(12-09-2017 04:44 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  If C-USA bides its time, the situation may end up resolving itself. For instance, in a hypothetical P4 scenario in 2025, the rebuilding Big 12 strips away most of the AAC schools. The few remaining AAC schools rebuild around a core of C-USA West, while the rump C-USA remains an eastern circuit. Like so:

AAC
East: La Tech, USM, Tulane, Tulsa, UAB
West: NMSU, North Texas, Rice, UTEP, UTSA
Non-FB: Wichita State

Big 12
East: UCF, UConn, ECU, Memphis, USF, Temple
West: Baylor, BYU*, ISU, KSU, Navy*, SMU

C-USA
North: Army*, Charlotte, JMU, Marshall, UMass*, ODU
South: App State, FAU, FIU, Georgia Southern, MTSU, WKU

Sun Belt
East: CCU, EKU, Georgia State, Liberty*, Troy
West: Ark State, ULL, ULM, South Alabama, Texas State
Non-FB: UALR, UTA

* = FB only

The MAC and MWC stay the same. Note that here, Cincinnati and Houston have been raptured into the P4. Of the Big 12 2.0 schools, only Baylor, ISU, and KSU were unable to find P4 homes.

I honestly would rather Arkansas State go independent before playing in a league that looks like that. That thing is horrendous looking.

(12-10-2017 02:59 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(12-09-2017 04:44 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  If C-USA bides its time, the situation may end up resolving itself. For instance, in a hypothetical P4 scenario in 2025, the rebuilding Big 12 strips away most of the AAC schools. The few remaining AAC schools rebuild around a core of C-USA West, while the rump C-USA remains an eastern circuit. Like so:

AAC
East: La Tech, USM, Tulane, Tulsa, UAB
West: NMSU, North Texas, Rice, UTEP, UTSA
Non-FB: Wichita State

Big 12
East: UCF, UConn, ECU, Memphis, USF, Temple
West: Baylor, BYU*, ISU, KSU, Navy*, SMU

C-USA
North: Army*, Charlotte, JMU, Marshall, UMass*, ODU
South: App State, FAU, FIU, Georgia Southern, MTSU, WKU

Sun Belt
East: CCU, EKU, Georgia State, Liberty*, Troy
West: Ark State, ULL, ULM, South Alabama, Texas State
Non-FB: UALR, UTA

* = FB only

The MAC and MWC stay the same. Note that here, Cincinnati and Houston have been raptured into the P4. Of the Big 12 2.0 schools, only Baylor, ISU, and KSU were unable to find P4 homes.

I honestly would rather Arkansas State go independent before playing in a league that looks like that. That thing is horrendous looking.

Well, it's the same as the current Sun Belt except App State and Georgia Southern have moved up to C-USA and have been replaced by EKU and Liberty.

(12-09-2017 04:44 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  If C-USA bides its time, the situation may end up resolving itself. For instance, in a hypothetical P4 scenario in 2025, the rebuilding Big 12 strips away most of the AAC schools. The few remaining AAC schools rebuild around a core of C-USA West, while the rump C-USA remains an eastern circuit. Like so:

AAC
East: La Tech, USM, Tulane, Tulsa, UAB
West: NMSU, North Texas, Rice, UTEP, UTSA
Non-FB: Wichita State

Big 12
East: UCF, UConn, ECU, Memphis, USF, Temple
West: Baylor, BYU*, ISU, KSU, Navy*, SMU

C-USA
North: Army*, Charlotte, JMU, Marshall, UMass*, ODU
South: App State, FAU, FIU, Georgia Southern, MTSU, WKU

Sun Belt
East: CCU, EKU, Georgia State, Liberty*, Troy
West: Ark State, ULL, ULM, South Alabama, Texas State
Non-FB: UALR, UTA

* = FB only

The MAC and MWC stay the same. Note that here, Cincinnati and Houston have been raptured into the P4. Of the Big 12 2.0 schools, only Baylor, ISU, and KSU were unable to find P4 homes.

Replace Army with either Delaware or Stony Brook. Army does not want to be in a conference.

(12-09-2017 04:44 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  If C-USA bides its time, the situation may end up resolving itself. For instance, in a hypothetical P4 scenario in 2025, the rebuilding Big 12 strips away most of the AAC schools. The few remaining AAC schools rebuild around a core of C-USA West, while the rump C-USA remains an eastern circuit. Like so:

AAC
East: La Tech, USM, Tulane, Tulsa, UAB
West: NMSU, North Texas, Rice, UTEP, UTSA
Non-FB: Wichita State

I don’t see the American repeating the same mistake that C-USA made by stretching from El Paso and Las Cruces to Birmingham. This would be better:

AAC
West: UTEP, New Mexico, Colorado State, Air Force, Wyoming
East: Tulsa, Tulane, Rice, North Texas, UTSA
I personally think Wichita State would get scooped up by the Big 12 (with BYU all sports), but if they stay here the American could add Denver.

MWC
West: Hawaii (football only), San Diego State, Fresno State, San Jose State, Sacramento State
Mountain: Nevada, UNLV, Utah State, New Mexico State, Boise State
Non-football: Seattle
Boise State and Hawaii can never have too many California schools.

CUSA
West: Louisiana Tech, Southern Miss, UAB, MTSU, WKU
East: FAU, FIU, Charlotte, Old Dominion, Marshall

UTRGV, Chicago State, and UMKC all leave the WAC. The remaining schools (Cal Baptist, Grand Canyon, and Utah Valley) all join the Big Sky.

(12-10-2017 09:22 AM)chargeradio Wrote:  

(12-09-2017 04:44 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  If C-USA bides its time, the situation may end up resolving itself. For instance, in a hypothetical P4 scenario in 2025, the rebuilding Big 12 strips away most of the AAC schools. The few remaining AAC schools rebuild around a core of C-USA West, while the rump C-USA remains an eastern circuit. Like so:

AAC
East: La Tech, USM, Tulane, Tulsa, UAB
West: NMSU, North Texas, Rice, UTEP, UTSA
Non-FB: Wichita State

I don’t see the American repeating the same mistake that C-USA made by stretching from El Paso and Las Cruces to Birmingham. This would be better:

AAC
West: UTEP, New Mexico, Colorado State, Air Force, Wyoming
East: Tulsa, Tulane, Rice, North Texas, UTSA
I personally think Wichita State would get scooped up by the Big 12 (with BYU all sports), but if they stay here the American could add Denver.

MWC
West: Hawaii (football only), San Diego State, Fresno State, San Jose State, Sacramento State
Mountain: Nevada, UNLV, Utah State, New Mexico State, Boise State
Non-football: Seattle
Boise State and Hawaii can never have too many California schools.

CUSA
West: Louisiana Tech, Southern Miss, UAB, MTSU, WKU
East: FAU, FIU, Charlotte, Old Dominion, Marshall

UTRGV, Chicago State, and UMKC all leave the WAC. The remaining schools (Cal Baptist, Grand Canyon, and Utah Valley) all join the Big Sky.

Just from a glance at a map, Wyoming to Tulane doesn't look all that much different than UTEP to UAB. Also, I was thinking that KSU would veto the addition of WSU.

What should CUSA do?

Disband. Unworkable concept. I will take the nice little bus league we have in the MAC where fans can go to a road game if they want

(12-09-2017 08:10 PM)TrueBlueDrew Wrote:  East: Georgia Southern, App State, MTSU, ODU, Marshall, and Troy
West: UAB, USM, La Tech, ULL, Ark State, and WKU

Yeh, let's have this. It's be worth the extra splitting of the $10mil CFP money 12 ways instead of 10.

But flip WKU and Troy in the East/West. If LaTech doesn't want to join, go with USA.

New Southwest Conference
West: Rice, North Texas, UTSA, Texas St., UTEP, NM State, UTA (Basketball only)
East: Ark St., ULM, ULL, La. Tech, USM, USA, UALR (Basketball only)

New Sun Belt Conference
South: FIU, FAU, Ga. Southern, GSU, Coastal Car., Troy, UAB
North: App St., Charlotte, ODU, Liberty, Marshall, MTSU, WKU

I've used every school in both CUSA and the Sun Belt plus brought in NM St. and Liberty to balance the divisions geographically.

Aside from trips to FIU-FAU and UTEP-NM St., all of the games within these divisions are potential bus trips. Because of the pairings of FIU-FAU and UTEP-NM St., good scheduling can provide two games for any plane flight.

(12-10-2017 10:51 AM)orangefan Wrote:  New Southwest Conference
West: Rice, North Texas, UTSA, Texas St., UTEP, NM State, UTA (Basketball only)
East: Ark St., ULM, ULL, La. Tech, USM, USA, UALR (Basketball only)

New Sun Belt Conference
South: FIU, FAU, Ga. Southern, GSU, Coastal Car., Troy, UAB
North: App St., Charlotte, ODU, Liberty, Marshall, MTSU, WKU

I've used every school in both CUSA and the Sun Belt plus brought in NM St. and Liberty to balance the divisions geographically.

Aside from trips to FIU-FAU and UTEP-NM St., all of the games with these divisions are potential bus trips. Because of the pairings of FIU-FAU and UTEP-NM St., good scheduling can provide two games for any plane flight.

That's about the best you can do if you rebuild from scratch. Unfortunately, that means it's unlikely to occur.

(12-08-2017 02:36 PM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote:  Need to an airport meeting with the following schools and form a conference, everyone agree to swap and have the following:

CUSA
NORTH
WKU
James Madison
Liberty
Marshall
Old Dominion
Appalachian State
Charlotte

SOUTH
Coastal Carolina
Georgia State
Georgia Southern
UAB
Middle Tennessee
FIU
FAU

THEN the remaining schools need to get together:
SUN BELT
EAST
Troy
South Alabama
Southern Miss
ULM
Louisiana
Louisiana Tech
Arkansas State

WEST
Missouri State
Rice
Texas State
North State
UTSA
UTEP
New Mexico State

You need 2/3rds in both conferences to agree to it, so they can do it under the auspices of the existing two conferences, or they'll need a waiver from the NCAA to maintain CFP credits, and NCAA bids for non-football sports.

By the way, UTA and UALR are full voting members of the Sun Belt Conference and get a vote in this.

Basically, you need to find 8 members of the Sun Belt who would vote yes, and 10 members of CUSA.

Your plan would be opposed by the following schools for sure

Sun Belt: UALR, UTA
CUSA: Louisiana Tech, UTEP

I suspect that the following schools would have trouble with this plan

Sun Belt: Georgia State, Arkansas State, Coastal
CUSA: USM, North Texas, Marshall, MTSU, WKU

I don't think this gets done. Adding Missouri State to this scenario isn't going to be helpful, as some of the CUSA members might balk at another moveup, especially one that hasn't really done much on the FCS level. LU adds another wrinkle that would make life even more difficult.

(12-10-2017 11:55 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(12-08-2017 02:36 PM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote:  Need to an airport meeting with the following schools and form a conference, everyone agree to swap and have the following:

CUSA
NORTH
WKU
James Madison
Liberty
Marshall
Old Dominion
Appalachian State
Charlotte

SOUTH
Coastal Carolina
Georgia State
Georgia Southern
UAB
Middle Tennessee
FIU
FAU

THEN the remaining schools need to get together:
SUN BELT
EAST
Troy
South Alabama
Southern Miss
ULM
Louisiana
Louisiana Tech
Arkansas State

WEST
Missouri State
Rice
Texas State
North State
UTSA
UTEP
New Mexico State

You need 2/3rds in both conferences to agree to it, so they can do it under the auspices of the existing two conferences, or they'll need a waiver from the NCAA to maintain CFP credits, and NCAA bids for non-football sports.

By the way, UTA and UALR are full voting members of the Sun Belt Conference and get a vote in this.

Basically, you need to find 8 members of the Sun Belt who would vote yes, and 10 members of CUSA.

Your plan would be opposed by the following schools for sure

Sun Belt: UALR, UTA
CUSA: Louisiana Tech, UTEP

I suspect that the following schools would have trouble with this plan

Sun Belt: Georgia State, Arkansas State, Coastal
CUSA: USM, North Texas, Marshall, MTSU, WKU

I don't think this gets done. Adding Missouri State to this scenario isn't going to be helpful, as some of the CUSA members might balk at another moveup, especially one that hasn't really done much on the FCS level. LU adds another wrinkle that would make life even more difficult.

It's obvious why UALR and UTA would object. I gather that La Tech wouldn't want to be with ULM. UTEP might also object to NMSU, although they'd be great travel partners. If UTEP wants to be involved at all in a realignment, maybe they'll have to suck it up.

I'm thinking MTSU and WKU would object because they're not in the same division, but I'm not sure why the others you mention would have problems with that alignment.

How about this? It's the same as Orangefan's above, except I swapped South Alabama and UAB and traded Liberty for the much less controversial JMU. Travel partners for non-revenue sports are paired with slashes.

"Western Conference"
East: Arkansas State/UALR (non-FB), LA Tech/ULM, USM/UAB, ULL (paired with Rice)
West: NMSU/UTEP, Texas State/UTSA, North Texas/UTA (non-FB), Rice (paired with ULL)

"Eastern Conference"
North: App State/Charlotte, JMU/Marshall, MTSU/WKU, ODU (paired with CCU)
South: FAU/FIU, GA State/GA Southern, South Alabama/Troy, CCU (paired with ODU)
Protected FB crossover: App State/GA Southern

You might still have LA Tech and UTEP objecting, but I don't know if any others would. Would UNT object to UTA and UTSA object to Texas State?

(12-10-2017 10:44 AM)Yosef Himself Wrote:  

(12-09-2017 08:10 PM)TrueBlueDrew Wrote:  East: Georgia Southern, App State, MTSU, ODU, Marshall, and Troy
West: UAB, USM, La Tech, ULL, Ark State, and WKU

Yeh, let's have this. It's be worth the extra splitting of the $10mil CFP money 12 ways instead of 10.

But flip WKU and Troy in the East/West. If LaTech doesn't want to join, go with USA.

The increase in ticket revenue and decrease in travel cost will make up for the slight reduction in playoff revenue

I don't know about the future. But if it comes to becoming expensive for all schools including P5 schools? Would they vote for a 5 year freeze of all rules about creating new conferences? I know that we could actually form a new non-football Horizon league Conference in the south plains.

Little Rock
UTA
Corpus Christie
New Orleans
Oral Roberts
UMKC
They could get the ball rolling.

Add:
Dallas Baptist
OKCU down the road.
Nueman Wichita
Colorado-Colorado Springs
Rogers State (Tulsa area)
Drury (Springfield, MO.)
UAFS Fort Smith
UMSL
Christian Brothers Memphis
Regis or Metro State from Denver could be in the running.

That way the basketball schools do not feel the pressure of adding football. Southland then could open their doors to schools like Tarleton State and others that wants to move up.

All those D2 schools above could be options for the new southern plains Horizon League Conference.

(12-10-2017 04:00 AM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  

(12-10-2017 02:59 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(12-09-2017 04:44 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  If C-USA bides its time, the situation may end up resolving itself. For instance, in a hypothetical P4 scenario in 2025, the rebuilding Big 12 strips away most of the AAC schools. The few remaining AAC schools rebuild around a core of C-USA West, while the rump C-USA remains an eastern circuit. Like so:

AAC
East: La Tech, USM, Tulane, Tulsa, UAB
West: NMSU, North Texas, Rice, UTEP, UTSA
Non-FB: Wichita State

Big 12
East: UCF, UConn, ECU, Memphis, USF, Temple
West: Baylor, BYU*, ISU, KSU, Navy*, SMU

C-USA
North: Army*, Charlotte, JMU, Marshall, UMass*, ODU
South: App State, FAU, FIU, Georgia Southern, MTSU, WKU

Sun Belt
East: CCU, EKU, Georgia State, Liberty*, Troy
West: Ark State, ULL, ULM, South Alabama, Texas State
Non-FB: UALR, UTA

* = FB only

The MAC and MWC stay the same. Note that here, Cincinnati and Houston have been raptured into the P4. Of the Big 12 2.0 schools, only Baylor, ISU, and KSU were unable to find P4 homes.

I honestly would rather Arkansas State go independent before playing in a league that looks like that. That thing is horrendous looking.

Well, it's the same as the current Sun Belt except App State and Georgia Southern have moved up to C-USA and have been replaced by EKU and Liberty.

It's the Sun Belt without two of the three programs that can actually challenge us right now, and those programs were replaced with literal nothing.

We'd honestly do better independent than playing that crap on an everyday basis. We have a hard enough time getting the fan base to show up for a Georgia State or Texas State. Throwing in Liberty/EKU would just make it that much worse.

(12-11-2017 01:56 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  I don't know about the future. But if it comes to becoming expensive for all schools including P5 schools? Would they vote for a 5 year freeze of all rules about creating new conferences? I know that we could actually form a new non-football Horizon league Conference in the south plains.

Little Rock
UTA
Corpus Christie
New Orleans
Oral Roberts
UMKC
They could get the ball rolling.

Add:
Dallas Baptist
OKCU down the road.
Nueman Wichita
Colorado-Colorado Springs
Rogers State (Tulsa area)
Drury (Springfield, MO.)
UAFS Fort Smith
UMSL
Christian Brothers Memphis
Regis or Metro State from Denver could be in the running.

That way the basketball schools do not feel the pressure of adding football. Southland then could open their doors to schools like Tarleton State and others that wants to move up.

All those D2 schools above could be options for the new southern plains Horizon League Conference.

I think you posted in the wrong thread again.

(12-11-2017 01:59 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(12-10-2017 04:00 AM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  

(12-10-2017 02:59 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(12-09-2017 04:44 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  If C-USA bides its time, the situation may end up resolving itself. For instance, in a hypothetical P4 scenario in 2025, the rebuilding Big 12 strips away most of the AAC schools. The few remaining AAC schools rebuild around a core of C-USA West, while the rump C-USA remains an eastern circuit. Like so:

AAC
East: La Tech, USM, Tulane, Tulsa, UAB
West: NMSU, North Texas, Rice, UTEP, UTSA
Non-FB: Wichita State

Big 12
East: UCF, UConn, ECU, Memphis, USF, Temple
West: Baylor, BYU*, ISU, KSU, Navy*, SMU

C-USA
North: Army*, Charlotte, JMU, Marshall, UMass*, ODU
South: App State, FAU, FIU, Georgia Southern, MTSU, WKU

Sun Belt
East: CCU, EKU, Georgia State, Liberty*, Troy
West: Ark State, ULL, ULM, South Alabama, Texas State
Non-FB: UALR, UTA

* = FB only

The MAC and MWC stay the same. Note that here, Cincinnati and Houston have been raptured into the P4. Of the Big 12 2.0 schools, only Baylor, ISU, and KSU were unable to find P4 homes.

I honestly would rather Arkansas State go independent before playing in a league that looks like that. That thing is horrendous looking.

Well, it's the same as the current Sun Belt except App State and Georgia Southern have moved up to C-USA and have been replaced by EKU and Liberty.

It's the Sun Belt without two of the three programs that can actually challenge us right now, and those programs were replaced with literal nothing.

We'd honestly do better independent than playing that crap on an everyday basis. We have a hard enough time getting the fan base to show up for a Georgia State or Texas State. Throwing in Liberty/EKU would just make it that much worse.

So if App State and GA Southern left for another league, would there be a more likely pair of teams that the Sun Belt would replace them with? I added EKU because they were being considered along with CCU, and I added Liberty as a FB-only member basically because they're already FBS and the Sun Belt needed a 10th FB team.

(12-11-2017 05:55 AM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  

(12-11-2017 01:56 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  I don't know about the future. But if it comes to becoming expensive for all schools including P5 schools? Would they vote for a 5 year freeze of all rules about creating new conferences? I know that we could actually form a new non-football Horizon league Conference in the south plains.

Little Rock
UTA
Corpus Christie
New Orleans
Oral Roberts
UMKC
They could get the ball rolling.

Add:
Dallas Baptist
OKCU down the road.
Nueman Wichita
Colorado-Colorado Springs
Rogers State (Tulsa area)
Drury (Springfield, MO.)
UAFS Fort Smith
UMSL
Christian Brothers Memphis
Regis or Metro State from Denver could be in the running.

That way the basketball schools do not feel the pressure of adding football. Southland then could open their doors to schools like Tarleton State and others that wants to move up.

All those D2 schools above could be options for the new southern plains Horizon League Conference.

I think you posted in the wrong thread again.

Actually, some people posted about UTA and Little Rock who are part of the SBC to mixed in with the C-USA schools. If we created a conference for the non-football schools? We could open up spots for football schools from the FCS ranks to join like Missouri State and so forth. If you add Little Rock and UTA with the C-USA west schools? That would keep 2 football schools out of that mixed. It is something to think about creating new conferences for Geography reasons to cut costs. I might replace Little Rock with UCA in the mix.

(12-11-2017 05:58 AM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  

(12-11-2017 01:59 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(12-10-2017 04:00 AM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  

(12-10-2017 02:59 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(12-09-2017 04:44 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  If C-USA bides its time, the situation may end up resolving itself. For instance, in a hypothetical P4 scenario in 2025, the rebuilding Big 12 strips away most of the AAC schools. The few remaining AAC schools rebuild around a core of C-USA West, while the rump C-USA remains an eastern circuit. Like so:

AAC
East: La Tech, USM, Tulane, Tulsa, UAB
West: NMSU, North Texas, Rice, UTEP, UTSA
Non-FB: Wichita State

Big 12
East: UCF, UConn, ECU, Memphis, USF, Temple
West: Baylor, BYU*, ISU, KSU, Navy*, SMU

C-USA
North: Army*, Charlotte, JMU, Marshall, UMass*, ODU
South: App State, FAU, FIU, Georgia Southern, MTSU, WKU

Sun Belt
East: CCU, EKU, Georgia State, Liberty*, Troy
West: Ark State, ULL, ULM, South Alabama, Texas State
Non-FB: UALR, UTA

* = FB only

The MAC and MWC stay the same. Note that here, Cincinnati and Houston have been raptured into the P4. Of the Big 12 2.0 schools, only Baylor, ISU, and KSU were unable to find P4 homes.

I honestly would rather Arkansas State go independent before playing in a league that looks like that. That thing is horrendous looking.

Well, it's the same as the current Sun Belt except App State and Georgia Southern have moved up to C-USA and have been replaced by EKU and Liberty.

It's the Sun Belt without two of the three programs that can actually challenge us right now, and those programs were replaced with literal nothing.

We'd honestly do better independent than playing that crap on an everyday basis. We have a hard enough time getting the fan base to show up for a Georgia State or Texas State. Throwing in Liberty/EKU would just make it that much worse.

So if App State and GA Southern left for another league, would there be a more likely pair of teams that the Sun Belt would replace them with? I added EKU because they were being considered along with CCU, and I added Liberty as a FB-only member basically because they're already FBS and the Sun Belt needed a 10th FB team.

I do not think Chattanooga is too happy right now with the Southern Conference. Their football brand in that conference went down after both App. State and Georgia Southern left. They might be preparing to say yes the next time. Southern Conference have been eliminated early in the playoffs.
Missouri State might be starting to look around as well. MVC is not a good place right now. The size and population of the state? you got to wonder why there are not many D1 programs and FBS? SBC is stretching themselves apart. Texas State is out by themselves on an island and App. State in the northeast of the conference.

(12-11-2017 07:00 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(12-11-2017 05:55 AM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  

(12-11-2017 01:56 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  I don't know about the future. But if it comes to becoming expensive for all schools including P5 schools? Would they vote for a 5 year freeze of all rules about creating new conferences? I know that we could actually form a new non-football Horizon league Conference in the south plains.

Little Rock
UTA
Corpus Christie
New Orleans
Oral Roberts
UMKC
They could get the ball rolling.

Add:
Dallas Baptist
OKCU down the road.
Nueman Wichita
Colorado-Colorado Springs
Rogers State (Tulsa area)
Drury (Springfield, MO.)
UAFS Fort Smith
UMSL
Christian Brothers Memphis
Regis or Metro State from Denver could be in the running.

That way the basketball schools do not feel the pressure of adding football. Southland then could open their doors to schools like Tarleton State and others that wants to move up.

All those D2 schools above could be options for the new southern plains Horizon League Conference.

I think you posted in the wrong thread again.

Actually, some people posted about UTA and Little Rock who are part of the SBC to mixed in with the C-USA schools. If we created a conference for the non-football schools? We could open up spots for football schools from the FCS ranks to join like Missouri State and so forth. If you add Little Rock and UTA with the C-USA west schools? That would keep 2 football schools out of that mixed. It is something to think about creating new conferences for Geography reasons to cut costs. I might replace Little Rock with UCA in the mix.

It helps if you quote the post you're responding to. Otherwise it seems more like a complete non sequitur.

(12-08-2017 04:49 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  The easiest way is to add one team to each side of the conference (create 2 8-team divisions) and go to primarily divisional play for most sports. Football will have just 2 crossover games. Basketball will do a home and home within the division (14 games) plus 4 cross divisional games set to maximize TV value (thats one 2 game cross divisional road trip each year--not that bad). Non revenue sports just play in division and have the division winners meet in a CCG where needed. Meet style sports (like swimming) will just meet at a central school. You'd get most of the travle benefits of a conference split without much hassle. CUSA could do that for a few years and see how things shake out with the AAC and TV. If a split is indeed the way to go, you already have 2 full 8 team conferences ready to go.

I like this ^ suggestion…. C-USA has the power to add two more SBC schools and implement this suggestion. I wonder why it hasn’t happened….