Unless we win the next 2 games and/or split with WSU we will likely end the year with a lot of wins but no quality wins. Perhaps an 11 seed.

(12-10-2017 10:18 AM)doss2 Wrote:  Unless we win the next 2 games and/or split with WSU we will likely end the year with a lot of wins but no quality wins. Perhaps an 11 seed.

0-4 against this slate and 4 conference losses puts our tournament chances in jeopardy IMO.

(12-10-2017 10:30 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(12-10-2017 10:18 AM)doss2 Wrote:  Unless we win the next 2 games and/or split with WSU we will likely end the year with a lot of wins but no quality wins. Perhaps an 11 seed.

0-4 against this slate and 4 conference losses puts our tournament chances in jeopardy IMO.

we blow ucla and miss st out the gym.

Game against State has become a must win for UC.
Glad it is at home and not in Starkville.

Play the way they did yesterday and 0-4 is a possibility. I expect them to go 1-3. Watched UCLA yesterday. They are likely to beat us

Define "on the brink."

Will we make the tournament? Yes.

What will our seed be? Dunno, but unless we win 30 games by March, it will likely not be good enough to make a deep run.

My disappointment isn't really on this season; it's more the fact that Mick still shows no sign of changing his offense even with great shooters. If he doesn't change, we will likely be looking at this same offense for the next 20+ years. It's disappointing.

These OOC losses are going to hurt. Remember last year's AAC champ was a #6 seed. Currently the AAC is predicted as a 4 bid conference with Temple on the bubble. UC needs to run the table in the AAC, which doesn't seem likely at this point.

UC has lost to two quality ranked opponents - one on the road and one on a neutral floor. In our league, that hurts to not take one of those games if you want to break out of the 5-6 seed mold. WSU's addition certainly helps in terms of opportunities against quality opponents but right now there is low confidence to beating WSU even on our home floor. I would say if we can somehow win the next two games that would help our cause but I just don't see winning at UCLA. Hell, we've got to get past Miss. St. first. If, and I say IF, we lose at home to the Bulldogs then, yes, the season will be on the brink in terms of either a high tournament seed or placed on bubble watch come March.

With the way the team is playing right now, I just don't see us beating both UCLA and Mississippi State, which is what it will take to keep the hopes of a high tournament seed alive. Wichita State is light years ahead of us right now without one of their two best players, so I also don't see us winning the conference, and we are likely to drop a couple of other conference games against the likes of Houston, Temple, and UCF. Right now, I'm seeing us going to the tournament at something like 24-9 and somewhere around a 7-8 seed, which means another likely first weekend exit.

I mean seriously. What did folks think was going to happen?

Lose a 4 year starter at PG who simply did not turn the ball over and the other senior starter at guard who was a defensive ace and we replace them with what? A career backup and a skinny transfer from a Sacred Heart who struggles as a PG and who passes the ball like he has 2x4's tied to his palms and a mixture of Cumberland and Evans who are too slow to defend or create at the 2?

We suffer from same guy syndrome (as last year) except we are replacing two seniors at the most important positions with guys who are not equals let alone improvements or who are out of position. That is the fault of the staff.

Might as well get used to it against opponents with decent guard play.

(12-10-2017 02:57 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  I mean seriously. What did folks think was going to happen?

Lose a 4 year starter at PG who simply did not turn the ball over and the other senior starter at guard who was a defensive ace and we replace them with what? A career backup and a skinny transfer from a Sacred Heart who struggles as a PG and who passes the ball like he has 2x4's tied to his palms and a mixture of Cumberland and Evans who are too slow to defend or create at the 2?

We suffer from same guy syndrome (as last year) except we are replacing two seniors at the most important positions with guys who are not equals let alone improvements or who are out of position. That is the fault of the staff.

Might as well get used to it against opponents with decent guard play.

Guard play hasn't killed us at all. the game plan to force feed clark and washington is killing team chemistry and our shooters mojo. If wide open they still get bad pass from bigs and cant just catch and shoot. Clark pumps the brakes on every semi break knowing if we slow down he gets ball in half court set. Come on now our guards are even passing to brooks and scott in post and i might be wrong but i think both turned it over every touch in post. You really think any guard on team wants to pass ball to scott ever if not for easy dunk? Mick knows if he dont stop our guards momentum his all american Clark would never be able to TRY back his man down for half shot clock.

Meanwhile, Mississippi State is 8-0 with a 33 RPI. We better come ready for a fight on Tuesday night. If not, back this biyatch up...

Remember..as long as the program is clean, and doesn't make headlines...for any reason...a lot of people on this board and in the local media are fine with the state of UC MBB.

Remember that we invested in FB over MBB when we jumped into the BE, and then fell into the AAC. That philosophy still holds, and the results speak for themselves.

List for me the DI schools that dominate in MBB and FB consistently compared to the 347 that currently dot the landscape...precious few. You make a choice in revenue sports, whether you are aware of it or not. UC has put it's heart and soul into FB, and this is where we are.....forever....unless we decide to do otherwise.

(12-10-2017 02:57 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  I mean seriously. What did folks think was going to happen?

Lose a 4 year starter at PG who simply did not turn the ball over and the other senior starter at guard who was a defensive ace and we replace them with what? A career backup and a skinny transfer from a Sacred Heart who struggles as a PG and who passes the ball like he has 2x4's tied to his palms and a mixture of Cumberland and Evans who are too slow to defend or create at the 2?

We suffer from same guy syndrome (as last year) except we are replacing two seniors at the most important positions with guys who are not equals let alone improvements or who are out of position. That is the fault of the staff.

Might as well get used to it against opponents with decent guard play.

Kevin Johnson was average player that played decent to above decent defense. Troy didnt turn the ball over, but rarwly did anything other than chuck it around the perimiter. Losing 2 average to above average seniors shouldn't be the deathnail to the following season. Most programs are able to bring in new players (Broome, Moore, Williams, etc.) and improve the players (Jennifer, Cumberland, Evans) that were here the year before.

Player development has been an issue with Mick over the years.

Also, why does Mick always leave an extra scholarship or 2 open every year? Why wouldn't he try to fill that spot with someone who could run the point?

(12-10-2017 03:24 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  Meanwhile, Mississippi State is 8-0 with a 33 RPI. We better come ready for a fight on Tuesday night. If not, back this biyatch up...

They have played a schedule worse than Cincinnati pre-Xaivier schedule. Best team they have played is Stephen F. Austin or Jacksonville State at home. Unless you count 4-5 Dayton based on name vaue. Cats need to beat Miss State and hope the Bulldogs are close to .500 in SEC so that win doesn't look like total garbage come March. Going out west isn't easy but UCLA isn't an top team this year so the Cats are still likely to come out next week sitting at 9-2.

(12-10-2017 03:25 PM)jarr Wrote:  

(12-10-2017 02:57 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  I mean seriously. What did folks think was going to happen?

Lose a 4 year starter at PG who simply did not turn the ball over and the other senior starter at guard who was a defensive ace and we replace them with what? A career backup and a skinny transfer from a Sacred Heart who struggles as a PG and who passes the ball like he has 2x4's tied to his palms and a mixture of Cumberland and Evans who are too slow to defend or create at the 2?

We suffer from same guy syndrome (as last year) except we are replacing two seniors at the most important positions with guys who are not equals let alone improvements or who are out of position. That is the fault of the staff.

Might as well get used to it against opponents with decent guard play.

Kevin Johnson was a stiff that played decent to above decent defense. Troy didnt turn the ball over, but rarwly did anything other than chuck it around the perimiter. Losing 2 mediocre seniors shouldn't be the deathnail to the following season. Most programs are able to bring in new players (Broome, Moore, Williams, etc.) and improve the players (Jennifer, Cumberland, Evans) that were here the year before.

Player development has been an issue with Mick over the years.

Also, why does Mick always leave an extra scholarship or 2 open every year? Why wouldn't he try to fill that spot with someone who could run the point?

If you expected our guard play to be better this year not having Troy and Johnson anymore, God bless you. That is just silly.

(12-10-2017 03:30 PM)bearcatlawjd2 Wrote:  

(12-10-2017 03:24 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  Meanwhile, Mississippi State is 8-0 with a 33 RPI. We better come ready for a fight on Tuesday night. If not, back this biyatch up...

They have played a schedule worse than Cincinnati pre-Xaivier schedule. Best team they have played is Stephen F. Austin or Jacksonville State at home. Unless you count 4-5 Dayton based on name vaue. Cats need to beat Miss State and hope the Bulldogs are close to .500 in SEC so that win doesn't look like total garbage come March. Going out west isn't easy but UCLA isn't an top team this year so the Cats are still likely to come out next week sitting at 9-2.

On paper, I agree. To be fair, we've not beaten anyone either - yet. All I'm saying is we can't just show up and expect to win. We aren't playing ECU or USF.

(12-10-2017 03:42 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  

(12-10-2017 03:30 PM)bearcatlawjd2 Wrote:  

(12-10-2017 03:24 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  Meanwhile, Mississippi State is 8-0 with a 33 RPI. We better come ready for a fight on Tuesday night. If not, back this biyatch up...

They have played a schedule worse than Cincinnati pre-Xaivier schedule. Best team they have played is Stephen F. Austin or Jacksonville State at home. Unless you count 4-5 Dayton based on name vaue. Cats need to beat Miss State and hope the Bulldogs are close to .500 in SEC so that win doesn't look like total garbage come March. Going out west isn't easy but UCLA isn't an top team this year so the Cats are still likely to come out next week sitting at 9-2.

On paper, I agree. To be fair, we've not beaten anyone either - yet. All I'm saying is we can't just show up and expect to win. We aren't playing ECU or USF.

Hard to tell how good State is this year based on their schedule to date.
They have talent but the talent is young...Howland's first recruiting class was ranked 20th overall and second recruiting class was ranked 5th.

(12-10-2017 03:24 PM)Not Duane Wrote:  Remember..as long as the program is clean, and doesn't make headlines...for any reason...a lot of people on this board and in the local media are fine with the state of UC MBB.

Remember that we invested in FB over MBB when we jumped into the BE, and then fell into the AAC. That philosophy still holds, and the results speak for themselves.

List for me the DI schools that dominate in MBB and FB consistently compared to the 347 that currently dot the landscape...precious few. You make a choice in revenue sports, whether you are aware of it or not. UC has put it's heart and soul into FB, and this is where we are.....forever....unless we decide to do otherwise.

So you're suggesting UC isn't invested in basketball with a top 25 paid coach and an $87 million arena renovation?

(12-10-2017 04:21 PM)OKIcat Wrote:  

(12-10-2017 03:24 PM)Not Duane Wrote:  Remember..as long as the program is clean, and doesn't make headlines...for any reason...a lot of people on this board and in the local media are fine with the state of UC MBB.

Remember that we invested in FB over MBB when we jumped into the BE, and then fell into the AAC. That philosophy still holds, and the results speak for themselves.

List for me the DI schools that dominate in MBB and FB consistently compared to the 347 that currently dot the landscape...precious few. You make a choice in revenue sports, whether you are aware of it or not. UC has put it's heart and soul into FB, and this is where we are.....forever....unless we decide to do otherwise.

So you're suggesting UC isn't invested in basketball with a top 25 paid coach and an $87 million arena renovation?