending bowl games.

You really think a 5-7 or 6-6 season is deserving of a contract extension? Maybe if our program was at the absolute bottom like when Novak started.

21-17 in the last three years is not good and certainly not extension-worthy.

We are at an absolute bottom financially.

(01-04-2018 11:16 PM)HuskieJoe Wrote:  

(01-04-2018 04:54 PM)epasnoopy Wrote:  

(01-04-2018 07:24 AM)HuskieJoe Wrote:  

(01-01-2018 07:15 PM)epasnoopy Wrote:  I like next season's schedule for the mere fact that it will finally stick a fork in Rod Carey's career at NIU. This dude can't even be competitive against 6-6 Duke. It's going to be an ugly season.

Going 6-6 or 5-7 next year won't be viewed as poor performance. Next year's schedule would be a challenge even for the Jordan Lynch years, and as others have said it was a desperation move to keep the athletic department from significant layoffs.

Be careful what you wish for, unless the Carey-haters are going to put their money where their mouth is and pony up some cash to higher a decent coach, we may may well get what we pay for (limited budget, low salary, bottom tier coach) and decline even further (losing seasons). Then we find ourselves wishing for the days of competing for a MAC West title and attending bowl games.

You really think a 5-7 or 6-6 season is deserving of a contract extension? Maybe if our program was at the absolute bottom like when Novak started.

21-17 in the last three years is not good and certainly not extension-worthy.

We are at an absolute bottom financially.

We pay Rod Carey nearly $700k a year. More than any coach before him. We clearly aren't that broke. We don't need to pay $1 million. Any good coach knows NIU would be a good job and if they do well can win here easily and move on to a $$$ program. Our previous two coaches did it.

Yeah I don't get this acceptance or settling for subpar. I get we can't afford a buyout but we don't have to resign Carey because we think there are no other candidates we can afford. Next coach will probably come in a little cheaper actually.

Will this post get deleted also? I think I insinuated Carey is subpar. Omg

(01-06-2018 04:35 PM)NIUfrank Wrote:  Yeah I don't get this acceptance or settling for subpar. I get we can't afford a buyout but we don't have to resign Carey because we think there are no other candidates we can afford. Next coach will probably come in a little cheaper actually.

Will this post get deleted also? I think I insinuated Carey is subpar. Omg

That is sacrilege!

I really hope we can part ways. It is a great opportunity for an upcoming coach.