(12-13-2017 07:59 PM)UCinNKY Wrote:  He would be a first team all american and a top 10 pick. I'd rather see someone not as talented play with extreme hustle and scary, than someone as talented as Evans be as passive as he is. I was thinking;even if he DOES get drafted-he wont last if he doesn't develop a killer instinct.

Yeah, my argument to that would be Luke Kennard. Production doesn't equal playing time at the next level. Kennard scored like crazy, was first team all ACC and can barely play at all on the NBA level. This isn't the NBA of the 90s, you either have the measurables, athleticism and skillset or you don't. Evans is the right age, has the right length and athleticism; the niche he fills is desirable there. Is he going to bully other teams in college? Probably not. He'll be playing at the next level for a considerable time all the same.


I'm more annoyed that our bench plays like crap now, that Cumberland isn't producing at all like we expected, that we're struggling to get to the mid 60's the last two games, that our backup point guard isn't doing nearly as much as he should, that Kyle Washington is only getting 5 boards a game, that we don't switch out fast enough on three point shooters and that Evans is forced to do as much as he does.

He's not a point guard. He's not Kemba Walker and if that's what we're counting on for success then we're not going far at all this season. I'm disillusioned by what I see, but Evans would be the last person I'd be nagging right now.

(12-15-2017 11:49 AM)Recluse1 Wrote:  Evans is the right age, has the right length and athleticism; the niche he fills is desirable there. Is he going to bully other teams in college? Probably not. He'll be playing at the next level for a considerable time all the same.

I love Jacob, but there are a bunch of players with his measurables. NBA rosters are number games. If Jacob isn't drafted in the first round (he's probably a late 2nd at best), he'll have a very hard time sticking.

IMHO, if Keith Williams would improve his shooting mechanics, which are horrible, I think he's the Bearcat with the best shot for a NBA career. He seems to have an explosive first step and attacks the rim hard.

(12-15-2017 12:31 PM)Romell Shorter Wrote:  

(12-15-2017 11:49 AM)Recluse1 Wrote:  Evans is the right age, has the right length and athleticism; the niche he fills is desirable there. Is he going to bully other teams in college? Probably not. He'll be playing at the next level for a considerable time all the same.

I love Jacob, but there are a bunch of players with his measurables. NBA rosters are number games. If Jacob isn't drafted in the first round (he's probably a late 2nd at best), he'll have a very hard time sticking.

IMHO, if Keith Williams would improve his shooting mechanics, which are horrible, I think he's the Bearcat with the best shot for a NBA career. He seems to have an explosive first step and attacks the rim hard.

I doubt there are that many + defenders with his length, athleticism and shooting ability. If there are, who are they?
As for Williams, I agree he has potential but who knows how long it will be til he gets a jumpshot?

(12-15-2017 12:40 PM)Recluse1 Wrote:  

(12-15-2017 12:31 PM)Romell Shorter Wrote:  

(12-15-2017 11:49 AM)Recluse1 Wrote:  Evans is the right age, has the right length and athleticism; the niche he fills is desirable there. Is he going to bully other teams in college? Probably not. He'll be playing at the next level for a considerable time all the same.

I love Jacob, but there are a bunch of players with his measurables. NBA rosters are number games. If Jacob isn't drafted in the first round (he's probably a late 2nd at best), he'll have a very hard time sticking.

IMHO, if Keith Williams would improve his shooting mechanics, which are horrible, I think he's the Bearcat with the best shot for a NBA career. He seems to have an explosive first step and attacks the rim hard.

I doubt there are that many + defenders with his length, athleticism and shooting ability. If there are, who are they?
As for Williams, I agree he has potential but who knows how long it will be til he gets a jumpshot?

Defense is value added but if he really wants to help himself he needs to try and get his FT% up and keep his shooting averages near what they are now (at least according to bbal reference):

FG%
49.5

FG3%
40.8

FT%
76.5

50/40/90 are magic numbers for NBA types. if he brings those numbers and is an above average defender then he'll make it to the L.

Edit: He also needs to improve his handle. He projects as an SG at his height.

(12-15-2017 11:49 AM)Recluse1 Wrote:  

(12-13-2017 07:59 PM)UCinNKY Wrote:  He would be a first team all american and a top 10 pick. I'd rather see someone not as talented play with extreme hustle and scary, than someone as talented as Evans be as passive as he is. I was thinking;even if he DOES get drafted-he wont last if he doesn't develop a killer instinct.

Yeah, my argument to that would be Luke Kennard. Production doesn't equal playing time at the next level. Kennard scored like crazy, was first team all ACC and can barely play at all on the NBA level. This isn't the NBA of the 90s, you either have the measurables, athleticism and skillset or you don't. Evans is the right age, has the right length and athleticism; the niche he fills is desirable there. Is he going to bully other teams in college? Probably not. He'll be playing at the next level for a considerable time all the same.


I'm more annoyed that our bench plays like crap now, that Cumberland isn't producing at all like we expected, that we're struggling to get to the mid 60's the last two games, that our backup point guard isn't doing nearly as much as he should, that Kyle Washington is only getting 5 boards a game, that we don't switch out fast enough on three point shooters and that Evans is forced to do as much as he does.

He's not a point guard. He's not Kemba Walker and if that's what we're counting on for success then we're not going far at all this season. I'm disillusioned by what I see, but Evans would be the last person I'd be nagging right now.

Kennard was one of the worst defenders in high level D1 last year. Coach K had to hide him on defense. Kennard has ZERO ability to defend a pick and roll. Whoever told him he was ready for the NBA was either stupid or a liar.

Evans is far more versatile than Kennard.

(12-15-2017 12:59 PM)eroc Wrote:  

(12-15-2017 12:40 PM)Recluse1 Wrote:  

(12-15-2017 12:31 PM)Romell Shorter Wrote:  

(12-15-2017 11:49 AM)Recluse1 Wrote:  Evans is the right age, has the right length and athleticism; the niche he fills is desirable there. Is he going to bully other teams in college? Probably not. He'll be playing at the next level for a considerable time all the same.

I love Jacob, but there are a bunch of players with his measurables. NBA rosters are number games. If Jacob isn't drafted in the first round (he's probably a late 2nd at best), he'll have a very hard time sticking.

IMHO, if Keith Williams would improve his shooting mechanics, which are horrible, I think he's the Bearcat with the best shot for a NBA career. He seems to have an explosive first step and attacks the rim hard.

I doubt there are that many + defenders with his length, athleticism and shooting ability. If there are, who are they?
As for Williams, I agree he has potential but who knows how long it will be til he gets a jumpshot?

Defense is value added but if he really wants to help himself he needs to try and get his FT% up and keep his shooting averages near what they are now (at least according to bbal reference):

FG%
49.5

FG3%
40.8

FT%
76.5

50/40/90 are magic numbers for NBA types. if he brings those numbers and is an above average defender then he'll make it to the L.

Edit: He also needs to improve his handle. He projects as an SG at his height.

I just don't know who is hitting those 50/40/90 numbers at his height and athleticism? If you did, you'd be a top 3 pick.

Jacob Evans shooting numbers look better than Jimmy Butlers after their freshmen season's. I think he can be every bit the prospect coming out that Butler was... now what he does when he get's there will be the huge question. For 1 Jimmy Butler there were 10 guys that entered the league just like him to not have much of a career. But late first early second would be my guess, if he improves as a senior, I could see him going as high as just after lotto.

(12-15-2017 02:20 PM)ucbrownsfan Wrote:  

(12-15-2017 12:59 PM)eroc Wrote:  

(12-15-2017 12:40 PM)Recluse1 Wrote:  

(12-15-2017 12:31 PM)Romell Shorter Wrote:  

(12-15-2017 11:49 AM)Recluse1 Wrote:  Evans is the right age, has the right length and athleticism; the niche he fills is desirable there. Is he going to bully other teams in college? Probably not. He'll be playing at the next level for a considerable time all the same.

I love Jacob, but there are a bunch of players with his measurables. NBA rosters are number games. If Jacob isn't drafted in the first round (he's probably a late 2nd at best), he'll have a very hard time sticking.

IMHO, if Keith Williams would improve his shooting mechanics, which are horrible, I think he's the Bearcat with the best shot for a NBA career. He seems to have an explosive first step and attacks the rim hard.

I doubt there are that many + defenders with his length, athleticism and shooting ability. If there are, who are they?
As for Williams, I agree he has potential but who knows how long it will be til he gets a jumpshot?

Defense is value added but if he really wants to help himself he needs to try and get his FT% up and keep his shooting averages near what they are now (at least according to bbal reference):

FG%
49.5

FG3%
40.8

FT%
76.5

50/40/90 are magic numbers for NBA types. if he brings those numbers and is an above average defender then he'll make it to the L.

Edit: He also needs to improve his handle. He projects as an SG at his height.

I just don't know who is hitting those 50/40/90 numbers at his height and athleticism? If you did, you'd be a top 3 pick.

Jacob Evans shooting numbers look better than Jimmy Butlers after their freshmen season's. I think he can be every bit the prospect coming out that Butler was... now what he does when he get's there will be the huge question. For 1 Jimmy Butler there were 10 guys that entered the league just like him to not have much of a career. But late first early second would be my guess, if he improves as a senior, I could see him going as high as just after lotto.

50/40/90 is like superstar stuff. That's like Steph/Durant.

(12-14-2017 10:33 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  Let’s have some fun and turn it around. If Eric Hicks played Jacob Evans’ position he would have played NAIA ball. He couldn’t chew gum and dribble at the same time when he got here.

Perhaps Evans just needs to play the post?

If I recall correctly, Eric came to UC thinking he would play the 3. Huggins was incredibly frustrated with him the beginning of his freshman year because he didn't like contact, didn't want to play in the post and wouldn't rebound. Hick's frustration with Huggins was so high that he was late returning from Xmas break . . .

(12-15-2017 02:33 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  

(12-15-2017 02:20 PM)ucbrownsfan Wrote:  

(12-15-2017 12:59 PM)eroc Wrote:  

(12-15-2017 12:40 PM)Recluse1 Wrote:  

(12-15-2017 12:31 PM)Romell Shorter Wrote:  I love Jacob, but there are a bunch of players with his measurables. NBA rosters are number games. If Jacob isn't drafted in the first round (he's probably a late 2nd at best), he'll have a very hard time sticking.

IMHO, if Keith Williams would improve his shooting mechanics, which are horrible, I think he's the Bearcat with the best shot for a NBA career. He seems to have an explosive first step and attacks the rim hard.

I doubt there are that many + defenders with his length, athleticism and shooting ability. If there are, who are they?
As for Williams, I agree he has potential but who knows how long it will be til he gets a jumpshot?

Defense is value added but if he really wants to help himself he needs to try and get his FT% up and keep his shooting averages near what they are now (at least according to bbal reference):

FG%
49.5

FG3%
40.8

FT%
76.5

50/40/90 are magic numbers for NBA types. if he brings those numbers and is an above average defender then he'll make it to the L.

Edit: He also needs to improve his handle. He projects as an SG at his height.

I just don't know who is hitting those 50/40/90 numbers at his height and athleticism? If you did, you'd be a top 3 pick.

Jacob Evans shooting numbers look better than Jimmy Butlers after their freshmen season's. I think he can be every bit the prospect coming out that Butler was... now what he does when he get's there will be the huge question. For 1 Jimmy Butler there were 10 guys that entered the league just like him to not have much of a career. But late first early second would be my guess, if he improves as a senior, I could see him going as high as just after lotto.

50/40/90 is like superstar stuff. That's like Steph/Durant.

i realize that 50/40/90 at the NBA level is high caliber. i should clarify that i didn't expect JEIII to achieve that at the NBA level. More that he is producing at that caliber right now, save for FTs, and that his ability to maintain those averages will get him noticed by NBA scouts.

(12-15-2017 12:31 PM)Romell Shorter Wrote:  

(12-15-2017 11:49 AM)Recluse1 Wrote:  Evans is the right age, has the right length and athleticism; the niche he fills is desirable there. Is he going to bully other teams in college? Probably not. He'll be playing at the next level for a considerable time all the same.

I love Jacob, but there are a bunch of players with his measurables. NBA rosters are number games. If Jacob isn't drafted in the first round (he's probably a late 2nd at best), he'll have a very hard time sticking.

IMHO, if Keith Williams would improve his shooting mechanics, which are horrible, I think he's the Bearcat with the best shot for a NBA career. He seems to have an explosive first step and attacks the rim hard.

brooks best pro prospect out of under classmen

I really like Keith Williams’ potential on defense. And he is incredible at attacking the rim- best I have seen in a Bearcat uniform outside of maybe Lance Stephenson- Rucker Park mentality maybe? But he has a looooooong way to go before we start talking NBA. Dude can’t shoot worth ****. Shooting guards who can’t shoot don’t go to the NBA.

(12-16-2017 07:27 PM)Bearcatbdub Wrote:  I really like Keith Williams’ potential on defense. And he is incredible at attacking the rim- best I have seen in a Bearcat uniform outside of maybe Lance Stephenson- Rucker Park mentality maybe? But he has a looooooong way to go before we start talking NBA. Dude can’t shoot worth ****. Shooting guards who can’t shoot don’t go to the NBA.

Was telling my wife I thought Williams could really be good one day. He needs to be able to hit jumpers. If he gets that down, with his ability to drive to the hoop, he will be something.