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CBS Picks CUSA Over MAC in Football
Link: https://www.cbssports.com/college-footba...p-in-2017/

Probably just splitting hairs...
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(12-11-2017 02:41 PM)wleakr Wrote:  Link: https://www.cbssports.com/college-footba...p-in-2017/

Probably just splitting hairs...

MAC didn't have a great year. Toledo was good.
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RE: CBS Picks CUSA Over MAC in Football
I think CUSA was better overall than MAC - at least this season. Who knows come 2018.
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I think that while the MAC hasn't been very good this season, we still edge out the C-USA. Their champ lost to UB and UAB nearly won their division after getting a modern death penalty yet even then they still lost to Ball State. Their trio of UTEP/UNC-C/Rice went a combined 2-34, that was anywhere from one to three automatic wins for everyone else. Methinks that they won't fare so well in bowl season.
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(12-11-2017 06:48 PM)Love and Honor Wrote:  I think that while the MAC hasn't been very good this season, we still edge out the C-USA. Their champ lost to UB and UAB nearly won their division after getting a modern death penalty yet even then they still lost to Ball State. Their trio of UTEP/UNC-C/Rice went a combined 2-34, that was anywhere from one to three automatic wins for everyone else. Methinks that they won't fare so well in bowl season.

Yet, your East division champion went 7-5 during the regular season. I think that says more about MAC as a whole this season than one of our losses. Also, your trio of Ball State, Kent State, and Bowling Green went 3/24 in conference play compared to our trio going 2/24 in conference play. MAC had just as many "automatic wins" as CUSA did. Overall, CUSA was better than MAC this season.
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(12-11-2017 07:57 PM)thefaU Wrote:  
(12-11-2017 06:48 PM)Love and Honor Wrote:  I think that while the MAC hasn't been very good this season, we still edge out the C-USA. Their champ lost to UB and UAB nearly won their division after getting a modern death penalty yet even then they still lost to Ball State. Their trio of UTEP/UNC-C/Rice went a combined 2-34, that was anywhere from one to three automatic wins for everyone else. Methinks that they won't fare so well in bowl season.

Yet, your East division champion went 7-5 during the regular season. I think that says more about MAC as a whole this season than one of our losses. Also, your trio of Ball State, Kent State, and Bowling Green went 3/24 in conference play compared to our trio going 2/24 in conference play. MAC had just as many "automatic wins" as CUSA did. Overall, CUSA was better than MAC this season.

The two wins from Rice and Charlotte were both against C-USA opponents while three of the six Kent/BG/Ball wins were out of conference, and of the three MAC wins one was the BG-Kent game with the other two against Miami (featuring one of the more incompetent coaching staffs around). Yeah the MAC East isn't good, but even the Sagarin ratings put it above both C-USA divisions. And while Toledo's resume isn't the best thing since sliced bread, at least they were close into the 4th against The U and they didn't finish OOC play with just one win (against Bethune-Cookman).
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(12-11-2017 08:42 PM)Love and Honor Wrote:  The two wins from Rice and Charlotte were both against C-USA opponents while three of the six Kent/BG/Ball wins were out of conference, and of the three MAC wins one was the BG-Kent game with the other two against Miami (featuring one of the more incompetent coaching staffs around). Yeah the MAC East isn't good, but even the Sagarin ratings put it above both C-USA divisions. And while Toledo's resume isn't the best thing since sliced bread, at least they were close into the 4th against The U and they didn't finish OOC play with just one win (against Bethune-Cookman).

Yet, two of those wins (Ball State over Tennessee Tech & Kent State over Howard) were FCS wins. Neither UTEP nor Rice played an FCS team this season. And Charlotte's loss is (most likely) to the FCS champion (North Carolina A&T), whereas Tennessee Tech, for example, has won one game. So those wins are moot in comparison. And those wins greatly affect Sagarin's ratings for OOC wins and win %. Ball State did beat UAB. Well done. UAB was actually a great team this season. Bill Clark deserved COTY for what he's done with/for that program. But how about we look at the strength of schedule statistics and then compare? I'm sure that will provide us with a better overall picture.

Also, I'm not comparing Florida Atlantic to Toledo. Y'all were clearly the better team this season (if only we got to play them instead of Akron in our bowl game!). We clearly did not start the season off well, but are on a 9-game win streak (second to UCF). What I'm comparing are MAC and CUSA as a whole. As I pointed out prior, MAC had just as many "automatic wins" as CUSA did. So instead of concentrating on our bottom trios, let's look at the overall picture. This is where we beat you. Collectively, we played better as a conference. We don't have one great division and one semi-okay division. This is why CUSA should be (and are) ranked higher than MAC this season.
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This is a very poorly written sentence:

Akron was Toldeo's opponent in the conference championship game but finished 7-6, along with Northern Illinois and Ohio.

First, he spelled Toledo wrong and second it makes it sound like Northern and Ohio were 7-6 like Akron. we weren't.
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(12-11-2017 06:48 PM)Love and Honor Wrote:  I think that while the MAC hasn't been very good this season, we still edge out the C-USA. Their champ lost to UB and UAB nearly won their division after getting a modern death penalty yet even then they still lost to Ball State. Their trio of UTEP/UNC-C/Rice went a combined 2-34, that was anywhere from one to three automatic wins for everyone else. Methinks that they won't fare so well in bowl season.

To be fair, Ball State was a completely different team then, they still had Neal and Gilbert at that point. Buffalo ended up being a bowl team. I think the MAC and CUSA were both pretty bad conferences. Like another poster said, it's splitting hairs. Toledo was good and that's about it.
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(12-11-2017 09:42 PM)thefaU Wrote:  Charlotte's loss is (most likely) to the FCS champion (North Carolina A&T), whereas Tennessee Tech, for example, has won one game.

Just a slight correction. NC A&T is not in the FCS playoffs because the MEAC champion is obligated to play in the Celebration Bowl. This doesn't change the point you were making though about relative quality of opponent.
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Cusa was 10 mean points behind us in the massey composite... They have bowl teams ranked in the bottom 30. Dont buy it.
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(12-12-2017 02:12 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  Cusa was 10 mean points behind us in the massey composite... They have bowl teams ranked in the bottom 30. Dont buy it.

According to the Massey composite, there are zero CUSA bowl-attending or bowl-eligible teams in the bottom 30. Your statement is completely false.

Also, your two bowl-eligible teams Buffalo & Western Michigan are right there with ours. We just happened to get bowl bids. AND your East division champion Akron is sitting pretty at #86 with our low-end bowl-eligible teams.

P.S. You don't round up to 10. Yes, we did have 3 poor performing teams that raised our mean.
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(12-12-2017 03:16 PM)thefaU Wrote:  
(12-12-2017 02:12 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  Cusa was 10 mean points behind us in the massey composite... They have bowl teams ranked in the bottom 30. Dont buy it.

According to the Massey composite, there are zero CUSA bowl-attending or bowl-eligible teams in the bottom 30. Your statement is completely false.

Also, your two bowl-eligible teams Buffalo & Western Michigan are right there with ours. We just happened to get bowl bids. AND your East division champion Akron is sitting pretty at #86 with our low-end bowl-eligible teams.

P.S. You don't round up to 10. Yes, we did have 3 poor performing teams that raised our mean.

WKU was below the line. They made up ground after week 14. Sorry....

Line up Toledo with FAU
UNT with CMU
UAB with NIU
FIU with OU
and whoever you want with Akron, UB, and WMU.

CUSA would go ofer.
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30 Toledo
35 FAU
57 NIU
62 OHIO
66 UNT
67 CMU
72 Marshall
77 FIU
81 WMU
82 SOMiss
86 Akron
88 UB
92 EMU (not eligible)
93 UAB
96 UTSA
97 MTSU
98 Miami (not eligible)
99 WKU
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112 ODU
116 BG
121 CCU
124 Kent
125 Rice
126 Ball state
128 Charlotte
130 UTEP

CUSA has 4 bottom 10 teams. 1 top 50 team. And 4 bowl eligible teams ranked in the bottom 40 (between 90 and 100) where the MAC has two 5 win teams equal to your eligibles. In addition to that our worst team 126 Ball State beat 93 UAB, and our 88 UB beat your number 35 and conference champ.
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(12-12-2017 04:59 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  WKU was below the line. They made up ground after week 14. Sorry....

Line up Toledo with FAU
UNT with CMU
UAB with NIU
FIU with OU
and whoever you want with Akron, UB, and WMU.

CUSA would go ofer.

First, the current Massey composite is from December 2nd. WKU's ranking dropped to its current position with its loss to FIU in their final regular season game. And it wasn't a small margin. It was 41-17. They were never below the line. They did not make up ground. They lost ground. When is the last time you supposedly checked Massey? You can't just claim something as true when it's clearly not.

Second, you claimed "teams" were in the bottom 30. Which others (other than WKU) were supposedly below the line?

Third, CUSA has 3* bottom 10 teams. Not 4. This is already something I've discussed at length. You can read my previous posts. (See: MAC has 3 bottom 15 teams.) I don't know why we're having a pissing contest with the bottom of the barrel?

Fourth, when you're trying to show how one thing is inferior to another, you don't point out similarities: "1 top 50 team."

Fifth, CUSA has two more teams in its conference than MAC. Of course we're going to have more middle-of-the-road teams than you. That's why you'll see more teams ranked near the middle-bottom.

Finally, please bring your own points into this conversation. We've already talked about Ball State/UAB and Buffalo/Florida Atlantic at length. As George pointed out, Ball State was a different team at the beginning of their season. You can tell by how they played against Illinois. As I pointed out, so were Florida Atlantic. How did Buffalo almost beat second-ranked Northern Illinois and BEAT third-ranked Ohio? How did Ohio BEAT Toledo into the ground 38-10 but lose to Buffalo? I only ask since you're so fixated on single losses.

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(12-12-2017 06:25 PM)thefaU Wrote:  
(12-12-2017 04:59 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  WKU was below the line. They made up ground after week 14. Sorry....

Line up Toledo with FAU
UNT with CMU
UAB with NIU
FIU with OU
and whoever you want with Akron, UB, and WMU.

CUSA would go ofer.

First, the current Massey composite is from December 2nd. WKU's ranking dropped to its current position with its loss to FIU in their final regular season game. And it wasn't a small margin. It was 41-17. They were never below the line. They did not make up ground. They lost ground. When is the last time you supposedly checked Massey? You can't just claim something as true when it's clearly not.

Second, you claimed "teams" were in the bottom 30. Which others (other than WKU) were supposedly below the line?

Third, CUSA has 3* bottom 10 teams. Not 4. This is already something I've discussed at length. You can read my previous posts. (See: MAC has 3 bottom 15 teams.) I don't know why we're having a pissing contest with the bottom of the barrel?

Fourth, when you're trying to show how one thing is inferior to another, you don't point out similarities: "1 top 50 team."

Fifth, CUSA has two more teams in its conference than MAC. Of course we're going to have more middle-of-the-road teams than you. That's why you'll see more teams ranked near the middle-bottom.

Finally, please bring your own points into this conversation. We've already talked about Ball State/UAB and Buffalo/Florida Atlantic at length. As George pointed out, Ball State was a different team at the beginning of their season. You can tell by how they played against Illinois. As I pointed out, so were Florida Atlantic. How did Buffalo almost beat second-ranked Northern Illinois and BEAT third-ranked Ohio? How did Ohio BEAT Toledo into the ground 38-10 but lose to Buffalo? I only ask since you're so fixated on single losses.

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Half of your league has 6 losses when the good teams in our league have 4. I dont think there is a 2nd good team with a good OOC resume in CUSA? At least no proof of being good? Where are the good wins? 65th is the midway point in college football. Start there.

The point remains that our top is better than your top. Our middle is better than your middle...and you all have inflated win totals because no single team is that good. FAU being the best VIA transfers and a to be 2 year head coach to bolt pre bowl in 2018 is the only thing to pat your back on.

Toledo has better wins and better losses than FAU. End of story.
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(12-12-2017 07:44 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  Half of your league has 6 losses when the good teams in our league have 4. I dont think there is a 2nd good team with a good OOC resume in CUSA? At least no proof of being good? Where are the good wins? 65th is the midway point in college football. Start there.

The point remains that our top is better than your top. Our middle is better than your middle...and you all have inflated win totals because no single team is that good. FAU being the best VIA transfers and a to be 2 year head coach to bolt pre bowl in 2018 is the only thing to pat your back on.

Toledo has better wins and better losses than FAU. End of story.

First, you're making false statements again. We have 3 teams with 6 losses. That is not half. We have more teams with less than 6 losses than we do with 6 losses.

Second, if 4 losses or fewer is your determination of a "good team," MAC has 4 and CUSA has 5. One point CUSA.

Third, let's take a look at Toledo's OOC schedule:
1. The loss to Miami. Understood.
2. A win over an FCS program.
3. A win over a 3-9 MWC team.
4. A win over a 2-10 AAC team.
Wow, that's some strength of schedule. Pat yourself on the back.
(I'm being facetious here because we played all bowl-eligible teams besides our FCS match-up.)

Fourth, the best win MAC had was Buffalo over Florida Atlantic. The next best was Northern Illinois over #78 Nebraska. Then Ball State over #93 UAB and Eastern Michigan over #95 Rutgers. CUSA on the other hand had North Texas over #56 Army, Middle Tennessee over #71 Syracuse, and Florida International over #83 Tulane. CUSA, two points.

Fifth, your top consists of Toledo. That's it. Yes, Toledo is better than Florida Atlantic. I already stated that in another post. It's pretty lonely at the top. One point MAC, I guess.

Sixth, your middle consists of Northern Illinois, Ohio, Central Michigan, and Western Michigan. Sorry, Akron does not fall into this category even if they were your East division champion. Our middle consists of North Texas, Marshall, Florida International, and Southern Miss. Record-wise, CUSA wins 32-30. Three points.

Seventh, besides Toledo, the same can be said about MAC: "You all have inflated win totals because no single team is that good." This is clearly demonstrated by the fact that your East conference champion went into the championship game with a record of 7-5. I think that says more about your conference than anything does about ours.

Lastly, I'm just looking at MAC and CUSA as a whole. I'm happy with our "2-year head coach" and "transfers" that won our championship this season. I know you meant that as an insult, but I take pride in my team. All I'm doing is listing the facts and statistics. Show me once where I stated Florida Atlantic was better than Toledo. You cant, because I didn't. And I wouldn't. But I will state CUSA was much better than MAC this season. And that's a fact backed up by the statistics.

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Final tally: CUSA 3, MAC 1
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(12-12-2017 08:50 PM)thefaU Wrote:  
(12-12-2017 07:44 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  Half of your league has 6 losses when the good teams in our league have 4. I dont think there is a 2nd good team with a good OOC resume in CUSA? At least no proof of being good? Where are the good wins? 65th is the midway point in college football. Start there.

The point remains that our top is better than your top. Our middle is better than your middle...and you all have inflated win totals because no single team is that good. FAU being the best VIA transfers and a to be 2 year head coach to bolt pre bowl in 2018 is the only thing to pat your back on.

Toledo has better wins and better losses than FAU. End of story.

First, you're making false statements again. We have 3 teams with 6 losses. That is not half. We have more teams with less than 6 losses than we do with 6 losses.

Second, if 4 losses or fewer is your determination of a "good team," MAC has 4 and CUSA has 5. One point CUSA.

Third, let's take a look at Toledo's OOC schedule:
1. The loss to Miami. Understood.
2. A win over an FCS program.
3. A win over a 3-9 MWC team.
4. A win over a 2-10 AAC team.
Wow, that's some strength of schedule. Pat yourself on the back.
(I'm being facetious here because we played all bowl-eligible teams besides our FCS match-up.)

Fourth, the best win MAC had was Buffalo over Florida Atlantic. The next best was Northern Illinois over #78 Nebraska. Then Ball State over #93 UAB and Eastern Michigan over #95 Rutgers. CUSA on the other hand had North Texas over #56 Army, Middle Tennessee over #71 Syracuse, and Florida International over #83 Tulane. CUSA, two points.

Fifth, your top consists of Toledo. That's it. Yes, Toledo is better than Florida Atlantic. I already stated that in another post. It's pretty lonely at the top. One point MAC, I guess.

Sixth, your middle consists of Northern Illinois, Ohio, Central Michigan, and Western Michigan. Sorry, Akron does not fall into this category even if they were your East division champion. Our middle consists of North Texas, Marshall, Florida International, and Southern Miss. Record-wise, CUSA wins 32-30. Three points.

Seventh, besides Toledo, the same can be said about MAC: "You all have inflated win totals because no single team is that good." This is clearly demonstrated by the fact that your East conference champion went into the championship game with a record of 7-5. I think that says more about your conference than anything does about ours.

Lastly, I'm just looking at MAC and CUSA as a whole. I'm happy with our "2-year head coach" and "transfers" that won our championship this season. I know you meant that as an insult, but I take pride in my team. All I'm doing is listing the facts and statistics. Show me once where I stated Florida Atlantic was better than Toledo. You cant, because I didn't. And I wouldn't. But I will state CUSA was much better than MAC this season. And that's a fact backed up by the statistics.

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Final tally: CUSA 3, MAC 1
Half of your league has 6 wins OR better... Sorry.

And not because of strength... Proof? 1 top 65 team.

Your league overall is garbage and we would win 1 v 1, 2 v 2, 3 v 3 etc. Luckily u get ur number 1 vs. Our 5 and our number 4 vs. Ur number 3... So if u win both? Great. But our league WAY more correlates with the MWC than CUSA.

Mean and median being point 1.
UB beating ur league champ? Point 2.
Idc If FAU is better now. It happened...

We lost to an 8 win conf member on the road without our all league RB, and a 10 win ACC team. Facts.

No other midmajor losses and not a scrub conference schedule. We played the best in our conference. 8 win NIU? Check. 8 win CMU? Check. 6 win WMU check. 7 win Akron? X2 check.

Sorry we scheduled 10 win Tulsa from 2016 and they ended up playing like poop in 2017.
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(12-12-2017 09:23 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  Half of your league has 6 wins OR better... Sorry.

And not because of strength... Proof? 1 top 65 team.

Your league overall is garbage and we would win 1 v 1, 2 v 2, 3 v 3 etc. Luckily u get ur number 1 vs. Our 5 and our number 4 vs. Ur number 3... So if u win both? Great. But our league WAY more correlates with the MWC than CUSA.

Mean and median being point 1.
UB beating ur league champ? Point 2.
Idc If FAU is better now. It happened...

We lost to an 8 win conf member on the road without our all league RB, and a 10 win ACC team. Facts.

No other midmajor losses and not a scrub conference schedule. We played the best in our conference. 8 win NIU? Check. 8 win CMU? Check. 6 win WMU check. 7 win Akron? X2 check.

Sorry we scheduled 10 win Tulsa from 2016 and they ended up playing like poop in 2017.

10 out of 14 CUSA teams have 6 or more wins
^ This is well over half. 71.4% to be precise.

First, how is it that MAC ends up playing more FCS programs than CUSA when we have two more conference members than y'all? That's literally insane.

Second, all I've provided is proof. You've provided me with none. I've shown CUSA to beat better opponents than MAC. Remember, we're comparing the two.

Third, do you honestly think Florida Atlantic wants to play MAC's #5 team? Wait. That's not how they market it... they say it's vs. the MAC runner-up. Anyways, no. Who wants to watch a bowl game where their team is the (-22.5) favorite? We would much rather have played Toledo. Obviously.

Fourth, you've got your facts wrong yet again. Ohio is your #3, UAB is our #7. Didn't we just go over this? So if we DO win this game, yes it DOES say something.

Fifth, the only way MAC correlates more with the MWC than CUSA does is that the conference is more regional. That's it. Period.

Sixth, how about Colley's rankings? CUSA outranks MAC there. Another point for CUSA, I suppose. We've still got more points, if you're counting.

Seventh, I find it funny that you keep harping on the Buffalo win. Is that the only ammunition you've got?

Eighth, Florida Atlantic played the best in CUSA: 9-win North Texas (x2), 8-win Florida International, 7-win Marshall, etc. Also, Florida Atlantic only played one of our bottom trio (Charlotte) while Toledo played two of yours (Ball State & Bowling Green). I don't know why you keep bringing this back to a Toledo vs. Florida Atlantic thing. Or is that all MAC has to offer?

Ninth, I bet Florida Atlantic will beat Akron by a wider margin than Toledo did. You in?

Lastly, good luck in your bowl game against Appalachian State. God forbid you lose...

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(12-12-2017 10:25 PM)thefaU Wrote:  
(12-12-2017 09:23 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  Half of your league has 6 wins OR better... Sorry.

And not because of strength... Proof? 1 top 65 team.

Your league overall is garbage and we would win 1 v 1, 2 v 2, 3 v 3 etc. Luckily u get ur number 1 vs. Our 5 and our number 4 vs. Ur number 3... So if u win both? Great. But our league WAY more correlates with the MWC than CUSA.

Mean and median being point 1.
UB beating ur league champ? Point 2.
Idc If FAU is better now. It happened...

We lost to an 8 win conf member on the road without our all league RB, and a 10 win ACC team. Facts.

No other midmajor losses and not a scrub conference schedule. We played the best in our conference. 8 win NIU? Check. 8 win CMU? Check. 6 win WMU check. 7 win Akron? X2 check.

Sorry we scheduled 10 win Tulsa from 2016 and they ended up playing like poop in 2017.

10 out of 14 CUSA teams have 6 or more wins
^ This is well over half. 71.4% to be precise.

First, how is it that MAC ends up playing more FCS programs than CUSA when we have two more conference members than y'all? That's literally insane.

Second, all I've provided is proof. You've provided me with none. I've shown CUSA to beat better opponents than MAC. Remember, we're comparing the two.

Third, do you honestly think Florida Atlantic wants to play MAC's #5 team? Wait. That's not how they market it... they say it's vs. the MAC runner-up. Anyways, no. Who wants to watch a bowl game where their team is the (-22.5) favorite? We would much rather have played Toledo. Obviously.

Fourth, you've got your facts wrong yet again. Ohio is your #3, UAB is our #7. Didn't we just go over this? So if we DO win this game, yes it DOES say something.

Fifth, the only way MAC correlates more with the MWC than CUSA does is that the conference is more regional. That's it. Period.

Sixth, how about Colley's rankings? CUSA outranks MAC there. Another point for CUSA, I suppose. We've still got more points, if you're counting.

Seventh, I find it funny that you keep harping on the Buffalo win. Is that the only ammunition you've got?

Eighth, Florida Atlantic played the best in CUSA: 9-win North Texas (x2), 8-win Florida International, 7-win Marshall, etc. Also, Florida Atlantic only played one of our bottom trio (Charlotte) while Toledo played two of yours (Ball State & Bowling Green). I don't know why you keep bringing this back to a Toledo vs. Florida Atlantic thing. Or is that all MAC has to offer?

Ninth, I bet Florida Atlantic will beat Akron by a wider margin than Toledo did. You in?

Lastly, good luck in your bowl game against Appalachian State. God forbid you lose...

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1. We play FCS because the only P5 geological conference we have is the BIG10.
2. None? Massey mean. Higher conference average by quite a bit. And 2 conference teams with 5 wins in the group where you have FOUR WEAK bowl eligibles between 93 and 99!!!!
3. Heck no. Who would want to play Akron? To be fair all of their losses are to solid teams?? (Statement for Akron fans looking for a silver lining)
4. Ohio lost the last 2 games after wacking us. They finished 8-4. 2nd in the weak division. They arent playing like the 3. Most agree that CMU is the 2 in the conference right now, followed by NIU then Ohio/Akron. UB ended on a high note to maybe be in that consideration? Im not sure.
5. Massey means have us neck and neck with MWC. I dont use another ranking system because that is the end all average between them all.
6. Colleys? Thats 1 system? Might as well use the sagarins, S&p+, Fpi. All are equally as useless with their own advantages.
7. When you are directly comparing conferences, dont lose to a 6 and 6er from the one you are comparing to.
8. Your teams win totals are inflated. Idc what the win totals are of teams finishing below 70th in the composite rankings. 7 or 8 wins means 93rd for UAB. Thats 5 wins for EMU.
9. We were up 38 to zilch on akron and pulled off the dogs in our title game. We dont have a kiffin complex. We let our younger guys get experience and hes just there to put you on the map for 2 years so he can bounce.
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