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RE: It's time for Madison and NDSU to move up...
(12-10-2017 01:55 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
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(12-10-2017 05:18 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  Stony Brook, Eastern Kentucky, Youngstown State and Lamar wants to move up. UTRGV wants to be FBS when they restart their program. Where Missouri State goes? Northern Iowa will go with them.

OP, you did this. Just go ahead and merge FBS and FCS. Make the FCS playoffs an invitational, with no penalty for declining. The playoffs would be like the basketball NCAAs, the lesser (or other bowls, for fans of the Rose and Sugar when they're not in the playoff rotation) would be like the NIT, and the FCS playoffs would be like the CBI.

Success at one level doesn't mean success at the next. Why would Montana want to become Wyoming?

Georgia Southern dominated FCS 20 years ago with 6 championships and 2 runnerups in a 16 year period. Do they want a regular dose of 2-10 seasons like this year? I actually think they have a better chance than the Dakota schools. Georgia Southern has a lot of talent nearby and no college competition in the southern half of Georgia.

I'm in this boat. G5 football is a losing proposition. Why go from playing for NCAA championships to struggling to hit.500 and make it to the Gus' Tire Shop Bowl in inland Alabama?

Yeah. Im not convinced the administration at JMU has any real interest in FBS. There are a lot of indications they really dont and just play lip service to the concept to appease fans. Some of the dominate northern FCS schools in Montana and the Dakotas I suspect feel the same way. They know they are located in lightly populated areas with very cold climates. They know the appeal of the FBS football really wont change the attendence numbers much (their attendance potential is already pretty much capped out) and they know a big TV deal wont be part of the move. The reality is a move to FBS isn't really all that attractive to the administrations of these schools. They see it as a quantum leap in costs with no similar quantum leap in potential benefits.
This sums it up quite well. Excellent post.
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RE: It's time for Madison and NDSU to move up...
(12-11-2017 01:18 AM)SDHornet Wrote:  
(12-10-2017 01:55 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(12-10-2017 01:42 PM)Bogg Wrote:  
(12-10-2017 09:20 AM)bullet Wrote:  
(12-10-2017 08:21 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  OP, you did this. Just go ahead and merge FBS and FCS. Make the FCS playoffs an invitational, with no penalty for declining. The playoffs would be like the basketball NCAAs, the lesser (or other bowls, for fans of the Rose and Sugar when they're not in the playoff rotation) would be like the NIT, and the FCS playoffs would be like the CBI.

Success at one level doesn't mean success at the next. Why would Montana want to become Wyoming?

Georgia Southern dominated FCS 20 years ago with 6 championships and 2 runnerups in a 16 year period. Do they want a regular dose of 2-10 seasons like this year? I actually think they have a better chance than the Dakota schools. Georgia Southern has a lot of talent nearby and no college competition in the southern half of Georgia.

I'm in this boat. G5 football is a losing proposition. Why go from playing for NCAA championships to struggling to hit.500 and make it to the Gus' Tire Shop Bowl in inland Alabama?

Yeah. Im not convinced the administration at JMU has any real interest in FBS. There are a lot of indications they really dont and just play lip service to the concept to appease fans. Some of the dominate northern FCS schools in Montana and the Dakotas I suspect feel the same way. They know they are located in lightly populated areas with very cold climates. They know the appeal of the FBS football really wont change the attendence numbers much (their attendance potential is already pretty much capped out) and they know a big TV deal wont be part of the move. The reality is a move to FBS isn't really all that attractive to the administrations of these schools. They see it as a quantum leap in costs with no similar quantum leap in potential benefits.
This sums it up quite well. Excellent post.


Yeah, but ODU did went to a bowl game.
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(12-11-2017 01:58 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  
(12-11-2017 01:18 AM)SDHornet Wrote:  
(12-10-2017 01:55 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(12-10-2017 01:42 PM)Bogg Wrote:  
(12-10-2017 09:20 AM)bullet Wrote:  Success at one level doesn't mean success at the next. Why would Montana want to become Wyoming?

Georgia Southern dominated FCS 20 years ago with 6 championships and 2 runnerups in a 16 year period. Do they want a regular dose of 2-10 seasons like this year? I actually think they have a better chance than the Dakota schools. Georgia Southern has a lot of talent nearby and no college competition in the southern half of Georgia.

I'm in this boat. G5 football is a losing proposition. Why go from playing for NCAA championships to struggling to hit.500 and make it to the Gus' Tire Shop Bowl in inland Alabama?

Yeah. Im not convinced the administration at JMU has any real interest in FBS. There are a lot of indications they really dont and just play lip service to the concept to appease fans. Some of the dominate northern FCS schools in Montana and the Dakotas I suspect feel the same way. They know they are located in lightly populated areas with very cold climates. They know the appeal of the FBS football really wont change the attendence numbers much (their attendance potential is already pretty much capped out) and they know a big TV deal wont be part of the move. The reality is a move to FBS isn't really all that attractive to the administrations of these schools. They see it as a quantum leap in costs with no similar quantum leap in potential benefits.
This sums it up quite well. Excellent post.


Yeah, but ODU did went to a bowl game.

1) What does that have to do with the bolded portion of the comment?
2) Based on this article, ODU (and many others) are having issues getting butts in seats. Clearly that bowl game didn't help with fan interest.
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(12-11-2017 02:13 AM)SDHornet Wrote:  
(12-11-2017 01:58 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  
(12-11-2017 01:18 AM)SDHornet Wrote:  
(12-10-2017 01:55 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(12-10-2017 01:42 PM)Bogg Wrote:  I'm in this boat. G5 football is a losing proposition. Why go from playing for NCAA championships to struggling to hit.500 and make it to the Gus' Tire Shop Bowl in inland Alabama?

Yeah. Im not convinced the administration at JMU has any real interest in FBS. There are a lot of indications they really dont and just play lip service to the concept to appease fans. Some of the dominate northern FCS schools in Montana and the Dakotas I suspect feel the same way. They know they are located in lightly populated areas with very cold climates. They know the appeal of the FBS football really wont change the attendence numbers much (their attendance potential is already pretty much capped out) and they know a big TV deal wont be part of the move. The reality is a move to FBS isn't really all that attractive to the administrations of these schools. They see it as a quantum leap in costs with no similar quantum leap in potential benefits.
This sums it up quite well. Excellent post.


Yeah, but ODU did went to a bowl game.

1) What does that have to do with the bolded portion of the comment?
2) Based on this article, ODU (and many others) are having issues getting butts in seats. Clearly that bowl game didn't help with fan interest.



C-USA is not what it used to be. ODU do not really have any long time rivals in the conference. That is why C-USA should split, and the eastern schools get JMU, Stony Brook, Delaware, Towson and Georgia State into the conference. That is why I do not like D1 split into two for football. Just get rid of the FBS/FCS and formed one whole Division. That way, you can work and move schools around better.
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(12-11-2017 04:17 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  C-USA is not what it used to be. ODU do not really have any long time rivals in the conference. That is why C-USA should split, and the eastern schools get JMU, Stony Brook, Delaware, Towson and Georgia State into the conference. That is why I do not like D1 split into two for football. Just get rid of the FBS/FCS and formed one whole Division. That way, you can work and move schools around better.

We know. Divisions aren't going away, you'll just have to be content with playing without divisions on your NCAA xbox game.

(12-11-2017 01:58 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  Yeah, but ODU did went to a bowl game.

Not much of an accomplishment anymore.

(12-11-2017 01:04 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  NDSU and Minnesota could be OOC rivalries. They are not too far apart. It would be cool to see them play football every year against each other. Home and Home series could be nice.

The issue is I think Eastern Washington and Portland State could be a future MWC schools.

Big Sky with the listing could merge with GNAC football schools, add Dixie State, Colorado Mesa and Colorado State-Pueblo.

GNAC would become a D2 non-football conference.

I don't see Minnesota ever playing in such a small stadium. EWU and PSU in the MW isn't happening. The Big Sky is big enough without adding in your fantasy D2 call-up hijacking nonsense.
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(12-10-2017 07:59 PM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  FWIW, I think the MAC has learned not to deal with schools who pegged themselves to post-BE raid CUSA in their viability studies and why they stand pat now.

They are not a consolation prize, and seeing the conference fail to produce better football when the MAC can, AND seeing basketball about even only validates that. JMU wanted desperately to join ODU in CUSA. They probably needn't bother applying to MAC unless they bring ODU with them...a total flake/flight risk until conjoined, and the MAC won't have it.

SDSU and NDSU would be cool, but they are islands, and UNI and other Valley schools wouldn't be enough of a bridge.

Now, Stony and Delaware...


I don't think there's much fact in this. ODU invited JMU to talk to CUSA as a pair before we moved. They declined. Supposedly now they'd accept a CUSA invite (they have a different President now) but they'd probably accept a MAC invite as well. The SB is unpalatable to them. ODU would push for them to be invited, it's no secret we long for an instate rival but I wouldn't say we're conjoined.
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This may be the dumbest thread of all time. NDSU has had a great run of success and it will likely continue though there were knocked off last year and, both South Dakota State (who have already beaten them this year) and JMU have shots at beating the Bison in the championship game.

JMU have only been solid the last two years and almost got knocked out of this years playoffs by Weber State. South Dakota State have had a good run the past 7 years, but prior to moving up SDSU were a basketball school with average FB.

There is no benefit, financially for any of the four schools mentioned to move up. Costs will increase dramatically while revenues stagnate. All for a shot at playing in the Potato Bowl?

All four administrations will sit back and wait things out. None are going to sign up for an FBS move right now, there are just too many question marks as to the future of G5.
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(12-11-2017 01:56 PM)jacksfan29 Wrote:  This may be the dumbest thread of all time. ...

There is no benefit, financially for any of the four schools mentioned to move up. Costs will increase dramatically while revenues stagnate. All for a shot at playing in the Potato Bowl?

All four administrations will sit back and wait things out. None are going to sign up for an FBS move right now, there are just too many question marks as to the future of G5.

Tell me why then have 10 schools moved up in ten years but only one has tentatively moved down?

FCS is expensive for what one gets out of it. FBS is the less costly choice if facilities are available and a coherent conference for the school is available. There are innumerable studies that show FBS is a better choice, just for national advertising and awareness, but the same posters choose to stick their heads in the sand.
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(12-11-2017 01:56 PM)jacksfan29 Wrote:  This may be the dumbest thread of all time. ...

There is no benefit, financially for any of the four schools mentioned to move up. Costs will increase dramatically while revenues stagnate. All for a shot at playing in the Potato Bowl?

All four administrations will sit back and wait things out. None are going to sign up for an FBS move right now, there are just too many question marks as to the future of G5.

Tell me why then have 10 schools moved up in ten years but only one has tentatively moved down?

FCS is expensive for what one gets out of it. FBS is the less costly choice if facilities are available and a coherent conference for the school is available. There are innumerable studies that show FBS is a better choice, just for national advertising and awareness, but the same posters choose to stick their heads in the sand.

And most of those move ups have talked about how they are struggling financially, and, all are located in populated areas. South Dakota and North Dakota are both pretty isolated.

JMU could move, so could Sam Houston. Both are in populated areas and both could have moved years ago. But not under current circumstances. TV money is drying up. National advertising/exposure? Seriously? 1.1 million watched the Potato Bowl last year. Almost 2 million watched the NDSU v SDSU playoff QUARTERFINAL last year. If NDSU v SDSU happens in Frisco this year expect close to 3 million to watch the game. Very much on par with mid-level bowls.

I'll take the exposure NDSU, SDSU get over the exposure the MAC, CUSA or SBC get playing weeknights. Unless you are at the top of the AAC or MWC, you are not getting a lot of exposure playing G5 football.

Get used to UND playing FCS for a while. Maybe, if UND builds stronger program you can begin to compete with the other Dakota schools. The day may come when NDSU and SDSU move up to another level, as of right now, neither are going anywhere. And neither is UND.
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(12-11-2017 02:41 PM)jacksfan29 Wrote:  
(12-11-2017 02:17 PM)NoDak Wrote:  
(12-11-2017 01:56 PM)jacksfan29 Wrote:  This may be the dumbest thread of all time. ...

There is no benefit, financially for any of the four schools mentioned to move up. Costs will increase dramatically while revenues stagnate. All for a shot at playing in the Potato Bowl?

All four administrations will sit back and wait things out. None are going to sign up for an FBS move right now, there are just too many question marks as to the future of G5.

Tell me why then have 10 schools moved up in ten years but only one has tentatively moved down?

FCS is expensive for what one gets out of it. FBS is the less costly choice if facilities are available and a coherent conference for the school is available. There are innumerable studies that show FBS is a better choice, just for national advertising and awareness, but the same posters choose to stick their heads in the sand.

And most of those move ups have talked about how they are struggling financially, and, all are located in populated areas. South Dakota and North Dakota are both pretty isolated.

JMU could move, so could Sam Houston. Both are in populated areas and both could have moved years ago. But not under current circumstances. TV money is drying up. National advertising/exposure? Seriously? 1.1 million watched the Potato Bowl last year. Almost 2 million watched the NDSU v SDSU playoff QUARTERFINAL last year. If NDSU v SDSU happens in Frisco this year expect close to 3 million to watch the game. Very much on par with mid-level bowls.

I'll take the exposure NDSU, SDSU get over the exposure the MAC, CUSA or SBC get playing weeknights. Unless you are at the top of the AAC or MWC, you are not getting a lot of exposure playing G5 football.

Get used to UND playing FCS for a while. Maybe, if UND builds stronger program you can begin to compete with the other Dakota schools. The day may come when NDSU and SDSU move up to another level, as of right now, neither are going anywhere. And neither is UND.
Frisco has a bowl game now. The new US Bank stadium in Minneapolis would love a bowl with a Dakota school vs the MAC.

Nothing ever stays the same here on earth, but you always believe they will.

SDSU was an also ran in at the D2 level in football forever. UND, No Colo and Omaha dominated NDSU and SDSU for more than a decade. That changed when they went FCS.
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(12-11-2017 01:56 PM)jacksfan29 Wrote:  This may be the dumbest thread of all time. NDSU has had a great run of success and it will likely continue though there were knocked off last year and, both South Dakota State (who have already beaten them this year) and JMU have shots at beating the Bison in the championship game.

JMU have only been solid the last two years and almost got knocked out of this years playoffs by Weber State. South Dakota State have had a good run the past 7 years, but prior to moving up SDSU were a basketball school with average FB.

There is no benefit, financially for any of the four schools mentioned to move up. Costs will increase dramatically while revenues stagnate. All for a shot at playing in the Potato Bowl?

All four administrations will sit back and wait things out. None are going to sign up for an FBS move right now, there are just too many question marks as to the future of G5.


Summit League is just a one bid league for men's basketball. When both NDSU and SDSU have a winning record? They both deserve to be in the 68 field team. They should look at going to the MWC that have a multi bid conference. Both schools will get their RPIs up, and they would earn more money that way. Both schools could actually get a deal with ESPN to hold home games like Boise State. They are hot schools on the rise, and they get more exposure than they do right now.
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(12-11-2017 03:29 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  
(12-11-2017 01:56 PM)jacksfan29 Wrote:  This may be the dumbest thread of all time. NDSU has had a great run of success and it will likely continue though there were knocked off last year and, both South Dakota State (who have already beaten them this year) and JMU have shots at beating the Bison in the championship game.

JMU have only been solid the last two years and almost got knocked out of this years playoffs by Weber State. South Dakota State have had a good run the past 7 years, but prior to moving up SDSU were a basketball school with average FB.

There is no benefit, financially for any of the four schools mentioned to move up. Costs will increase dramatically while revenues stagnate. All for a shot at playing in the Potato Bowl?

All four administrations will sit back and wait things out. None are going to sign up for an FBS move right now, there are just too many question marks as to the future of G5.


Summit League is just a one bid league for men's basketball. When both NDSU and SDSU have a winning record? They both deserve to be in the 68 field team. They should look at going to the MWC that have a multi bid conference. Both schools will get their RPIs up, and they would earn more money that way. Both schools could actually get a deal with ESPN to hold home games like Boise State. They are hot schools on the rise, and they get more exposure than they do right now.

NCAA men's tourney bids for the MW in the last 5 years:

2013 - 5
2014 - 2
2015 - 3
2016 - 1
2017 - 1

The MW lost in the first round in both of the last 2 years. At-large bids are drying up outside of the P5 + Big East. Last year a grand total of 4 teams not from those 6 conferences got at-large bids and they were seeded 6, 7, 7, and 10. This is why I don't watch the tourney anymore. Changing conferences will not help get tourney bids.
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(12-11-2017 02:41 PM)jacksfan29 Wrote:  
(12-11-2017 02:17 PM)NoDak Wrote:  
(12-11-2017 01:56 PM)jacksfan29 Wrote:  This may be the dumbest thread of all time. ...

There is no benefit, financially for any of the four schools mentioned to move up. Costs will increase dramatically while revenues stagnate. All for a shot at playing in the Potato Bowl?

All four administrations will sit back and wait things out. None are going to sign up for an FBS move right now, there are just too many question marks as to the future of G5.

Tell me why then have 10 schools moved up in ten years but only one has tentatively moved down?

FCS is expensive for what one gets out of it. FBS is the less costly choice if facilities are available and a coherent conference for the school is available. There are innumerable studies that show FBS is a better choice, just for national advertising and awareness, but the same posters choose to stick their heads in the sand.

And most of those move ups have talked about how they are struggling financially, and, all are located in populated areas. South Dakota and North Dakota are both pretty isolated.

JMU could move, so could Sam Houston. Both are in populated areas and both could have moved years ago. But not under current circumstances. TV money is drying up. National advertising/exposure? Seriously? 1.1 million watched the Potato Bowl last year. Almost 2 million watched the NDSU v SDSU playoff QUARTERFINAL last year. If NDSU v SDSU happens in Frisco this year expect close to 3 million to watch the game. Very much on par with mid-level bowls.

I'll take the exposure NDSU, SDSU get over the exposure the MAC, CUSA or SBC get playing weeknights. Unless you are at the top of the AAC or MWC, you are not getting a lot of exposure playing G5 football.

Get used to UND playing FCS for a while. Maybe, if UND builds stronger program you can begin to compete with the other Dakota schools. The day may come when NDSU and SDSU move up to another level, as of right now, neither are going anywhere. And neither is UND.

You said my thread is dumb then suggest that Sam could move up. With rare exception, like Lamar, the Southland schools could not be FBS and a few are barely D-I.

Sam is not in a highly populated area, it's close to a highly populated area but they get little run around here. The Southland gets coverage and fanfare collectively. If Houston isn't spoken for by the Big 12 or A&M, it's spoken for by Houston or even the SWAC at least as much as the Southland/Sam. Even Rice would garner more attention if they ever put a team together worth watching.

Sam would never be higher than a Sun Belt level school, which means they would only rarely be nationally ranked and grab minimal headlines. It would not be wise for them to move up unless the Southland as a whole moved up. The Dakotas and DSU's would fare better because they command attention in their entire state and NDSU has an added bonus of almost being in Minnesota. They don't have to fight major schools for headlines nearly as much as JMU, Southland schools or even Houston.
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(12-10-2017 08:29 PM)Bogg Wrote:  
(12-10-2017 05:37 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  [quote='Bogg' pid='14885676' dateline='1512943621']
"Alabama football at this point is a boring product with Nick Saban at the helm, there's never any mystery as to whether they'll be good or not. They have nothing left to prove with him as coach. The AD at Alabama should fire Nick Saban to demonstrate that the school is up to the challenge of rebuilding under a different coach. They should do this because it will be hard and they might fail, which would be interesting."

The point is that doing something just because it's difficult doesn't make it a good idea, and the college football landscape has changed a lot in the last 25 years. If NDSU had a Big 10 invite I'd be right there arguing they should move up, but they'd be looking at a long haul as an FBS independent with no natural conference to fall in to and no natural rivals. It's a recipe for failure, and killing your athletic department just because doesn't make much sense.

Why not? They could always move right back down if they fizzled out. They probably have a sizable diehard fanbase by now. Win a few games at FCS after dropping and they'll be right back where were.
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(12-11-2017 05:24 PM)AZcats Wrote:  
(12-11-2017 03:29 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  
(12-11-2017 01:56 PM)jacksfan29 Wrote:  This may be the dumbest thread of all time. NDSU has had a great run of success and it will likely continue though there were knocked off last year and, both South Dakota State (who have already beaten them this year) and JMU have shots at beating the Bison in the championship game.

JMU have only been solid the last two years and almost got knocked out of this years playoffs by Weber State. South Dakota State have had a good run the past 7 years, but prior to moving up SDSU were a basketball school with average FB.

There is no benefit, financially for any of the four schools mentioned to move up. Costs will increase dramatically while revenues stagnate. All for a shot at playing in the Potato Bowl?

All four administrations will sit back and wait things out. None are going to sign up for an FBS move right now, there are just too many question marks as to the future of G5.


Summit League is just a one bid league for men's basketball. When both NDSU and SDSU have a winning record? They both deserve to be in the 68 field team. They should look at going to the MWC that have a multi bid conference. Both schools will get their RPIs up, and they would earn more money that way. Both schools could actually get a deal with ESPN to hold home games like Boise State. They are hot schools on the rise, and they get more exposure than they do right now.

NCAA men's tourney bids for the MW in the last 5 years:

2013 - 5
2014 - 2
2015 - 3
2016 - 1
2017 - 1

The MW lost in the first round in both of the last 2 years. At-large bids are drying up outside of the P5 + Big East. Last year a grand total of 4 teams not from those 6 conferences got at-large bids and they were seeded 6, 7, 7, and 10. This is why I don't watch the tourney anymore. Changing conferences will not help get tourney bids.

Yup. P5+BE are flexing their financial muscles here...of course CBS & Turner didn't shell $10.8B for a bunch of unknowns to eat up air time either. Need to maximize those ad dollars.
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Umm, the unknowns are what make March Madness what it is, you just don't want too many of them or at least want them gone by the Elite 8, if not by the Sweet 16. No one is tuning in to watch Clemson versus Arizona State in the 7-10 or in a 12-13 surprise.
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RE: It's time for Madison and NDSU to move up...
(12-10-2017 11:22 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  
(12-10-2017 11:09 AM)Yosef Himself Wrote:  JMU should have been FBS years ago when App and GaSo moved up.

Shy Jimmy should have lost his virginity years ago when Slutty Betty made the offer. She's found JEsus now, and Jimmy is out of luck.

Comment of the month. LOL.
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RE: It's time for Madison and NDSU to move up...
(12-12-2017 12:57 AM)SDHornet Wrote:  
(12-11-2017 05:24 PM)AZcats Wrote:  
(12-11-2017 03:29 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  
(12-11-2017 01:56 PM)jacksfan29 Wrote:  This may be the dumbest thread of all time. NDSU has had a great run of success and it will likely continue though there were knocked off last year and, both South Dakota State (who have already beaten them this year) and JMU have shots at beating the Bison in the championship game.

JMU have only been solid the last two years and almost got knocked out of this years playoffs by Weber State. South Dakota State have had a good run the past 7 years, but prior to moving up SDSU were a basketball school with average FB.

There is no benefit, financially for any of the four schools mentioned to move up. Costs will increase dramatically while revenues stagnate. All for a shot at playing in the Potato Bowl?

All four administrations will sit back and wait things out. None are going to sign up for an FBS move right now, there are just too many question marks as to the future of G5.


Summit League is just a one bid league for men's basketball. When both NDSU and SDSU have a winning record? They both deserve to be in the 68 field team. They should look at going to the MWC that have a multi bid conference. Both schools will get their RPIs up, and they would earn more money that way. Both schools could actually get a deal with ESPN to hold home games like Boise State. They are hot schools on the rise, and they get more exposure than they do right now.

NCAA men's tourney bids for the MW in the last 5 years:

2013 - 5
2014 - 2
2015 - 3
2016 - 1
2017 - 1

The MW lost in the first round in both of the last 2 years. At-large bids are drying up outside of the P5 + Big East. Last year a grand total of 4 teams not from those 6 conferences got at-large bids and they were seeded 6, 7, 7, and 10. This is why I don't watch the tourney anymore. Changing conferences will not help get tourney bids.

Yup. P5+BE are flexing their financial muscles here...of course CBS & Turner didn't shell $10.8B for a bunch of unknowns to eat up air time either. Need to maximize those ad dollars.


MWC are not unknown. You have UNLV, New Mexico and Colorado State that have gone to the tournaments before. Boise State is on the rise and San Diego State are flexing their muscles lately. It did hurt losing BYU, but hey did gain with Boise State. As for the P5 and Big East? Some of those teams do not deserve to be in the 68 field as they usually go out in the first 2 rounds. (cough, oklahoma lost to North dakota State, cough)
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RE: It's time for Madison and NDSU to move up...
(12-12-2017 01:31 AM)_C2_ Wrote:  Umm, the unknowns are what make March Madness what it is, you just don't want too many of them or at least want them gone by the Elite 8, if not by the Sweet 16. No one is tuning in to watch Clemson versus Arizona State in the 7-10 or in a 12-13 surprise.

I think you are giving the "unknowns" way too much credit for the success of the NCAAT. When there is a choice between #1 Duke vs #16 Unknown U in the first round or Clemson vs Arizona State in the 7-10, most people are watching the latter. When, occasionally, a high seed isn't blowing out their unknown opponent, fans will use their remote to check in on that game from time to time.

The "real" NCAAT starts at the round of 32. And no school is moving up to FBS because of what it may or may not do for its NCAAT chances.
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RE: It's time for Madison and NDSU to move up...
At some point, there will likely be strong resistance by existing G5 schools to allowing any more moveups. They realize that the cash they get from the CFP is essentially a fixed pot - it won't grow as FBS grows. So every new move up takes money out of the pockets of current G5 members. And, eventually, when the FBS reaches a certain size, there will be a split that will take that entire CFP pot off the table.

What drives schools to move up from FCS isn't money, it's ego. There will always be plenty of that. I'm sure there will always be consultants who will be happy to take a large fee to help an ego driven college president and/or booster convince his board that moving up to FBS will help the school's academic side. Then they will take another fee to tell them that it did (whether or not it is true).

But something tells me that UL-Monroe isn't getting very many new students they wouldn't get otherwise because they play football in the Sunbelt.
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