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RE: Why have we not added Army yet?
(12-11-2017 12:28 PM)panama Wrote:  
(12-11-2017 12:18 PM)Bull Wrote:  Hopefully, Aresco will 'price' our new contract with our 12 school football lineup... but then price it with 'expansion options'. that way, we can let these schools know what they would make with us... if it's an upgrade, maybe we coax them to join. Absent that information, I doubt they would even consider the AAC.

Option packages:
12 schools as is
12 + BYU/Army
12 + AFA/Army
12 + AFA/CSU

Not sure if we should bother pricing SDSU, uMASS or NIU...

Unless you are getting B12 money nobody is throwing away relatively regional rivalries and traveling 2k to 3k miles for that. If so it would have already happened.

Great, you seem an expert on what BYU, AFA and Army 'will' do... But my suggestion was to price it, since that's how business really works...
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RE: Why have we not added Army yet?
(12-11-2017 01:24 PM)Bull Wrote:  
(12-11-2017 12:28 PM)panama Wrote:  
(12-11-2017 12:18 PM)Bull Wrote:  Hopefully, Aresco will 'price' our new contract with our 12 school football lineup... but then price it with 'expansion options'. that way, we can let these schools know what they would make with us... if it's an upgrade, maybe we coax them to join. Absent that information, I doubt they would even consider the AAC.

Option packages:
12 schools as is
12 + BYU/Army
12 + AFA/Army
12 + AFA/CSU

Not sure if we should bother pricing SDSU, uMASS or NIU...

Unless you are getting B12 money nobody is throwing away relatively regional rivalries and traveling 2k to 3k miles for that. If so it would have already happened.

Great, you seem an expert on what BYU, AFA and Army 'will' do... But my suggestion was to price it, since that's how business really works...

I actually think that is a good idea. However, with the caveat that it is only a good idea if those schools will join you. As the only way you can offer said option is if those schools have already been negotiating with the AAC, and have a tentative agreement to join. Else, you could be sued for fraud or false representation. That is how business works.
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RE: Why have we not added Army yet?
(12-11-2017 02:22 PM)fanhood Wrote:  
(12-11-2017 01:24 PM)Bull Wrote:  
(12-11-2017 12:28 PM)panama Wrote:  
(12-11-2017 12:18 PM)Bull Wrote:  Hopefully, Aresco will 'price' our new contract with our 12 school football lineup... but then price it with 'expansion options'. that way, we can let these schools know what they would make with us... if it's an upgrade, maybe we coax them to join. Absent that information, I doubt they would even consider the AAC.

Option packages:
12 schools as is
12 + BYU/Army
12 + AFA/Army
12 + AFA/CSU

Not sure if we should bother pricing SDSU, uMASS or NIU...

Unless you are getting B12 money nobody is throwing away relatively regional rivalries and traveling 2k to 3k miles for that. If so it would have already happened.

Great, you seem an expert on what BYU, AFA and Army 'will' do... But my suggestion was to price it, since that's how business really works...

I actually think that is a good idea. However, with the caveat that it is only a good idea if those schools will join you. As the only way you can offer said option is if those schools have already been negotiating with the AAC, and have a tentative agreement to join. Else, you could be sued for fraud or false representation. That is how business works.

I think if Aresco approached any of these schools to gauge interest... their very first question will be 'how much??'. Therefore, I think the first step for us is to get tentative prices from for our TV contract with various additional schools. THEN you approach the schools. Otherwise, you are just wasting your time. How can BYU say they are interested if they don't know the payoff?

I can't see how it's fraud to simply get prices for potential expansion packages... where is the fraud? It's just asking for 'what if' scenarios.
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RE: Why have we not added Army yet?
(12-11-2017 01:24 PM)Bull Wrote:  
(12-11-2017 12:28 PM)panama Wrote:  
(12-11-2017 12:18 PM)Bull Wrote:  Hopefully, Aresco will 'price' our new contract with our 12 school football lineup... but then price it with 'expansion options'. that way, we can let these schools know what they would make with us... if it's an upgrade, maybe we coax them to join. Absent that information, I doubt they would even consider the AAC.

Option packages:
12 schools as is
12 + BYU/Army
12 + AFA/Army
12 + AFA/CSU

Not sure if we should bother pricing SDSU, uMASS or NIU...

Unless you are getting B12 money nobody is throwing away relatively regional rivalries and traveling 2k to 3k miles for that. If so it would have already happened.

Great, you seem an expert on what BYU, AFA and Army 'will' do... But my suggestion was to price it, since that's how business really works...
This is not the first time this same exact plan has been posited. Has been talked to death to no avail.
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RE: Why have we not added Army yet?
(12-11-2017 02:29 PM)Bull Wrote:  
(12-11-2017 02:22 PM)fanhood Wrote:  
(12-11-2017 01:24 PM)Bull Wrote:  
(12-11-2017 12:28 PM)panama Wrote:  
(12-11-2017 12:18 PM)Bull Wrote:  Hopefully, Aresco will 'price' our new contract with our 12 school football lineup... but then price it with 'expansion options'. that way, we can let these schools know what they would make with us... if it's an upgrade, maybe we coax them to join. Absent that information, I doubt they would even consider the AAC.

Option packages:
12 schools as is
12 + BYU/Army
12 + AFA/Army
12 + AFA/CSU

Not sure if we should bother pricing SDSU, uMASS or NIU...

Unless you are getting B12 money nobody is throwing away relatively regional rivalries and traveling 2k to 3k miles for that. If so it would have already happened.

Great, you seem an expert on what BYU, AFA and Army 'will' do... But my suggestion was to price it, since that's how business really works...

I actually think that is a good idea. However, with the caveat that it is only a good idea if those schools will join you. As the only way you can offer said option is if those schools have already been negotiating with the AAC, and have a tentative agreement to join. Else, you could be sued for fraud or false representation. That is how business works.

I think if Aresco approached any of these schools to gauge interest... their very first question will be 'how much??'. Therefore, I think the first step for us is to get tentative prices from for our TV contract with various additional schools. THEN you approach the schools. Otherwise, you are just wasting your time. How can BYU say they are interested if they don't know the payoff?

I can't see how it's fraud to simply get prices for potential expansion packages... where is the fraud? It's just asking for 'what if' scenarios.

You don't see how providing a pricing option to a company (NBC, ESPN, Fox), based on another organization (BYU, AFA, Army) without their permission is fraud or misrepresentation?

I'll help you out. It is misrepresentation, and you can be sued for it.
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RE: Why have we not added Army yet?
(12-11-2017 03:23 PM)fanhood Wrote:  
(12-11-2017 02:29 PM)Bull Wrote:  
(12-11-2017 02:22 PM)fanhood Wrote:  
(12-11-2017 01:24 PM)Bull Wrote:  
(12-11-2017 12:28 PM)panama Wrote:  Unless you are getting B12 money nobody is throwing away relatively regional rivalries and traveling 2k to 3k miles for that. If so it would have already happened.

Great, you seem an expert on what BYU, AFA and Army 'will' do... But my suggestion was to price it, since that's how business really works...

I actually think that is a good idea. However, with the caveat that it is only a good idea if those schools will join you. As the only way you can offer said option is if those schools have already been negotiating with the AAC, and have a tentative agreement to join. Else, you could be sued for fraud or false representation. That is how business works.

I think if Aresco approached any of these schools to gauge interest... their very first question will be 'how much??'. Therefore, I think the first step for us is to get tentative prices from for our TV contract with various additional schools. THEN you approach the schools. Otherwise, you are just wasting your time. How can BYU say they are interested if they don't know the payoff?

I can't see how it's fraud to simply get prices for potential expansion packages... where is the fraud? It's just asking for 'what if' scenarios.

You don't see how providing a pricing option to a company (NBC, ESPN, Fox), based on another organization (BYU, AFA, Army) without their permission is fraud or misrepresentation?

I'll help you out. It is misrepresentation, and you can be sued for it.

You're overthinking it. Tell NBC that you're considering expansion. Then, ask how much the media package might increase or decrease if you add certain specific schools. The Big East did this EXACT thing with ESPN and NBC the last go-round with certain MWC schools and BYU and Army.

Neither BYU nor Army would have any claim against the AAC to receive a quote from NBC based on hypothetical scenarios and expansion possibilities. They wouldn't even have claims if they are specifically referenced in the contract. You haven't misrepresented anything.
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(12-09-2017 05:53 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  
(12-09-2017 04:20 PM)WhyIsTheRumGone Wrote:  As an ECU fan, I couldn't not imagine having to endure being trounced by 3 triple option teams every year. Navy is enough.

Who is the third?

We used to kill Army though. The way they are playing now that may be different. Still remember those were great games to attend. Army has great fans and just brings class to the conference. West Point is an awesome venue.

I am positive it would enhance our tv deal. Maybe they will decide to come at some point. It would make their scheduling a lot easier.
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(12-11-2017 03:23 PM)fanhood Wrote:  
(12-11-2017 02:29 PM)Bull Wrote:  
(12-11-2017 02:22 PM)fanhood Wrote:  
(12-11-2017 01:24 PM)Bull Wrote:  
(12-11-2017 12:28 PM)panama Wrote:  Unless you are getting B12 money nobody is throwing away relatively regional rivalries and traveling 2k to 3k miles for that. If so it would have already happened.

Great, you seem an expert on what BYU, AFA and Army 'will' do... But my suggestion was to price it, since that's how business really works...


I actually think that is a good idea. However, with the caveat that it is only a good idea if those schools will join you. As the only way you can offer said option is if those schools have already been negotiating with the AAC, and have a tentative agreement to join. Else, you could be sued for fraud or false representation. That is how business works.

I think if Aresco approached any of these schools to gauge interest... their very first question will be 'how much??'. Therefore, I think the first step for us is to get tentative prices from for our TV contract with various additional schools. THEN you approach the schools. Otherwise, you are just wasting your time. How can BYU say they are interested if they don't know the payoff?

I can't see how it's fraud to simply get prices for potential expansion packages... where is the fraud? It's just asking for 'what if' scenarios.

You don't see how providing a pricing option to a company (NBC, ESPN, Fox), based on another organization (BYU, AFA, Army) without their permission is fraud or misrepresentation?

I'll help you out. It is misrepresentation, and you can be sued for it.


Seriously, are you trolling me? You have to be.... It's like this:

Aresco to ESPN: "What would you pay for our conference? And what WOULD you pay me **IF** we could persuade schools X and Y to join us? Really? That much?? Thank you!"

Notice the conditionals there? Where is the fraud? You have every right in the world to ask these questions as part of your negotiations. Nowhere are we stating that any school WILL join. It's only a misrepresentation if we claimed that they WOULD join... No one is saying that.

No one will commit to joining the AAC without knowing what they would be paid, they would be stupid to even consider it. These are just the appropriate discussions to have as part of the negotiations.
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RE: Why have we not added Army yet?
(12-11-2017 12:28 PM)panama Wrote:  
(12-11-2017 12:18 PM)Bull Wrote:  Hopefully, Aresco will 'price' our new contract with our 12 school football lineup... but then price it with 'expansion options'. that way, we can let these schools know what they would make with us... if it's an upgrade, maybe we coax them to join. Absent that information, I doubt they would even consider the AAC.

Option packages:
12 schools as is
12 + BYU/Army
12 + AFA/Army
12 + AFA/CSU

Not sure if we should bother pricing SDSU, uMASS or NIU...

Unless you are getting B12 money nobody is throwing away relatively regional rivalries and traveling 2k to 3k miles for that. If so it would have already happened.

lol. Schools were willing to do it for far less than Big12 money. I believe 6 million was the price that they were more than willing to join the Big East for.
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RE: Why have we not added Army yet?
(12-11-2017 02:22 PM)fanhood Wrote:  
(12-11-2017 01:24 PM)Bull Wrote:  
(12-11-2017 12:28 PM)panama Wrote:  
(12-11-2017 12:18 PM)Bull Wrote:  Hopefully, Aresco will 'price' our new contract with our 12 school football lineup... but then price it with 'expansion options'. that way, we can let these schools know what they would make with us... if it's an upgrade, maybe we coax them to join. Absent that information, I doubt they would even consider the AAC.

Option packages:
12 schools as is
12 + BYU/Army
12 + AFA/Army
12 + AFA/CSU

Not sure if we should bother pricing SDSU, uMASS or NIU...

Unless you are getting B12 money nobody is throwing away relatively regional rivalries and traveling 2k to 3k miles for that. If so it would have already happened.

Great, you seem an expert on what BYU, AFA and Army 'will' do... But my suggestion was to price it, since that's how business really works...

I actually think that is a good idea. However, with the caveat that it is only a good idea if those schools will join you. As the only way you can offer said option is if those schools have already been negotiating with the AAC, and have a tentative agreement to join. Else, you could be sued for fraud or false representation. That is how business works.



Thats not true at all. Just be truthful. You can ask what such a potential union would be worth to the network. Its not misrepresentation as long as you tell them the truth. If you say "We havent spoken with them, but would like to know if the network see's value in such a union and if so how much?"--thats ok. With that information, you know whether its worth taking further steps tp potentially add the schools. There is HUGE difference between asking how much it would be worth to the network IF you added BYU/Air Force/Army and approaching the network telling them you ACTUALLY HAVE the rights to BYU/Air Force/Army. The former is just a form of aquisitions and merger research that happens every day in growth companies-----the latter is actually fraud.

The real issue there is you'd have to have an uninvolved intermediary with no direct connection to the AAC present the potential of such a concept to the target schools. The key here is the first contact by actual school officials MUST be initiated by the target schools in order to avoid any claims of tortious interference. So the AAC cannot directly approach the targets.
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(12-09-2017 03:35 PM)baruna falls Wrote:  Watching Army Navy game. Why have we not added Army yet? How about Air Force. Add them both and then use their leverage to pressure The powers to include AAC as power conference. Thoughts?

I think we should draft 'em. Just send them a notice in the mail to report to the AAC offices for induction.
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(12-11-2017 08:59 PM)Bull Wrote:  
(12-11-2017 03:23 PM)fanhood Wrote:  
(12-11-2017 02:29 PM)Bull Wrote:  
(12-11-2017 02:22 PM)fanhood Wrote:  
(12-11-2017 01:24 PM)Bull Wrote:  Great, you seem an expert on what BYU, AFA and Army 'will' do... But my suggestion was to price it, since that's how business really works...


I actually think that is a good idea. However, with the caveat that it is only a good idea if those schools will join you. As the only way you can offer said option is if those schools have already been negotiating with the AAC, and have a tentative agreement to join. Else, you could be sued for fraud or false representation. That is how business works.

I think if Aresco approached any of these schools to gauge interest... their very first question will be 'how much??'. Therefore, I think the first step for us is to get tentative prices from for our TV contract with various additional schools. THEN you approach the schools. Otherwise, you are just wasting your time. How can BYU say they are interested if they don't know the payoff?

I can't see how it's fraud to simply get prices for potential expansion packages... where is the fraud? It's just asking for 'what if' scenarios.

You don't see how providing a pricing option to a company (NBC, ESPN, Fox), based on another organization (BYU, AFA, Army) without their permission is fraud or misrepresentation?

I'll help you out. It is misrepresentation, and you can be sued for it.


Seriously, are you trolling me? You have to be.... It's like this:

Aresco to ESPN: "What would you pay for our conference? And what WOULD you pay me **IF** we could persuade schools X and Y to join us? Really? That much?? Thank you!"

Notice the conditionals there? Where is the fraud? You have every right in the world to ask these questions as part of your negotiations. Nowhere are we stating that any school WILL join. It's only a misrepresentation if we claimed that they WOULD join... No one is saying that.

No one will commit to joining the AAC without knowing what they would be paid, they would be stupid to even consider it. These are just the appropriate discussions to have as part of the negotiations.


Wow. Good luck.
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I read a lot of good points made by both sides, but look at their 2018 Schedule, it screams "take me AAC, take me away from this mess"



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(12-12-2017 06:18 PM)Poseidon Wrote:  I read a lot of good points made by both sides, but look at their 2018 Schedule, it screams "take me AAC, take me away from this mess"



at Duke Blue Devils
Liberty Flames 03-puke
Hawaii Rainbow Warriors
Oklahoma Sooners
at Buffalo Bulls 03-puke
at San Jose State Spartans 03-puke
Miami (OH) RedHawks
at Eastern Michigan Eagles 03-puke
Air Force Falcons
Lafayette Leopards 03-puke
Colgate Raiders 03-puke
Navy Midshipmen

Army likes winnable games and road games in Texas, California, North Carolina, and Ohio/Michigan. The 2018 schedule fits their plan well.

Oklahoma at home has got to be the biggest game for Army since the Korean War.
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(12-12-2017 07:18 PM)YNot Wrote:  
(12-12-2017 06:18 PM)Poseidon Wrote:  I read a lot of good points made by both sides, but look at their 2018 Schedule, it screams "take me AAC, take me away from this mess"



at Duke Blue Devils
Liberty Flames 03-puke
Hawaii Rainbow Warriors
Oklahoma Sooners
at Buffalo Bulls 03-puke
at San Jose State Spartans 03-puke
Miami (OH) RedHawks
at Eastern Michigan Eagles 03-puke
Air Force Falcons
Lafayette Leopards 03-puke
Colgate Raiders 03-puke
Navy Midshipmen

Army likes winnable games and road games in Texas, California, North Carolina, and Ohio/Michigan. The 2018 schedule fits their plan well.

Oklahoma at home has got to be the biggest game for Army since the Korean War.

I know a conference where they could regularly have road games in Texas, North Carolina, and Ohio. Florida too!

And VERY winnable games in North Carolina, Connecticut, Ohio, and Oklahoma!
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RE: Why have we not added Army yet?
Army has had a standing invitation to the Big East/American since shortly after the 2005 expansion. All they had to do was accept.
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(12-12-2017 07:18 PM)YNot Wrote:  
(12-12-2017 06:18 PM)Poseidon Wrote:  I read a lot of good points made by both sides, but look at their 2018 Schedule, it screams "take me AAC, take me away from this mess"



at Duke Blue Devils
Liberty Flames 03-puke
Hawaii Rainbow Warriors
Oklahoma Sooners
at Buffalo Bulls 03-puke
at San Jose State Spartans 03-puke
Miami (OH) RedHawks
at Eastern Michigan Eagles 03-puke
Air Force Falcons
Lafayette Leopards 03-puke
Colgate Raiders 03-puke
Navy Midshipmen

Army likes winnable games and road games in Texas, California, North Carolina, and Ohio/Michigan. The 2018 schedule fits their plan well.

Oklahoma at home has got to be the biggest game for Army since the Korean War.

Why only 2 FCS schools and 1 FCS to FBS transitioning school. Why not play 6 FCS schools. This schedule is a joke.

Sorry and its actually at Oklahoma.
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