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Sorry, but just stupid plays. Bryan scared to shoot in the paint so he drops it off to Cacock. Then, Talley gives Cacock the ball on the run at the top of the key, where he has to dribble to the basket and of course turns it over. And, all the sudden we're down 15. Nothing LSU did, just dumb plays on our part.
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ZONE>>>>>ZONE>>>>>>ZONE>>>>
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Trying very very very hard not to be frustrated with the powers that be.

This is bringing back too many awful memories.
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Also, and probably a good thing... my csnbbs appeared to be down for hours earlier. Did anyone else experience connection to the board issues?
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(12-11-2017 02:52 AM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  Also, and probably a good thing... my csnbbs appeared to be down for hours earlier. Did anyone else experience connection to the board issues?

yep
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Message board was down all day.

But, back to LSU...and the year in general.


IMO, we are a zone or pressure defense away from being pretty good. Straight man to man isn't working this year any better than last year. But, last year we pressed and could go on runs to overcome our lack of man to man ability.

Where we are:

Talley and Cacock are just playing superb. But, Cacock is back to fouling far too much and too quickly, just like his freshman year. Talley is doing a great job pushing tempo and seems to have really found confidence in his shot, especially from 3. However, he needs to know when to tap the brakes as our PG and leader of the team

Fornes, Taylor and Richmond all look very good. Richmond looked the best I have seen him in awhile against LSU. Although not all automatic starters, these three need to be on the floor A LOT. Taylor and Richmond look interchangeable at this point.

Gary and Estime. Gary is definitely progressing faster than Estime. He seems to have adjusted to the speed of the game better and has confidence in his shot. I love his passing, but he telegraphs a bit too much and puts too many passes in the grasp of defenders across the middle. Minor adjustments for Gary and Estime may not be ready yet.

So, I would primarily rotate:

Talley, Taylor, Fornes, Bryan, Cacock, Richmond, Gary and Powell. And, instead of bringing in Kalina, i'd go to a 4 guard rotation with either Cacock or Bryan as the lone big man and Powell at the 4 when the bigs need a rest.

UNLESS we go zone. Then, i'd rotate Kalina into the center position. He will get eaten up in the CAA if we play man.

The fact is, we have the players to be a top 3-4 team in the CAA. But, the coaches are going to have to implement a defensive scheme other than man to get there. We still have some really good scorers, but without the press we need to play some zone to protect our bigs from fouls and stop the penetration that forces our bigs to foul.
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(12-11-2017 07:04 PM)82hawk Wrote:  Message board was down all day.

But, back to LSU...and the year in general.


IMO, we are a zone or pressure defense away from being pretty good. Straight man to man isn't working this year any better than last year. But, last year we pressed and could go on runs to overcome our lack of man to man ability.

Where we are:

Talley and Cacock are just playing superb. But, Cacock is back to fouling far too much and too quickly, just like his freshman year. Talley is doing a great job pushing tempo and seems to have really found confidence in his shot, especially from 3. However, he needs to know when to tap the brakes as our PG and leader of the team

Fornes, Taylor and Richmond all look very good. Richmond looked the best I have seen him in awhile against LSU. Although not all automatic starters, these three need to be on the floor A LOT. Taylor and Richmond look interchangeable at this point.

Gary and Estime. Gary is definitely progressing faster than Estime. He seems to have adjusted to the speed of the game better and has confidence in his shot. I love his passing, but he telegraphs a bit too much and puts too many passes in the grasp of defenders across the middle. Minor adjustments for Gary and Estime may not be ready yet.

So, I would primarily rotate:

Talley, Taylor, Fornes, Bryan, Cacock, Richmond, Gary and Powell. And, instead of bringing in Kalina, i'd go to a 4 guard rotation with either Cacock or Bryan as the lone big man and Powell at the 4 when the bigs need a rest.

UNLESS we go zone. Then, i'd rotate Kalina into the center position. He will get eaten up in the CAA if we play man.

The fact is, we have the players to be a top 3-4 team in the CAA. But, the coaches are going to have to implement a defensive scheme other than man to get there. We still have some really good scorers, but without the press we need to play some zone to protect our bigs from fouls and stop the penetration that forces our bigs to foul.

Lots of good input 82. I like it all.
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My guess is that the staff wants the players to actually learn how to play defense without going zone. If you can play man it is a far better route to take than bailing out to zone. I am not 100 % against some zone but it makes for some lazy play and letting guys off the hook on one end of the court. It looks like the top 4 players are pretty solid athletes and should be able to handle a tough man to man defense. I am not sold on Richmond at this point but maybe he comes around as he gets more time on the court. None of these players have ever played a tough man defense at the college level but I think they can and should get better. It will make or break the season-gotta get some stops at some point. They all go under the pick and at this level that can't happen or you are gonna get killed. Not sure what they are teaching but they can hedge or switch with everybody except Bryan who has zero chance at guarding anybody with the ball and a dribble. Let it play out and see if they get better.
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(12-13-2017 09:19 AM)jumpinmullet Wrote:  My guess is that the staff wants the players to actually learn how to play defense without going zone. If you can play man it is a far better route to take than bailing out to zone. I am not 100 % against some zone but it makes for some lazy play and letting guys off the hook on one end of the court. It looks like the top 4 players are pretty solid athletes and should be able to handle a tough man to man defense. I am not sold on Richmond at this point but maybe he comes around as he gets more time on the court. None of these players have ever played a tough man defense at the college level but I think they can and should get better. It will make or break the season-gotta get some stops at some point. They all go under the pick and at this level that can't happen or you are gonna get killed. Not sure what they are teaching but they can hedge or switch with everybody except Bryan who has zero chance at guarding anybody with the ball and a dribble. Let it play out and see if they get better.

Good stuff, Mullet. I agree! We're a one-bid league. Now is the time to for growing pains. SN08 reminds us that you don't hire a coach to maintain continuity just because it will help THAT recruiting cycle. Similarly, the coaching staff is looking at how they want to play long-term and trying to develop skills and habits that will build the program in THEIR image (rather than winning a game in December that won't impact March, or future seasons).

I get the frustration. Patience is tough when we've seen how far back the wrong hire can set us back. Regardless of our past, we need to give McGrath a chance.
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(12-13-2017 09:33 AM)bricksnivy Wrote:  
(12-13-2017 09:19 AM)jumpinmullet Wrote:  My guess is that the staff wants the players to actually learn how to play defense without going zone. If you can play man it is a far better route to take than bailing out to zone. I am not 100 % against some zone but it makes for some lazy play and letting guys off the hook on one end of the court. It looks like the top 4 players are pretty solid athletes and should be able to handle a tough man to man defense. I am not sold on Richmond at this point but maybe he comes around as he gets more time on the court. None of these players have ever played a tough man defense at the college level but I think they can and should get better. It will make or break the season-gotta get some stops at some point. They all go under the pick and at this level that can't happen or you are gonna get killed. Not sure what they are teaching but they can hedge or switch with everybody except Bryan who has zero chance at guarding anybody with the ball and a dribble. Let it play out and see if they get better.

Regardless of our past, we need to give McGrath a chance.

I get it, and if saw even a remote sign of improvement thus far, i'd be quiet. We haven't seen it, at all, so therefore i still have my doubts. Serious doubts
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I have to agree with Mullet and brick. It was obvious from the get go that this is a rebuilding and feeling out year. And I can't say that McGrath's plan will be successful. But I will give him a chance. Even the immortal Dean Smith was hung in effigy his first year. And look how that turned out.
We don't know what McGrath is doing exactly, but there just could be a good reason for what's going on. Wainwright and Brownell seldom had winning non-conference schedules. We may actually be working on just man defense for several reasons. Like getting more experience and improving at man defense for conference play. And just maybe we are not letting our conference does see our zone schemes in advance. That's all speculation on my part, but it just may be true. I'm all about patience as a fan. Something I didn't have when I was younger.
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(12-13-2017 09:43 AM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  
(12-13-2017 09:33 AM)bricksnivy Wrote:  
(12-13-2017 09:19 AM)jumpinmullet Wrote:  My guess is that the staff wants the players to actually learn how to play defense without going zone. If you can play man it is a far better route to take than bailing out to zone. I am not 100 % against some zone but it makes for some lazy play and letting guys off the hook on one end of the court. It looks like the top 4 players are pretty solid athletes and should be able to handle a tough man to man defense. I am not sold on Richmond at this point but maybe he comes around as he gets more time on the court. None of these players have ever played a tough man defense at the college level but I think they can and should get better. It will make or break the season-gotta get some stops at some point. They all go under the pick and at this level that can't happen or you are gonna get killed. Not sure what they are teaching but they can hedge or switch with everybody except Bryan who has zero chance at guarding anybody with the ball and a dribble. Let it play out and see if they get better.

Regardless of our past, we need to give McGrath a chance.

I get it, and if saw even a remote sign of improvement thus far, i'd be quiet. We haven't seen it, at all, so therefore i still have my doubts. Serious doubts
I understand the frustration but I don't think we have seen UNCW play half court defense for many years and it is not an easy thing to teach. My biggest concern watching them play is pick and roll defense and dribble drive but hey those are really hard things to stop even for the very defenders at the NBA level. Looking for some progress is what we need and I would say show a little patience.
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Mullet, Brick, 33, and the Beat and the Beard seem to agree with me.

Guess I'm not on an island all alone after all hoops! 05-stirthepot
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(12-13-2017 02:53 PM)Seahawk Nation 08 Wrote:  Mullet, Brick, 33, and the Beat and the Beard seem to agree with me.

Guess I'm not on an island all alone after all hoops! 05-stirthepot

Enjoy your Ls, I for one don't like losing. Given you are a Jets, Mets, Knicks fan i suppose you are used to it. Especially when 25% of the way into the season we have as many losses as the entire previous year. Adjust, or continue to take lumps. Proof is in the W/L column, and the fact we have LITTLE progression at all. I'd love to be wrong, but my call on C.B out of the gate is looking more likely than not IMO
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(12-13-2017 03:05 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  
(12-13-2017 02:53 PM)Seahawk Nation 08 Wrote:  Mullet, Brick, 33, and the Beat and the Beard seem to agree with me.

Guess I'm not on an island all alone after all hoops! 05-stirthepot

Enjoy your Ls, I for one don't like losing. Especially when 25% of the way into the season we have as many losses as the entire previous year. Adjust, or continue to take lumps. Proof is in the W/L column, and the fact we have LITTLE progression at all. I'd love to be wrong, but my call on C.B out of the gate is looking more likely than not IMO

This is completely unproductive (not that a message board can be productive). We'll take the wins/losses together because we're fans of the same team. But, your viewpoint would carry more weight if you didn't have your mind made up before the season started. I know you said you were going to give them a chance and hope for the best, but you've abandoned ship with the first sign of difficultly. Your analysis now is nothing more than confirmation bias.
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Yes, because I'm sitting here enjoying losing. Jeeeezus man. My post was tongue in cheek and there you go taking it personal.

Let's keep it personal for just a moment then. You're not an alum buddy. I don't badmouth coaches because we've been through rougher times than this. You didn't like McGrath from the start, and I get that. I'm being patient before I make up my mind about him.

A University is more than just a basketball team, so yeah, MAYBE the fact that I spent 4 years as part of the community, and continue to live in Wilmington and work for the athletic department in a part-time capacity, makes me stay on the optimistic side. I won't apologize for that.
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(12-13-2017 03:05 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  
(12-13-2017 02:53 PM)Seahawk Nation 08 Wrote:  Mullet, Brick, 33, and the Beat and the Beard seem to agree with me.

Guess I'm not on an island all alone after all hoops! 05-stirthepot

Enjoy your Ls, I for one don't like losing. Given you are a Jets, Mets, Knicks fan i suppose you are used to it. Especially when 25% of the way into the season we have as many losses as the entire previous year. Adjust, or continue to take lumps. Proof is in the W/L column, and the fact we have LITTLE progression at all. I'd love to be wrong, but my call on C.B out of the gate is looking more likely than not IMO

I agree with this now, just like I agreed from the moment I witnessed the first game.I stated after the Davidson debacle that it was going to be a long year and was chastised by many for simply being the "newbie" here. These kids are accustomed to a passionate, tough love coach...That is not what we have here now.Im not saying he cant get it done in the long haul with his type of players although I still have my opinion.I also hope and pray this doesnt get even uglier if the losses continue to pile up.
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And Hoops now I see you edited your post to take out the part about me rooting for losing teams. Not ashamed of that either. I have always been partial to cheering on the underdog.

And why is that? Because when they DO have moments of glory, it's even bigger.

When the Mets and Jets win, NYC shifts to a Mets town, and goes way crazier than when the Yankees win. Because for Yankees fans, its the expectation that they win.

I'm not a Knicks fan. Probably lean Nets there, though I don't care enough about the NBA to call myself a "fan" of the team. Just Mets and Jets as the pro teams I count as "my teams".
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(12-13-2017 03:09 PM)bricksnivy Wrote:  
(12-13-2017 03:05 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  
(12-13-2017 02:53 PM)Seahawk Nation 08 Wrote:  Mullet, Brick, 33, and the Beat and the Beard seem to agree with me.

Guess I'm not on an island all alone after all hoops! 05-stirthepot

Enjoy your Ls, I for one don't like losing. Especially when 25% of the way into the season we have as many losses as the entire previous year. Adjust, or continue to take lumps. Proof is in the W/L column, and the fact we have LITTLE progression at all. I'd love to be wrong, but my call on C.B out of the gate is looking more likely than not IMO

This is completely unproductive (not that a message board can be productive). We'll take the wins/losses together because we're fans of the same team. But, your viewpoint would carry more weight if you didn't have your mind made up before the season started. I know you said you were going to give them a chance and hope for the best, but you've abandoned ship with the first sign of difficultly. Your analysis now is nothing more than confirmation bias.

BS . The proof is in the pudding. It's not the first sign of difficulty, it's been there from the start and hasn't progressed one bit. I'm not jumping ship. I'll be there to support when i'm in town and will watch and listen. I hope it gets better i really do, but SHOW ME
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(12-13-2017 03:36 PM)Seahawk Nation 08 Wrote:  And Hoops now I see you edited your post to take out the part about me rooting for losing teams. Not ashamed of that either. I have always been partial to cheering on the underdog.
Not sure what you mean, it's there. I added it initially, not deleted it.
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