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RE: Southern Illinois Coach: "We have to Expand"
(01-06-2018 06:30 PM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  
(01-06-2018 06:18 PM)solohawks Wrote:  
(01-06-2018 03:44 PM)MissouriStateBears Wrote:  
(01-06-2018 03:01 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  
(01-06-2018 02:28 PM)TOPSTRAIGHT Wrote:  The bigger question is-- Will the MVC expand THIS spring? They seem to be bogging down(again) over who #12 would be--not to mention Elgin dragging his feet.


I think they are stuck since there are no good teams that could help the RPI at the D1 level in their footprint. There are several down at D2 that could help.

No and quit posting.

(01-06-2018 03:27 PM)solohawks Wrote:  Would MVC consider Detroit to pair with #11 Murray St?

No
There aren't many other private schools out there that would maintain the public/private balance if Murray St is added. Belmont would another but they don't seem interested. Outside of those 2 I don't see another private school

Didn't the balance change, anyway, when public Wichita was replaced with private Valpo?
That evened it out. Currently 5 to 5
01-06-2018 07:55 PM
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RE: Southern Illinois Coach: "We have to Expand"
(01-06-2018 03:27 PM)solohawks Wrote:  Would MVC consider Detroit to pair with #11 Murray St?

If Detroit wasn't a garbage program it fits Elgins MO perfectly. They are private and would balance out the old private/public contingency. I mean, that's what is important right? Crappy programs in huge media markets?
01-06-2018 08:36 PM
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RE: Southern Illinois Coach: "We have to Expand"
(01-06-2018 04:48 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  
(01-06-2018 03:44 PM)MissouriStateBears Wrote:  
(01-06-2018 03:01 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  
(01-06-2018 02:28 PM)TOPSTRAIGHT Wrote:  The bigger question is-- Will the MVC expand THIS spring? They seem to be bogging down(again) over who #12 would be--not to mention Elgin dragging his feet.


I think they are stuck since there are no good teams that could help the RPI at the D1 level in their footprint. There are several down at D2 that could help.

No and quit posting.

(01-06-2018 03:27 PM)solohawks Wrote:  Would MVC consider Detroit to pair with #11 Murray St?

No


You guys added a lot of lousy schools lately.

Evansville
Loyola-Chicago

They both suck.

Evansville was added 24 years ago. Interesting definition of "lately".

Loyola won the CBI in 2015 and are 12-4 after beating Northern Iowa today. Interesting definition of "lousy".
01-07-2018 10:01 PM
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RE: Southern Illinois Coach: "We have to Expand"
(01-06-2018 03:44 PM)MissouriStateBears Wrote:  
(01-06-2018 03:01 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  
(01-06-2018 02:28 PM)TOPSTRAIGHT Wrote:  The bigger question is-- Will the MVC expand THIS spring? They seem to be bogging down(again) over who #12 would be--not to mention Elgin dragging his feet.


I think they are stuck since there are no good teams that could help the RPI at the D1 level in their footprint. There are several down at D2 that could help.

No and quit posting.

(01-06-2018 03:27 PM)solohawks Wrote:  Would MVC consider Detroit to pair with #11 Murray St?

No

Who do you think/heard Missouri St wants added? MOST President heads the expansion committee so it’ll be interesting if that balances out the sway Bradley appears to have.
01-08-2018 01:47 AM
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RE: Southern Illinois Coach: "We have to Expand"
(01-06-2018 08:36 PM)Shox Wrote:  
(01-06-2018 03:27 PM)solohawks Wrote:  Would MVC consider Detroit to pair with #11 Murray St?

If Detroit wasn't a garbage program it fits Elgins MO perfectly. They are private and would balance out the old private/public contingency. I mean, that's what is important right? Crappy programs in huge media markets?

If Detroit was any good, they'd be in the A10 by now. I agree they'd make sense in the Valley, too...I'm sure Detroit is screaming to get out this new Horizon, chalk full of satellite and system campuses.

Would Belmont pose too much of a travel issue? Didn't they turn down a Horizon bid, hinting they may have had something else lined up (which has yet to surface)?
01-08-2018 03:56 AM
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RE: Southern Illinois Coach: "We have to Expand"
(01-08-2018 01:47 AM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  
(01-06-2018 03:44 PM)MissouriStateBears Wrote:  
(01-06-2018 03:01 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  
(01-06-2018 02:28 PM)TOPSTRAIGHT Wrote:  The bigger question is-- Will the MVC expand THIS spring? They seem to be bogging down(again) over who #12 would be--not to mention Elgin dragging his feet.


I think they are stuck since there are no good teams that could help the RPI at the D1 level in their footprint. There are several down at D2 that could help.

No and quit posting.

(01-06-2018 03:27 PM)solohawks Wrote:  Would MVC consider Detroit to pair with #11 Murray St?

No

Who do you think/heard Missouri St wants added? MOST President heads the expansion committee so it’ll be interesting if that balances out the sway Bradley appears to have.

Murray State for #11 and no clear #12. Of course SLU is who Missouri State wants but that isn't happening.
01-08-2018 11:46 AM
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RE: Southern Illinois Coach: "We have to Expand"
The MVC has a higher conference RPI then the A10 so far
01-08-2018 12:42 PM
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RE: Southern Illinois Coach: "We have to Expand"
(01-08-2018 12:42 PM)solohawks Wrote:  The MVC has a higher conference RPI then the A10 so far

Which merely means they are both headed toward being single bid conferences.

The only thing that matters is having multiple schools in the top 50. The WCC has 3 and the AAC has 4, so I am predicting 2 WCC and 3 AAC bids. The MWC has a very highly rated school, and a bunch just beyond 50. If that school (Nevada) gets more than one round deep in the Conference Tournament but doesn't get the auto-bid, then that is probably your 4th non-major invite. On the flip side the P12 really has only 3 schools with the ranking, but they are a major so they will get 4. The MVC has good depth schools, but lacks that school rated high.

Getting caught up in which conference is 8th, 9th, 10th, 11th, etc overall is not very instructive. The reality is this:

Major six get 32 at-large (+/- 1)
Mid-Majors get 4 at-large (+/- 1)

6 Majors get auto-bids, 26 Mid-Majors get auto-bids

Typically 12-13 Majors get NIT, meaning 50-51 get a post season berth, and 24-25 stay home (most losing records). 19-20 NIT slots go to Mid-Majors, typically 6-9 will be reserved for Mid-Majors who win (or ted) for their regular season but not their tournament. The last 12-13 for Mid-Majors, like the passed over majors, who are typically in that 50-100 RPI range (So a couple A10, AAC, and MWC schools, plus an MVC, maybe WCC thrown in, and some other "snubs").

The reality is the NCAA controlling the NIT allows a safety valve for the 8-10 not quite NCAA at-large mid-majors. All this jockeying for next highest RPI is in reality more about getting another of the bakers dozen available NIT slots more than an NCAA slot.

Fair or not, you will see 9 ACC, 7 B12, and 7 Big East schools in the tourney, 20 at-large. The P12, B1G and SEC will split the other dozen at-large. Adding Wichita State probably assures the AAC 2 of the remaining 4 at-large for the next few years, while Gonzaga gives the WCC an almost lock on the 3rd one. Everyone else is chasing 1 at-large.
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RE: Southern Illinois Coach: "We have to Expand"
(01-08-2018 02:08 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  
(01-08-2018 12:42 PM)solohawks Wrote:  The MVC has a higher conference RPI then the A10 so far

Which merely means they are both headed toward being single bid conferences.

The only thing that matters is having multiple schools in the top 50. The WCC has 3 and the AAC has 4, so I am predicting 2 WCC and 3 AAC bids. The MWC has a very highly rated school, and a bunch just beyond 50. If that school (Nevada) gets more than one round deep in the Conference Tournament but doesn't get the auto-bid, then that is probably your 4th non-major invite. On the flip side the P12 really has only 3 schools with the ranking, but they are a major so they will get 4. The MVC has good depth schools, but lacks that school rated high.

Getting caught up in which conference is 8th, 9th, 10th, 11th, etc overall is not very instructive. The reality is this:

Major six get 32 at-large (+/- 1)
Mid-Majors get 4 at-large (+/- 1)

6 Majors get auto-bids, 26 Mid-Majors get auto-bids

Typically 12-13 Majors get NIT, meaning 50-51 get a post season berth, and 24-25 stay home (most losing records). 19-20 NIT slots go to Mid-Majors, typically 6-9 will be reserved for Mid-Majors who win (or ted) for their regular season but not their tournament. The last 12-13 for Mid-Majors, like the passed over majors, who are typically in that 50-100 RPI range (So a couple A10, AAC, and MWC schools, plus an MVC, maybe WCC thrown in, and some other "snubs").

The reality is the NCAA controlling the NIT allows a safety valve for the 8-10 not quite NCAA at-large mid-majors. All this jockeying for next highest RPI is in reality more about getting another of the bakers dozen available NIT slots more than an NCAA slot.

Fair or not, you will see 9 ACC, 7 B12, and 7 Big East schools in the tourney, 20 at-large. The P12, B1G and SEC will split the other dozen at-large. Adding Wichita State probably assures the AAC 2 of the remaining 4 at-large for the next few years, while Gonzaga gives the WCC an almost lock on the 3rd one. Everyone else is chasing 1 at-large.

The Big East will be lucky to get 5 in this year. Xavier, Villanova, and Butler are their only locks.
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