(12-07-2017 03:46 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  

(12-07-2017 03:37 PM)YNot Wrote:  

(12-07-2017 03:26 PM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  

(12-07-2017 12:06 PM)YNot Wrote:  Big 12 should take another crack at Arizona and Missouri and may be an out of the box candidate, like Kentucky or Vanderbilt. Great basketball in the Big 12 and may be an also-ran from the PAC or SEC would see an easier path to bowl eligibility through the Big 12. Kentucky or Vanderbilt would make an excellent travel partner for WVU.

I don't think so. Mizzou already cured itself of Bevo Disease. Arizona? Really?

Arizona has complained about late-night kickoffs and tipoffs and the underwhelming returns from the PAC 12 networks.

https://www.inquisitr.com/3122934/big-12...y-targets/

https://www.azdesertswarm.com/2016/1/27/...54/article

Yeah, and maybe the Pac will take them back when the Big 12 collapses in a few years.

Took the words Right out of my mouth. Big XII is a gamble on their best day. They might end up in the MWC.

Unfortunately for us supporters of G5 schools, the Big 12 has zero motivation to expand any time before 2025.

(12-07-2017 04:13 PM)esayem Wrote:  Nothing in the last year has changed the order of schools they prefer; BYU and Cincinnati are still at the top.

Wait a few more years and Liberty will be up there to travel partner with WVU.

(12-07-2017 01:17 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  

(12-07-2017 12:04 PM)Gamecock Wrote:  I agree, but I don't think the powers that be have that sort of vision.

The four additions you mentioned would get blasted in the short term, but in 3 years no one would really remember that they were ever in the American and people would consider them "power 5 schools" much like no one thinks about Rutgers, Utah, TCU, or Louisville being "non-BCS teams". Would strengthen the conference and expand the footprint into large markets.

Then again, this is all assuming the powers that be actually are concerned about the conference in the first place, which I'm not convinced they are.

Rutgers was always a BCS team, no?

My mistake, for some reason I completely forgot they were in the old Big East. Just goes to show you most people don't follow these things that closely, even someone who's been posting here for years can get mixed up

(12-07-2017 12:19 PM)Bogg Wrote:  

(12-07-2017 12:10 PM)Chappy Wrote:  Didn't they just get paid not to expand? Can't expand if the TV partners don't you to, unless you want to slice the pie up 2 to 4 more ways.

Barely. They functionally surrendered their ESPN pro-rata clause for nothing. Big 12's not expanding during the remaining life of their media deal. That's dead and gone.

It is cheaper for ESPN to give up a Dozen AAC football games and a few BB. for AAC to add to the 8 BB games CBS already buys as a small tier 2 package. and then spend 24 to 30 mil more on conf, so AAC can come in at 5+ mil per school then pay 50 mil extra for 2 adds to B12.

Wouldn't it solve everyone's problems if WVU went to the ACC or B1G?

(12-07-2017 01:35 PM)YNot Wrote:  

(12-07-2017 12:50 PM)Metropolis777 Wrote:  

(12-07-2017 12:26 PM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  This might be the best season the Big XII might win a NC and the solution is expanding with a bunch of G5 school? Why?

The impetus would be to have 2 NY6 teams.

TCU's loss cost the Big 12 having 2 team in the NY6. Had the Big 12 been 12 teams with north/south split, OU would have beaten someone like ISU or Memphis in the Big 12 title game (avenging their only loss or bolstering their resume with another top 25 win against a different school) and TCU would have gone to a NY6. Instead, the guaranteed rematch cost the Big 12 a NY6 bowl - which is likely to happen every year the Big 12 title game loser ends up with 3 losses.

This is a good answer. For sake of argument, let's say the 2017 B12 had UCF, USF, Memphis, and Cincinnati and splits into North and South divisions. The conference probably has Oklahoma in the CFP and one of TCU or UCF in the NY6 - may be even both, depending on the cross-division games. Something like this:

NORTH:
#3 Oklahoma (8-1, 12-1) Champion, CFP Bound
#10 TCU (7-2, 10-2) NY6 Bound
#13 Oklahoma St. (7-2, 10-2)
#22 Memphis (6-3, 9-3)
Kansas St. (5-4, 5-4, 7-5)
Iowa St. (5-4, 7-5)
Kansas (0-9, 1-11)

SOUTH:
#12 UCF (8-1, 10-2)CCG loser
USF (6-3, 8-3)
WVU (5-4, 7-5)
Texas (5-4, 6-6)
Texas Tech (3-6, 6-6)
Cincinnati (2-7, 4-8)
Baylor (1-8, 1-11)

Five ranked teams and two bound for NY6 bowl games. I'm thinking TCU gets Penn St. in the Cotton Bowl and they move the Ohio St.-USC matchup to the Fiesta Bowl. The PAC only gets one NY6 team and Boise St. gets the G5's Peach bowl bid.

Oklahoma St. gets the Alamo Bowl v. Stanford and UCF gets the Camping World Bowl against Virginia Tech. With expansion, the B12 would likely add a couple more eastern or southern bowl games, such as the Military Bowl and Independence Bowls. Could be USF v. Virginia in the Military and Iowa St.-Florida St. in Shreveport.

Tough to say what the actual win/loss records would be. You have to add as many losses as wins when factoring in the additional conference games. In your standings the combined conference record of all the teams is 68-58. Depending on which teams get those extra losses you might lose a ranked team or two, might still only have OU in a NY6 bowl, and/or have fewer bowl eligible teams.

(12-08-2017 11:56 AM)Phlipper33 Wrote:  

(12-07-2017 01:35 PM)YNot Wrote:  

(12-07-2017 12:50 PM)Metropolis777 Wrote:  

(12-07-2017 12:26 PM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  This might be the best season the Big XII might win a NC and the solution is expanding with a bunch of G5 school? Why?

The impetus would be to have 2 NY6 teams.

TCU's loss cost the Big 12 having 2 team in the NY6. Had the Big 12 been 12 teams with north/south split, OU would have beaten someone like ISU or Memphis in the Big 12 title game (avenging their only loss or bolstering their resume with another top 25 win against a different school) and TCU would have gone to a NY6. Instead, the guaranteed rematch cost the Big 12 a NY6 bowl - which is likely to happen every year the Big 12 title game loser ends up with 3 losses.

This is a good answer. For sake of argument, let's say the 2017 B12 had UCF, USF, Memphis, and Cincinnati and splits into North and South divisions. The conference probably has Oklahoma in the CFP and one of TCU or UCF in the NY6 - may be even both, depending on the cross-division games. Something like this:

NORTH:
#3 Oklahoma (8-1, 12-1) Champion, CFP Bound
#10 TCU (7-2, 10-2) NY6 Bound
#13 Oklahoma St. (7-2, 10-2)
#22 Memphis (6-3, 9-3)
Kansas St. (5-4, 5-4, 7-5)
Iowa St. (5-4, 7-5)
Kansas (0-9, 1-11)

SOUTH:
#12 UCF (8-1, 10-2)CCG loser
USF (6-3, 8-3)
WVU (5-4, 7-5)
Texas (5-4, 6-6)
Texas Tech (3-6, 6-6)
Cincinnati (2-7, 4-8)
Baylor (1-8, 1-11)

Five ranked teams and two bound for NY6 bowl games. I'm thinking TCU gets Penn St. in the Cotton Bowl and they move the Ohio St.-USC matchup to the Fiesta Bowl. The PAC only gets one NY6 team and Boise St. gets the G5's Peach bowl bid.

Oklahoma St. gets the Alamo Bowl v. Stanford and UCF gets the Camping World Bowl against Virginia Tech. With expansion, the B12 would likely add a couple more eastern or southern bowl games, such as the Military Bowl and Independence Bowls. Could be USF v. Virginia in the Military and Iowa St.-Florida St. in Shreveport.

Tough to say what the actual win/loss records would be. You have to add as many losses as wins when factoring in the additional conference games. In your standings the combined conference record of all the teams is 68-58. Depending on which teams get those extra losses you might lose a ranked team or two, might still only have OU in a NY6 bowl, and/or have fewer bowl eligible teams.

Being the Devils advocate; if USF had been in the Big 12 this year, they'd be ranked. Just as UCF and Memphis would be higher ranking.

Bowlsby working-up an innovative and realistic expansion plan, and selling it to the B12 factions and their Presidents is not happening. No Mike Slive or Jim Delany operating there.

(12-08-2017 11:56 AM)Phlipper33 Wrote:  

(12-07-2017 01:35 PM)YNot Wrote:  

(12-07-2017 12:50 PM)Metropolis777 Wrote:  

(12-07-2017 12:26 PM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  This might be the best season the Big XII might win a NC and the solution is expanding with a bunch of G5 school? Why?

The impetus would be to have 2 NY6 teams.

TCU's loss cost the Big 12 having 2 team in the NY6. Had the Big 12 been 12 teams with north/south split, OU would have beaten someone like ISU or Memphis in the Big 12 title game (avenging their only loss or bolstering their resume with another top 25 win against a different school) and TCU would have gone to a NY6. Instead, the guaranteed rematch cost the Big 12 a NY6 bowl - which is likely to happen every year the Big 12 title game loser ends up with 3 losses.

This is a good answer. For sake of argument, let's say the 2017 B12 had UCF, USF, Memphis, and Cincinnati and splits into North and South divisions. The conference probably has Oklahoma in the CFP and one of TCU or UCF in the NY6 - may be even both, depending on the cross-division games. Something like this:

NORTH:
#3 Oklahoma (8-1, 12-1) Champion, CFP Bound
#10 TCU (7-2, 10-2) NY6 Bound
#13 Oklahoma St. (7-2, 10-2)
#22 Memphis (6-3, 9-3)
Kansas St. (5-4, 5-4, 7-5)
Iowa St. (5-4, 7-5)
Kansas (0-9, 1-11)

SOUTH:
#12 UCF (8-1, 10-2)CCG loser
USF (6-3, 8-3)
WVU (5-4, 7-5)
Texas (5-4, 6-6)
Texas Tech (3-6, 6-6)
Cincinnati (2-7, 4-8)
Baylor (1-8, 1-11)

Five ranked teams and two bound for NY6 bowl games. I'm thinking TCU gets Penn St. in the Cotton Bowl and they move the Ohio St.-USC matchup to the Fiesta Bowl. The PAC only gets one NY6 team and Boise St. gets the G5's Peach bowl bid.

Oklahoma St. gets the Alamo Bowl v. Stanford and UCF gets the Camping World Bowl against Virginia Tech. With expansion, the B12 would likely add a couple more eastern or southern bowl games, such as the Military Bowl and Independence Bowls. Could be USF v. Virginia in the Military and Iowa St.-Florida St. in Shreveport.

Tough to say what the actual win/loss records would be. You have to add as many losses as wins when factoring in the additional conference games. In your standings the combined conference record of all the teams is 68-58. Depending on which teams get those extra losses you might lose a ranked team or two, might still only have OU in a NY6 bowl, and/or have fewer bowl eligible teams.

Good catch. It would obviously be affected by the cross-division matchups. But for argument's sake, I'd change Kansas St., WVU and Iowa St. to 4-5 records, Cincinnati to 1-8, and Baylor to 0-9.

NORTH:
#3 Oklahoma (8-1, 12-1) Champion, CFP Bound
#10 TCU (7-2, 10-2) NY6 Bound
#13 Oklahoma St. (7-2, 10-2)
#18 Memphis (6-3, 9-3)
Kansas St. (4-5, 6-6)
Iowa St. (4-5, 6-6)
Kansas (0-9, 1-11)

SOUTH:
#12 UCF (8-1, 10-2)CCG loser
#23 USF (6-3, 8-3)
Texas (5-4, 6-6)
WVU (4-5, 6-6)
Texas Tech (3-6, 6-6)
Cincinnati (1-8, 3-9)
Baylor (0-9, 1-11)

And, I agree that USF is likely ranked with the B12 brand beside their name and Memphis makes the top-20. Regardless, one of Memphis or USF would be ranked and that's at least five teams in the rankings.

The Big 12 messed up badly. West Virginia should have never been invited.

Instead, they should have added Louisville, Memphis, and Cincinnati when it had the chance.

(12-08-2017 09:14 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  

(12-07-2017 12:19 PM)Bogg Wrote:  

(12-07-2017 12:10 PM)Chappy Wrote:  Didn't they just get paid not to expand? Can't expand if the TV partners don't you to, unless you want to slice the pie up 2 to 4 more ways.

Barely. They functionally surrendered their ESPN pro-rata clause for nothing. Big 12's not expanding during the remaining life of their media deal. That's dead and gone.

It is cheaper for ESPN to give up a Dozen AAC football games and a few BB. for AAC to add to the 8 BB games CBS already buys as a small tier 2 package. and then spend 24 to 30 mil more on conf, so AAC can come in at 5+ mil per school then pay 50 mil extra for 2 adds to B12.

Well obviously it's cheaper to pay schools less than it is to pay them more. It'll also be cheaper to get the ACC and SEC to add 2-3 Big 12 properties at market rate and pay the bottom half of the Big 12 AAC money than it'll be to re-up the conference as a whole.