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Okay, while we are waiting for bowl season. Does P12 and B10 push for power 4?
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RE: Okay, while we are waiting for bowl season. Does P12 and B10 push for power 4?
(12-12-2017 02:58 PM)ken d Wrote:  
(12-12-2017 01:10 PM)Crump1 Wrote:  
(12-10-2017 11:24 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(12-10-2017 06:34 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  Again, this is more if sitting at a bar conversation and brainstorming. Not that it will happen.

Since everyone talks about an 8 team playoff ...

Thing is, as soon as we get an 8-team playoff, "everyone" will immediately start clamoring for a 16-team playoff, just like when we had the BCS, and there was big controversy over who should be #2, everyone would say "a four-team playoff would solve this and make everyone happy!"

Truth is, no playoff format will do that. We know this because the Big Dance has 68 freaking teams, and yet the entire month leading up to Selection Sunday is dominated by talk of "who is on the bubble" and as soon as the teams are selected, it's about "whose bubble burst", "who got robbed", etc.

It's really pointless. Think about it: The only sports where there is no controversy about who made the playoffs are sports in which there are no 'at large' bids, where every spot is determined by some formula that involves winning a division followed by formal tie-breakers.

As long as someone is going to be selected by humans, there will be controversy and unhappiness, no matter if the field is 4 teams or 400 teams.
This is seriously the easiest thing in the world. It is only done in every other legitimate team sport that crowns a champion. Every conference champ gets in. Period. Pick some at large teams if you like but if you do not win your conference you have no gripe. Win it or join a conference you can win if you want to be in the playoff. The good old boy system protects the status quo and preserves the least credible "champion" in all of sports.

There is no other team sport remotely like college football. In those other sports, for one reason or another, including every conference champion makes some sense. For college football, it does not.
You mean like FCS, D2, D3 and every other college football division? Those are exactly like the FBS with that one exception. Of course FBS is a better product on the field but the same holds true for D1 basketball where every champion goes to the playoff at the end of the season.
12-13-2017 10:18 AM
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RE: Okay, while we are waiting for bowl season. Does P12 and B10 push for power 4?
(12-12-2017 09:51 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  A stupid thought occurs:

There's talk on the boards about UConn moving to the Big East and becoming a football independent.

If the Big 12 dies and they can't find a power-conference home, would West Virginia be a candidate to do that?

Intriguing idea, but I'm not sure the Big East would take them. I do think West Virginia would prefer that option over joining the AAC though.
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RE: Okay, while we are waiting for bowl season. Does P12 and B10 push for power 4?
(12-13-2017 10:36 AM)Phlipper33 Wrote:  
(12-12-2017 09:51 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  A stupid thought occurs:

There's talk on the boards about UConn moving to the Big East and becoming a football independent.

If the Big 12 dies and they can't find a power-conference home, would West Virginia be a candidate to do that?

Intriguing idea, but I'm not sure the Big East would take them. I do think West Virginia would prefer that option over joining the AAC though.

I think the Big East would take WVU basketball. The problem with the AAC was that football dominated the conference. One or two football schools won't do that to the Big East, and WVU is a school the conference has history with, they have a good hoops program, and are geographically well positioned.

There would be some trepidation with adding a school that isn't "all in" with a hoops focus, but as with UConn, the answer would IMO be a "yes".
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RE: Okay, while we are waiting for bowl season. Does P12 and B10 push for power 4?
(12-13-2017 12:27 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(12-13-2017 10:36 AM)Phlipper33 Wrote:  
(12-12-2017 09:51 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  A stupid thought occurs:

There's talk on the boards about UConn moving to the Big East and becoming a football independent.

If the Big 12 dies and they can't find a power-conference home, would West Virginia be a candidate to do that?

Intriguing idea, but I'm not sure the Big East would take them. I do think West Virginia would prefer that option over joining the AAC though.

I think the Big East would take WVU basketball. The problem with the AAC was that football dominated the conference. One or two football schools won't do that to the Big East, and WVU is a school the conference has history with, they have a good hoops program, and are geographically well positioned.

There would be some trepidation with adding a school that isn't "all in" with a hoops focus, but as with UConn, the answer would IMO be a "yes".

If a P4 is ever formed and if there is an eventual breakaway either to form a new division of college football or to form their own association then I think the inclusion of basketball only schools will follow for some of the elite programs. The Big East would be well positioned for such a move. IMO if you fear being left out of the upper tier formation in football, but have the credentials to join an all basketball league that might find inclusion, then we'll see one used in hopes of accessing the other. But that's the only way I could see a WVU wanting to return to the Big East.
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RE: Okay, while we are waiting for bowl season. Does P12 and B10 push for power 4?
(12-13-2017 12:39 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(12-13-2017 12:27 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(12-13-2017 10:36 AM)Phlipper33 Wrote:  
(12-12-2017 09:51 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  A stupid thought occurs:

There's talk on the boards about UConn moving to the Big East and becoming a football independent.

If the Big 12 dies and they can't find a power-conference home, would West Virginia be a candidate to do that?

Intriguing idea, but I'm not sure the Big East would take them. I do think West Virginia would prefer that option over joining the AAC though.

I think the Big East would take WVU basketball. The problem with the AAC was that football dominated the conference. One or two football schools won't do that to the Big East, and WVU is a school the conference has history with, they have a good hoops program, and are geographically well positioned.

There would be some trepidation with adding a school that isn't "all in" with a hoops focus, but as with UConn, the answer would IMO be a "yes".

If a P4 is ever formed and if there is an eventual breakaway either to form a new division of college football or to form their own association then I think the inclusion of basketball only schools will follow for some of the elite programs. The Big East would be well positioned for such a move. IMO if you fear being left out of the upper tier formation in football, but have the credentials to join an all basketball league that might find inclusion, then we'll see one used in hopes of accessing the other. But that's the only way I could see a WVU wanting to return to the Big East.

No question, no school currently in a football Power conference would ever consider leaving for the Big East. Talk about a school like WVU putting hoops in the Big East only becomes viable if they are faced with no Power options and it is a given that their football is getting demoted to non-Power status, an outcome that any Power school will of course view as the ultimate catastrophe, to be avoided at all costs.
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RE: Okay, while we are waiting for bowl season. Does P12 and B10 push for power 4?
(12-12-2017 05:25 PM)YNot Wrote:  USC is unhappy with the PAC.

https://www.sbnation.com/college-footbal...gnment-lol

That USC booster talks about going independent. He also talks about money and schedule as the reasons.

Thing is, though, if USC goes independent, they will almost surely make *less* money than they do now. We know that because Notre Dame makes less money than any P5 schools, their TV deal doesn't pay them as much as even the ACC deal pays. And USC isn't going to make any more money than Notre Dame does.

So being independent involves sacrificing money, not making more.

Also, as to scheduling, USC has a great schedule. SOS was #16 in the country. They play a great PAC slate plus Notre Dame every year. Not going to improve on that going independent. Re the playoffs, they just lost two games this year, and no team has ever made the playoffs doing that. Just have to win more. 07-coffee3
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RE: Okay, while we are waiting for bowl season. Does P12 and B10 push for power 4?
(12-13-2017 01:17 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(12-12-2017 05:25 PM)YNot Wrote:  USC is unhappy with the PAC.

https://www.sbnation.com/college-footbal...gnment-lol

That USC booster talks about going independent. He also talks about money and schedule as the reasons.

Thing is, though, if USC goes independent, they will almost surely make *less* money than they do now. We know that because Notre Dame makes less money than any P5 schools, their TV deal doesn't pay them as much as even the ACC deal pays. And USC isn't going to make any more money than Notre Dame does.

So being independent involves sacrificing money, not making more.

Also, as to scheduling, USC has a great schedule. SOS was #16 in the country. They play a great PAC slate plus Notre Dame every year. Not going to improve on that going independent. Re the playoffs, they just lost two games this year, and no team has ever made the playoffs doing that. Just have to win more. 07-coffee3

The booster misses the mark on where to find better money and scheduling. This is why I suggested the answer is USC looking for both in another conference home; not independence.

I agree with JRSEC that Notre Dame reconsiders its ACC affiliation if there is massive realignment and USC and Stanford affiliate with the B1G.
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RE: Okay, while we are waiting for bowl season. Does P12 and B10 push for power 4?
There will never be a breakaway. That is fantasy. You don't kill the golden goose when it is producing. You mess with it and half the teams in the "P5" that sell their fans on being a successful program with 7 wins can no longer do so and their support drops.
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RE: Okay, while we are waiting for bowl season. Does P12 and B10 push for power 4?
(12-13-2017 01:57 PM)YNot Wrote:  
(12-13-2017 01:17 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(12-12-2017 05:25 PM)YNot Wrote:  USC is unhappy with the PAC.

https://www.sbnation.com/college-footbal...gnment-lol

That USC booster talks about going independent. He also talks about money and schedule as the reasons.

Thing is, though, if USC goes independent, they will almost surely make *less* money than they do now. We know that because Notre Dame makes less money than any P5 schools, their TV deal doesn't pay them as much as even the ACC deal pays. And USC isn't going to make any more money than Notre Dame does.

So being independent involves sacrificing money, not making more.

Also, as to scheduling, USC has a great schedule. SOS was #16 in the country. They play a great PAC slate plus Notre Dame every year. Not going to improve on that going independent. Re the playoffs, they just lost two games this year, and no team has ever made the playoffs doing that. Just have to win more. 07-coffee3

The booster misses the mark on where to find better money and scheduling. This is why I suggested the answer is USC looking for both in another conference home; not independence.

I agree with JRSEC that Notre Dame reconsiders its ACC affiliation if there is massive realignment and USC and Stanford affiliate with the B1G.


Wake me up if this happens. I seriously doubt it will.
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RE: Okay, while we are waiting for bowl season. Does P12 and B10 push for power 4?
(12-13-2017 02:02 PM)Crump1 Wrote:  There will never be a breakaway. That is fantasy. You don't kill the golden goose when it is producing. You mess with it and half the teams in the "P5" that sell their fans on being a successful program with 7 wins can no longer do so and their support drops.

Agree. Moreover, the breakaway that involves shedding teams currently in a power conference is even bigger fantasy. Those schools won't go away quietly or cheaply (we're talking about schools that are making 30-40M a year on their media rights-- you'd have to literally pay those schools hundreds of millions of dollars to go away).

What's more, any breakaway that would leave regions of the country and large metro areas out of the game will be a problem as well. Those people aren't going to forsake their local institutions and alma maters to become fans of other schools.
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