(12-15-2017 05:13 PM)BigBlueTiger901 Wrote:  

(12-15-2017 05:02 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(12-15-2017 04:57 PM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  It’s not over yet. A couple of good signings added to a decent core of Rivers, Davenport, Johnson, etc, and there will be more optimism. Tyler Harris would be a big splash locally..

That was my hope as well. But then early signing came and went. Recruiting is going to get worse - not better - I'm afraid.

If he could secure Harris and Moss he could salvage the class. Don't see that happening though.

Moss and Riddle would be fine.

Honestly. One reason why anyone could have success here.

Memphis is always deep with talent.

(12-18-2017 09:57 PM)bcspiker Wrote:  

(12-16-2017 08:47 AM)ksigtigerdood Wrote:  

(12-16-2017 08:15 AM)SouthernBlue Wrote:  

(12-16-2017 06:45 AM)ksigtigerdood Wrote:  

(12-16-2017 03:58 AM)Beat Everybody Wrote:  Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! All you Tubby Haters you thought you knew everything turns out ya know both Jimmy and Jack Sh**! Turns out, Lawson pointed out the obvious that it is....YOU sorry bandwagon butts are the problem here. YOU guys are scaring the recruits off. So you can stuff that Tubby and his staff can't recruit because they're lazy crap. But chances are, around here, is that you all won't because you've been proven WRONG and you are going to be bound and determined to prove to yourself that you are right and everrrrrybody else is wrong especially, Keelon Lawson. You'll pick sides and go with Bowen(whom I like) because you need a hero and a villain in what is just a beef between the AD and Lawson. What you should encourage a squashing of the hard feelings and a reconciliation between the two. Thank you, Keelon Lawson, for clearing this up. Maybe now this team will now get the fair coverage that is long overdue.

We have the right coach coaching our basketball team. Go Tigers!

Go pull up the last interview he had with J & J. He literally contradicted everything he said in that interview.

Go check out KJ’s instagram. KJ obviously felt Tubby was a problem.

Go check out what recruits are saying about Tubby’s drive to recruit. They say they never see him. So, his claim that recruits are not choosing Memphis because fans are not supporting the program is, at least, partially false.

Keelon is tryin to clear his name. The next year will be a busy one for him. Gotta make sure everything is straight. You know what I’m sayin?

I know that you want to deflect the blame from the fans to Tubby.

However, there is no denying that the constant attacks on the radio and in the forums as well as the poor attendance have a negative effect on recruiting. Fan support matters to potential recruits. We are shooting ourselves in the foot with all of this. Coach Scales (Tyler Harris's coach) said the same thing in twitter and on the radio.

There are fan bases that support teams through thick and thin. St Louis Cardinals and Chicago Cubs baseball, NC State, Big 10 schools and man others come to mind. We don't seem to be among them.

We bear responsibility for the recent poor recruiting as well as the coaching staff. We need to man up and begin to learn to support the team no matter what if we want to be a big time program.

You do realize that our football program averages better attendance than some Big Ten programs, don’t you? We’re seeing record season tickets in football. It seems the fans are choosing to support a program/coach who are trending upward and are actually trying to improve.

OK. Use Raiders fans as an example then. Living in Colorado, I may be a dedicated "Raider Hater" but I do respect their fanbase. They never give up in spite of being one of the most sh*t on fan bases in America. Local recruits used to dream of coming to Memphis because since the garbage strikes that is what every single person in Memphis told them they should do. When Cal came, local recruits still wanted to come here. Cal just bought better. JP started taking local recruits not because they were Penny or Lee or Bedford but because they were good enough to go with some great national recruits that had flaws that the blue bloods would not touch. At that point the best from the city started looking at other options en mass for the first time (FL, KY, even Virginia) and the city supported their decisions. Before that, it was considered a local kids "responsibility" to play for Memphis. Joe Jackson became the exception instead of the norm. It now holds no sway. It is something that Tubby now has to overcome instead of being an advantage. I don't know if he is willing to bother or if he will just try prove he can do it his way. Either way, it is not going to happen as fast as anyone wants.

(12-15-2017 01:35 PM)cbhstiger Wrote:  

(12-15-2017 01:31 PM)UMTiger02 Wrote:  Keelon also said his 2006 Hamilton squad could beat this years East squad because “We had a lot of gang bangers. They don’t have no thugs on their team”

lol

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I have no idea why I'm justifying myself on this, but here goes...

Here's how Oakland has ranked over the last six years
2017: 54,977 (30th/32 teams)
2016: 54,584 (32/32)
2015: 54,613 (30/32)
2014: 53,699 (31/32)
2013: 50,444 (32/32)
2012: 54,216 (32/32)

Capacity is 63,132, although they tarp off some of their stadium (because they cannot sell out their stadium) to make a capacity of 56,063.

Memphis has strong fan support, in comparison to nearly every other G5 team. The city of Memphis is also a hard-working city who supports teams that put forth the same type of effort that we do. But, Tubby and his staff have put forth little effort in improving this program in the 1.5 years since they've been here.

I'll continue to support the team and attend games. But, we're no further along on the rebuild than we were two years ago. In reality, we're in a worse situation. We've given Tubby the benefit of the doubt for a while, but it's about time that we start seeing results (both on the court and in recruiting).

(12-15-2017 12:58 PM)OldManTiger Wrote:  On with Jason and John at 11:40. Podcast will be up later.

Quick excerpts:
Said that the problem was not Tubby ("Tubby is a great coach and a great person").
He said his problems were with Bowen "who lied to us".
Loves Memphis and wants the city to support Tubby and the Tigers.
Says the real problem with local recruiting is the fans not giving the team the support the recruits think they deserve.
Believes Penny will surround himself with the best and be a great college coach.

I will keep an eye out for the podcast link. http://www.espn929.com/media/audio-chann...r-1-121517

NO WAY IT'S ANY OF HIS OR HIS BIRD SLINGIN SONS FAULT . MAN UP KEELON.

(12-18-2017 05:07 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(12-15-2017 06:06 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(12-15-2017 03:29 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(12-15-2017 01:22 PM)Sundanceuiuc Wrote:  

(12-15-2017 12:58 PM)OldManTiger Wrote:  On with Jason and John at 11:40. Podcast will be up later.

Quick excerpts:
Said that the problem was not Tubby ("Tubby is a great coach and a great person").
He said his problems were with Bowen "who lied to us".
Loves Memphis and wants the city to support Tubby and the Tigers.
Says the real problem with local recruiting is the fans not giving the team the support the recruits think they deserve.
Believes Penny will surround himself with the best and be a great college coach.

I will keep an eye out for the podcast link.

This is concerning if true, but it strikes me as not quite accurate. The fanbase is strong and would explode in support if there were literally any top 50-100 players ready to reload next year.

But... I'm not a part of the 901 hoops scene, Lawson is.

So, I can't simply say he's wrong. Hell, he'd know and he might be right.
And if he's right, God help us all.

The enthusiasm needs the seed of recruiting victories or legit wins.
If the recruiting victories need the seed of enthusiasm, with the program where it is?

We have a problem.

He is the 4th person to say something like this in the past few months. Vanover's dad said local support was the reason they were delaying signing. But then he signed anyway. Kennedy's dad or coach said support was an issue. Harris's coach said it last week. Now Keelon.

People here don't want to hear it because it's calling you out as part of the problem - not part of the solution. But after a while there maybe some truth to it?

It is easy to mix up cause and effect. The declining local support (expressed through attendance, I suppose) is the effect. The cause is Tubby's failure to generate excitement upon his hire through adequate recruiting (caused in turn mainly by failure to hire good recruiting assistant coaches), lack of PR skills, massive transfers, lack of winning, and losing games at or near historic margins.

Furthermore, other coaches have revived moribund programs with scant attendance and won enough to draw fans. Larry Brown at SMU comes to mind.

Not mixing up cause and effect. I'm simply telling you that FOUR different people have now said recruiting is suffering because of "fans". I'm not judging whether fans are right or wrong to complain and stay home. I'm just telling you that after FOUR people, who are all pretty close to recruiting, say the same thing then there maybe some truth there. Cause and effect feed off each other in the cycle we're in.

Something else to think about. Fans staying home is certainly a choice they can make. It is exercising some leverage to the situation. Saying you're not happy. Fans did it to Josh and it ultimately played a role in his departure. But why didn't fans come back after the change? I get that many of you wanted someone else. So were you just not coming because you didn't get your guy hired? Because the attendance decline continued after the coaching change. If you were voting no on Josh, shouldn't you have come back and supported the new guy - no matter who? Before the first game had been played? It's fine to vote no on Tubby after 2 years of recruiting and playing. By then, you have something to base it upon. But voting no before the first game?

If fan support plays a roll in recruiting - and FOUR coaches/dads say that it does - then regardless of what Saul/Pooh are doing, we have been hindering our own program for the past 4 years.

Quote:If you were voting no on Josh, shouldn't you have come back and supported the new guy - no matter who? Before the first game had been played? It's fine to vote no on Tubby after 2 years of recruiting and playing. By then, you have something to base it upon. But voting no before the first game?

The new guy was seen by most as a horrible hire. The first two and now the third recruiting cycle, and the end of last season solidified it. A Norvell equivalent would have recruited much better, would have energized the fan base and probably would have been smart enough to make it work with Keelon.

So the answer is almost no matter who.

(12-18-2017 06:11 PM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  

(12-18-2017 06:04 PM)Tigx Wrote:  

(12-18-2017 05:37 PM)MemphisTigers2009 Wrote:  I saw a ton of talent recently here in Memphis on TV. Forget the Lawsons, I'm just baffled that Tubby isn't recruiting them.

They are. When everyone was going crazy about no Tiger staff being at the game at White Station last Thursday, because the Tigers were in New York, Gianotto also tweeted that the Memphis staff had been at the prior two East games.

Question is who? Lomax signed with Wichita State and Boyce signed with UAB. Chandler and Wiseman and Dandridge are juniors. My guess is Dandridge is their priority.

People are in love with ratings. Memphis isn’t putting out a lot of high ranked players next year. Hard to find local top 50 players when they don’t exist. I think Tyler Harris is the highest ranked Memphis player at around 120. Lomax was right around there.

Not a great year locally although Tyler Harris would be a great pick up.

Because of their ranking they should have been easy pickups. There was much less competition for them than Shawne Williams, Adonis, JJ, Crawford, Black, Grice, Scooter, EW, Leslie McDonald...

Lomax or Harris should have been a layup for Tubby.

(12-19-2017 01:49 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(12-18-2017 05:07 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(12-15-2017 06:06 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(12-15-2017 03:29 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(12-15-2017 01:22 PM)Sundanceuiuc Wrote:  This is concerning if true, but it strikes me as not quite accurate. The fanbase is strong and would explode in support if there were literally any top 50-100 players ready to reload next year.

But... I'm not a part of the 901 hoops scene, Lawson is.

So, I can't simply say he's wrong. Hell, he'd know and he might be right.
And if he's right, God help us all.

The enthusiasm needs the seed of recruiting victories or legit wins.
If the recruiting victories need the seed of enthusiasm, with the program where it is?

We have a problem.

He is the 4th person to say something like this in the past few months. Vanover's dad said local support was the reason they were delaying signing. But then he signed anyway. Kennedy's dad or coach said support was an issue. Harris's coach said it last week. Now Keelon.

People here don't want to hear it because it's calling you out as part of the problem - not part of the solution. But after a while there maybe some truth to it?

It is easy to mix up cause and effect. The declining local support (expressed through attendance, I suppose) is the effect. The cause is Tubby's failure to generate excitement upon his hire through adequate recruiting (caused in turn mainly by failure to hire good recruiting assistant coaches), lack of PR skills, massive transfers, lack of winning, and losing games at or near historic margins.

Furthermore, other coaches have revived moribund programs with scant attendance and won enough to draw fans. Larry Brown at SMU comes to mind.

Not mixing up cause and effect. I'm simply telling you that FOUR different people have now said recruiting is suffering because of "fans". I'm not judging whether fans are right or wrong to complain and stay home. I'm just telling you that after FOUR people, who are all pretty close to recruiting, say the same thing then there maybe some truth there. Cause and effect feed off each other in the cycle we're in.

Something else to think about. Fans staying home is certainly a choice they can make. It is exercising some leverage to the situation. Saying you're not happy. Fans did it to Josh and it ultimately played a role in his departure. But why didn't fans come back after the change? I get that many of you wanted someone else. So were you just not coming because you didn't get your guy hired? Because the attendance decline continued after the coaching change. If you were voting no on Josh, shouldn't you have come back and supported the new guy - no matter who? Before the first game had been played? It's fine to vote no on Tubby after 2 years of recruiting and playing. By then, you have something to base it upon. But voting no before the first game?

If fan support plays a roll in recruiting - and FOUR coaches/dads say that it does - then regardless of what Saul/Pooh are doing, we have been hindering our own program for the past 4 years.

Quote:If you were voting no on Josh, shouldn't you have come back and supported the new guy - no matter who? Before the first game had been played? It's fine to vote no on Tubby after 2 years of recruiting and playing. By then, you have something to base it upon. But voting no before the first game?

The new guy was seen by most as a horrible hire. The first two and now the third recruiting cycle, and the end of last season solidified it. A Norvell equivalent would have recruited much better, would have energized the fan base and probably would have been smart enough to make it work with Keelon.

So the answer is almost no matter who.

Last year wasn't a bust and this year ain't over yet. He came in too late the first year ... so it shouldn't count. So the way I see it ... if he shows what he can do with the #1 class in the AAC and the late signing period ... then ... he's open game. Anything else is just guessing isn't it.

(12-19-2017 02:17 PM)steves Wrote:  

(12-19-2017 01:49 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(12-18-2017 05:07 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(12-15-2017 06:06 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(12-15-2017 03:29 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  He is the 4th person to say something like this in the past few months. Vanover's dad said local support was the reason they were delaying signing. But then he signed anyway. Kennedy's dad or coach said support was an issue. Harris's coach said it last week. Now Keelon.

People here don't want to hear it because it's calling you out as part of the problem - not part of the solution. But after a while there maybe some truth to it?

It is easy to mix up cause and effect. The declining local support (expressed through attendance, I suppose) is the effect. The cause is Tubby's failure to generate excitement upon his hire through adequate recruiting (caused in turn mainly by failure to hire good recruiting assistant coaches), lack of PR skills, massive transfers, lack of winning, and losing games at or near historic margins.

Furthermore, other coaches have revived moribund programs with scant attendance and won enough to draw fans. Larry Brown at SMU comes to mind.

Not mixing up cause and effect. I'm simply telling you that FOUR different people have now said recruiting is suffering because of "fans". I'm not judging whether fans are right or wrong to complain and stay home. I'm just telling you that after FOUR people, who are all pretty close to recruiting, say the same thing then there maybe some truth there. Cause and effect feed off each other in the cycle we're in.

Something else to think about. Fans staying home is certainly a choice they can make. It is exercising some leverage to the situation. Saying you're not happy. Fans did it to Josh and it ultimately played a role in his departure. But why didn't fans come back after the change? I get that many of you wanted someone else. So were you just not coming because you didn't get your guy hired? Because the attendance decline continued after the coaching change. If you were voting no on Josh, shouldn't you have come back and supported the new guy - no matter who? Before the first game had been played? It's fine to vote no on Tubby after 2 years of recruiting and playing. By then, you have something to base it upon. But voting no before the first game?

If fan support plays a roll in recruiting - and FOUR coaches/dads say that it does - then regardless of what Saul/Pooh are doing, we have been hindering our own program for the past 4 years.

Quote:If you were voting no on Josh, shouldn't you have come back and supported the new guy - no matter who? Before the first game had been played? It's fine to vote no on Tubby after 2 years of recruiting and playing. By then, you have something to base it upon. But voting no before the first game?

The new guy was seen by most as a horrible hire. The first two and now the third recruiting cycle, and the end of last season solidified it. A Norvell equivalent would have recruited much better, would have energized the fan base and probably would have been smart enough to make it work with Keelon.

So the answer is almost no matter who.

Last year wasn't a bust and this year ain't over yet. He came in too late the first year ... so it shouldn't count. So the way I see it ... if he shows what he can do with the #1 class in the AAC and the late signing period ... then ... he's open game. Anything else is just guessing isn't it.

Mmk

If Terry Bradshaw and Keelon were in a spelling bee, my money would be all over Bradshaw.

Just sayin’.

That is all.

(12-19-2017 08:53 PM)TG4 Wrote:  If Terry Bradshaw and Keelon were in a spelling bee, my money would be all over Bradshaw.

Just sayin’.

That is all.

Bradshaw might not be big on book learning but he could read a defense and chunk a football.

To his credit, he took some shots back in the day that would loosen up anybody's shoestrings.

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