Any player at this level should be able to make an inbounds pass and a ton of bigs throw the ball in to the guards. Not making a excuse for the coach but the players should be able to inbound vs a press or any other defense. I don't like to see guards making the pass simply because they should be catching the ball. No reason for this to happen is the deal.

On another not I heard than Houston Fancher is now the head coach at Charlotte?

(12-14-2017 01:52 PM)jumpinmullet Wrote:  Any player at this level should be able to make an inbounds pass and a ton of bigs throw the ball in to the guards. Not making a excuse for the coach but the players should be able to inbound vs a press or any other defense. I don't like to see guards making the pass simply because they should be catching the ball. No reason for this to happen is the deal.

You clearly didn't watch. Inbounding wasn't the problem. the problem was the other three players were all up the floor, leaving the big man as the only option for the PG to throw too when he got trapped. Inbound to PG from big, PG gets trapped, pass back to big man who is stuck handling or passing in the backcourt against a press. Follow now?

(12-14-2017 01:53 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  

(12-14-2017 01:52 PM)jumpinmullet Wrote:  Any player at this level should be able to make an inbounds pass and a ton of bigs throw the ball in to the guards. Not making a excuse for the coach but the players should be able to inbound vs a press or any other defense. I don't like to see guards making the pass simply because they should be catching the ball. No reason for this to happen is the deal.

You clearly didn't watch. Inbounding wasn't the problem. the problem was the other three players were all up the floor, leaving the big man as the only option for the PG to throw too when he got trapped. Inbound to PG from big, PG gets trapped, pass back to big man who is stuck handling or passing in the backcourt against a press. Follow now?

I did not see the game,heard some of it on the radio but he was not clear on what was happening with the press or the press break offense. That would only happen one time and then they should be looking for another ball handler in the backcourt-not good at all.

Cacok was handling the ball at the back of the press for most of the 2nd half when they were pressing a lot.

(12-14-2017 02:03 PM)82hawk Wrote:  Cacok was handling the ball at the back of the press for most of the 2nd half when they were pressing a lot.

He, and Bryant also got the ball in the same spot multiple times.

I believe that the roster turnover has been the biggest reason for the change in win-loss record this season. (Yes, yes 1st-time coach, new system...I know), but losing the majority of starters from last season combined with the recruiting class has resulted in a roster with probably 3 guys at the end of the bench with no business being on a D1 roster (Kalina, Brown, Etoroma). Would have been nice to give the freshmen & younger guards a bit more time to ease into D1 ball/new system.

(12-14-2017 12:00 PM)jumpinmullet Wrote:  Defense was better but we all know you have to take care of the ball on the road to have any chance of winning games. Sounds like most were unforced and just being sloppy with the ball,that is something that can and has to change quickly. Seahawks have about 4 or 5 legit D1 players than can compete at this level and maybe 2 or 3 young guys that will be good. The roster is just not where it needs to be right now to compete in top 1/3 of the CAA and if they can go .500 in conference I would consider that a success. Its hard to go backward but it has to happen with most mid majors when they change coaches for whatever reason. At this point they have played less than 1/3 of one season so I don't really have enough evidence to judge the staff on. I will say that losing the best returning backcourt player is a killer.

(12-14-2017 12:00 PM)jumpinmullet Wrote:  Defense was better but we all know you have to take care of the ball on the road to have any chance of winning games. Sounds like most were unforced and just being sloppy with the ball,that is something that can and has to change quickly
Seahawks have about 4 or 5 legit D1 players than can compete at this level and maybe 2 or 3 young guys that will be good. The roster is just not where it needs to be right now to compete in top 1/3 of the CAA and if they can go .500 in conference I would consider that a success. Its hard to go backward but it has to happen with most mid majors when they change coaches for whatever reason. At this point they have played less than 1/3 of one season so I don't really have enough evidence to judge the staff on. I will say that losing the best returning backcourt player is a killer.

Agreed, you would have thought the new staff woyld have been able to see that and do what it needed to do to keep him here.

(12-14-2017 03:25 PM)GrayHawk Wrote:  

(12-14-2017 12:00 PM)jumpinmullet Wrote:  Defense was better but we all know you have to take care of the ball on the road to have any chance of winning games. Sounds like most were unforced and just being sloppy with the ball,that is something that can and has to change quickly
Seahawks have about 4 or 5 legit D1 players than can compete at this level and maybe 2 or 3 young guys that will be good. The roster is just not where it needs to be right now to compete in top 1/3 of the CAA and if they can go .500 in conference I would consider that a success. Its hard to go backward but it has to happen with most mid majors when they change coaches for whatever reason. At this point they have played less than 1/3 of one season so I don't really have enough evidence to judge the staff on. I will say that losing the best returning backcourt player is a killer.

Agreed, you would have thought the new staff woyld have been able to see that and do what it needed to do to keep him here.

That dude was never staying here when Keatts ask to come with him and I gotta think that happened the day after the last game was played. That is squarely on Keatts and nobody else.

(12-14-2017 04:08 PM)jumpinmullet Wrote:  

(12-14-2017 03:25 PM)GrayHawk Wrote:  

(12-14-2017 12:00 PM)jumpinmullet Wrote:  Defense was better but we all know you have to take care of the ball on the road to have any chance of winning games. Sounds like most were unforced and just being sloppy with the ball,that is something that can and has to change quickly
Seahawks have about 4 or 5 legit D1 players than can compete at this level and maybe 2 or 3 young guys that will be good. The roster is just not where it needs to be right now to compete in top 1/3 of the CAA and if they can go .500 in conference I would consider that a success. Its hard to go backward but it has to happen with most mid majors when they change coaches for whatever reason. At this point they have played less than 1/3 of one season so I don't really have enough evidence to judge the staff on. I will say that losing the best returning backcourt player is a killer.

Agreed, you would have thought the new staff woyld have been able to see that and do what it needed to do to keep him here.

That dude was never staying here when Keatts ask to come with him and I gotta think that happened the day after the last game was played. That is squarely on Keatts and nobody else.

LOL here we go. I'm not going down that rabbit hole again

McGrath said it was clear when he took the job that Bryce was out. Why waste time trying to get someone to stay when their mind is already made up.

(12-15-2017 08:22 AM)Seahawk2010 Wrote:  McGrath said it was clear when he took the job that Bryce was out. Why waste time trying to get someone to stay when their mind is already made up.

Because he was a "franchise" player, and he was on YOUR campus for 2 months between the April 3rd hire, and announcing his transfer on May 27th.

(12-15-2017 09:13 AM)GrayHawk Wrote:  

(12-15-2017 08:22 AM)Seahawk2010 Wrote:  McGrath said it was clear when he took the job that Bryce was out. Why waste time trying to get someone to stay when their mind is already made up.

Because he was a "franchise" player, and he was on YOUR campus for 2 months between the April 3rd hire, and announcing his transfer on May 27th.

While i agree. i don't think there is any need to re-hash this now. We had a thread with hundreds of posts around this topic.

There are a lot of arguments against McGrath that have NOTHING do to with basketball. Interesting given there is plenty to discuss on the court.

(12-15-2017 12:38 PM)bricksnivy Wrote:  There are a lot of arguments against McGrath that have NOTHING do to with basketball. Interesting given there is plenty to discuss on the court.

Thanks.

And if y’all want to discuss those... open a thread to do so. Just know that it’ll be dealt with on a shorter leash than other threads due to the sensitivity of the topic. Until then, there’s no need to do this on every basketball game thread.

For all the UNCW veterans. In hopes of potentially some of the new posters sticking around, let’s exercise a bit more patience with them as they get involved. Just remember while we’ve talked about some of these topics at great length, perhaps they haven’t. Like I said, certain topics will be on a shorter leash than others due to the sensitivity, but I would like us to extend that olive branch of sorts to our new folks.

(12-14-2017 02:36 PM)UNCWSuperFan Wrote:  I believe that the roster turnover has been the biggest reason for the change in win-loss record this season. (Yes, yes 1st-time coach, new system...I know), but losing the majority of starters from last season combined with the recruiting class has resulted in a roster with probably 3 guys at the end of the bench with no business being on a D1 roster (Kalina, Brown, Etoroma). Would have been nice to give the freshmen & younger guards a bit more time to ease into D1 ball/new system.

(12-14-2017 12:00 PM)jumpinmullet Wrote:  Defense was better but we all know you have to take care of the ball on the road to have any chance of winning games. Sounds like most were unforced and just being sloppy with the ball,that is something that can and has to change quickly. Seahawks have about 4 or 5 legit D1 players than can compete at this level and maybe 2 or 3 young guys that will be good. The roster is just not where it needs to be right now to compete in top 1/3 of the CAA and if they can go .500 in conference I would consider that a success. Its hard to go backward but it has to happen with most mid majors when they change coaches for whatever reason. At this point they have played less than 1/3 of one season so I don't really have enough evidence to judge the staff on. I will say that losing the best returning backcourt player is a killer.

Would like to note that Entorama was going to be on this year’s roster regardless, he was essentially a practice player last year while waiting for his academic eligibility to be cleared

(12-15-2017 09:13 AM)GrayHawk Wrote:  

(12-15-2017 08:22 AM)Seahawk2010 Wrote:  McGrath said it was clear when he took the job that Bryce was out. Why waste time trying to get someone to stay when their mind is already made up.

Because he was a "franchise" player, and he was on YOUR campus for 2 months between the April 3rd hire, and announcing his transfer on May 27th.

Bryce was finishing out the academic school year before officially announcing. I think someone on here mentioned he needed to get his GPA up before UNCW would release him.

(12-14-2017 01:18 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  

(12-14-2017 01:02 PM)SEA33HAWK Wrote:  Since we shot a dismal 64% free throws, should we have the coaches shoot for them?

Even if we shot 100% we still lose. Whereas we turn the ball over only 5x we probably win.
I understand you are in the other camp 33, but is my suggestion above not fair?

I have much of the same thoughts you do. But still will give the process a chance, instead of piling on so soon. I see things that should be addressed. And, while I didn't have great expectations for this season, I do think play should improve sooner than later. I learned during the Wainright and Brownell eras that we lost a lot of winnable non conference games due to their experiments in preparation for conference play.
I still don't see us contending this year, but hope the play improves. I will give McGrath the time to build something with his players to fit his style of play. We have no other choice for the next couple years anyway, except to support our players. If it doesn't turn around, then we will be cursed with another coaching search. Something I am very tired of and will try my best to support our players in a positive way as much as I can. Don't ever think that even the negativity in this little fan board won't reach the players and weigh on them. It happened when Moss was here. Young guys these days pay attention to this stuff. I mentioned to the Keatts coaching staff early on about the negativity on this board. And the chances if it affecting players. Especially comments about individual players. They were very aware of it. I feel that, as fans, we have every right to express concerns. But I don't think it's good hammering a player incessantly. And that has happened.

(12-16-2017 08:59 AM)SEA33HAWK Wrote:  

(12-14-2017 01:18 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  

(12-14-2017 01:02 PM)SEA33HAWK Wrote:  Since we shot a dismal 64% free throws, should we have the coaches shoot for them?

Even if we shot 100% we still lose. Whereas we turn the ball over only 5x we probably win.
I understand you are in the other camp 33, but is my suggestion above not fair?

I have much of the same thoughts you do. But still will give the process a chance, instead of piling on so soon. I see things that should be addressed. And, while I didn't have great expectations for this season, I do think play should improve sooner than later. I learned during the Wainright and Brownell eras that we lost a lot of winnable non conference games due to their experiments in preparation for conference play.
I still don't see us contending this year, but hope the play improves. I will give McGrath the time to build something with his players to fit his style of play. We have no other choice for the next couple years anyway, except to support our players. If it doesn't turn around, then we will be cursed with another coaching search. Something I am very tired of and will try my best to support our players in a positive way as much as I can. Don't ever think that even the negativity in this little fan board won't reach the players and weigh on them. It happened when Moss was here. Young guys these days pay attention to this stuff. I mentioned to the Keatts coaching staff early on about the negativity on this board. And the chances if it affecting players. Especially comments about individual players. They were very aware of it. I feel that, as fans, we have every right to express concerns. But I don't think it's good hammering a player incessantly. And that has happened.

That's a fair take.