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(12-07-2017 03:12 PM)goldeneagle21 Wrote:  
(12-07-2017 12:37 PM)PaulDel2 Wrote:  These threads always amuse me. The P5 have and will always decide who gets what. Nothing Aresco says or does will change that. There is not, and will not be, a P6. If anything there will be a P4 and the AAC won't be one of them.

I agree that there will not be a P6. Truly what Aresco is doing is admirable but even he knows the end game. He just might be able to help get two or three more AAC teams in the P5 but then the party is over and the division is officially set. If I am in the AAC I keep pushing the narrative until the fire is out. There will be litigation by the little guys but nothing will come of it other than some concessions..maybe even a P5 game every other year for each team or something like that...reminds me of the movie Elysium..we are all a bunch of Matt Damon's trying to make it there but there is no happy ending in this reality.

Bitter Southern Miss fans. Your school got left behind by so many of your former peers. The schools said no thanks to Southern Miss. YOu have no idea what you are talking about and it is entirely possible that the AAC leaves the rest behind in short order. Southern Miss is finished in relevance. ENjoy eating our dust fan boys.
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(12-07-2017 04:46 PM)baruna falls Wrote:  
(12-07-2017 03:12 PM)goldeneagle21 Wrote:  
(12-07-2017 12:37 PM)PaulDel2 Wrote:  These threads always amuse me. The P5 have and will always decide who gets what. Nothing Aresco says or does will change that. There is not, and will not be, a P6. If anything there will be a P4 and the AAC won't be one of them.

I agree that there will not be a P6. Truly what Aresco is doing is admirable but even he knows the end game. He just might be able to help get two or three more AAC teams in the P5 but then the party is over and the division is officially set. If I am in the AAC I keep pushing the narrative until the fire is out. There will be litigation by the little guys but nothing will come of it other than some concessions..maybe even a P5 game every other year for each team or something like that...reminds me of the movie Elysium..we are all a bunch of Matt Damon's trying to make it there but there is no happy ending in this reality.

Bitter Southern Miss fans. Your school got left behind by so many of your former peers. The schools said no thanks to Southern Miss. YOu have no idea what you are talking about and it is entirely possible that the AAC leaves the rest behind in short order. Southern Miss is finished in relevance. ENjoy eating our dust fan boys.

Oh please. UCF and maybe one or two others have a shot at a move up but it is slim to none. ECU is such a horrible mess of a program.
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I guess G4 fans are just as smart as their ADs - or however that would work looking in the opposite direction.

"I don't think the American is any closer to being the sixth league than the Mountain West is," Wyoming athletic director Tom Burman said.

2017, AAC is #6 and closer to #5 than to #8-10. The gap between #6 and #7 is 96% of the gap between #5 and #6. At #6 AAC is as close to #1 as to #9-10.
2016, AAC was #6 and closer to #5 than to #8-10. The gap between #6 and #7 was about 60% of the gap between #5 and #6.
2015, AAC was #6 and closer to #5 than to #7-10.
2014, AAC was #8, but was closer to #6 than any G4 has been to AAC at #6 in the four of five years AAC was #6.
2013, AAC was #6.

2 out of 4 CFP NY6 bowls, and the other two were split rather than being any one G4 conference keeping pace.

Viewership shows the same thing - closer to the 5 than to the G4.
Attendance we can't say closer to the P5 but we are head and shoulders above the G4.

Data shows that AAC IS above the G4. mwc can claim to be keeping us barely in sight but we are definitively closer to the top 5 than to the bottom 3.
It isn't cyclical - it's year after year. If anything AAC trends upward, increasing the gap.

Strategic success - being on the inside looking out in 2025 - doesn't require that we suddenly leap to the top. We just have to keep pace with the P5 and separate from the G4. So far that is exactly what is happening.

P6
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Judge I submit key evidence.

AAC championship attendance - sellout 45k

FAU G4 championship attendance - 14k announced

Over 2 million watched the AAC championship while 10 people watched the g4 games. Discovered 7 out 10 people watching the g4 games fell asleep.
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LOL... G4 AD's are crying like little beaches b/c with out the AAC they're simply stuck in mud with nothing to look forward to.

Keep up the good P6 work Mike Aresco
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(12-07-2017 04:30 PM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  I really think most of the g4 need to go fcs. They get a playoff and hang out with schools with similar budgets. There are maybe 5 to 6 teams in all of g4 that deserve to hang at the highest level.

It looks like some g4 AD's want a lower level playoffs anyway.

100% agree

I created a computer program tonight and it concludes that 98.4% of the G4 teams would be better off in the FCs and the model actually projects that most of them will be there by 2024.
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(12-07-2017 11:35 AM)SteveUCF19 Wrote:  I think Wyoming and NIU need to find more ambitious ADs. These two are pathetic. They've accepted their ****** destiny without a fight. They probably sleep on the couch when their wives boyfriends come over.

This. All kidding aside, if the UC AD came out and said this there would be hell to pay. If they want to lie down and roll over, let them. It is pathetic. At least we are all fighting for something.
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(12-07-2017 06:07 PM)goldeneagle21 Wrote:  
(12-07-2017 04:46 PM)baruna falls Wrote:  
(12-07-2017 03:12 PM)goldeneagle21 Wrote:  
(12-07-2017 12:37 PM)PaulDel2 Wrote:  These threads always amuse me. The P5 have and will always decide who gets what. Nothing Aresco says or does will change that. There is not, and will not be, a P6. If anything there will be a P4 and the AAC won't be one of them.

I agree that there will not be a P6. Truly what Aresco is doing is admirable but even he knows the end game. He just might be able to help get two or three more AAC teams in the P5 but then the party is over and the division is officially set. If I am in the AAC I keep pushing the narrative until the fire is out. There will be litigation by the little guys but nothing will come of it other than some concessions..maybe even a P5 game every other year for each team or something like that...reminds me of the movie Elysium..we are all a bunch of Matt Damon's trying to make it there but there is no happy ending in this reality.

Bitter Southern Miss fans. Your school got left behind by so many of your former peers. The schools said no thanks to Southern Miss. YOu have no idea what you are talking about and it is entirely possible that the AAC leaves the rest behind in short order. Southern Miss is finished in relevance. ENjoy eating our dust fan boys.

Oh please. UCF and maybe one or two others have a shot at a move up but it is slim to none. ECU is such a horrible mess of a program.

Yes but we are a horrible mess in the AAC that's fighting a pretty damn effective fight to be relevant. You are stuck in G4 Purgatory. Forever.



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(12-07-2017 07:27 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  I guess G4 fans are just as smart as their ADs - or however that would work looking in the opposite direction.

"I don't think the American is any closer to being the sixth league than the Mountain West is," Wyoming athletic director Tom Burman said.

2017, AAC is #6 and closer to #5 than to #8-10. The gap between #6 and #7 is 96% of the gap between #5 and #6. At #6 AAC is as close to #1 as to #9-10.
2016, AAC was #6 and closer to #5 than to #8-10. The gap between #6 and #7 was about 60% of the gap between #5 and #6.
2015, AAC was #6 and closer to #5 than to #7-10.
2014, AAC was #8, but was closer to #6 than any G4 has been to AAC at #6 in the four of five years AAC was #6.
2013, AAC was #6.

2 out of 4 CFP NY6 bowls, and the other two were split rather than being any one G4 conference keeping pace.

Viewership shows the same thing - closer to the 5 than to the G4.
Attendance we can't say closer to the P5 but we are head and shoulders above the G4.

Data shows that AAC IS above the G4. mwc can claim to be keeping us barely in sight but we are definitively closer to the top 5 than to the bottom 3.
It isn't cyclical - it's year after year. If anything AAC trends upward, increasing the gap.

Strategic success - being on the inside looking out in 2025 - doesn't require that we suddenly leap to the top. We just have to keep pace with the P5 and separate from the G4. So far that is exactly what is happening.

P6

3 out of 5 if you include the 2013 BCS bowl by UCF (which would have went to the AAC anyway, if instead of using the old system in 2013, they used the current system).
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(12-07-2017 10:30 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  
(12-07-2017 07:27 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  I guess G4 fans are just as smart as their ADs - or however that would work looking in the opposite direction.

"I don't think the American is any closer to being the sixth league than the Mountain West is," Wyoming athletic director Tom Burman said.

2017, AAC is #6 and closer to #5 than to #8-10. The gap between #6 and #7 is 96% of the gap between #5 and #6. At #6 AAC is as close to #1 as to #9-10.
2016, AAC was #6 and closer to #5 than to #8-10. The gap between #6 and #7 was about 60% of the gap between #5 and #6.
2015, AAC was #6 and closer to #5 than to #7-10.
2014, AAC was #8, but was closer to #6 than any G4 has been to AAC at #6 in the four of five years AAC was #6.
2013, AAC was #6.

2 out of 4 CFP NY6 bowls, and the other two were split rather than being any one G4 conference keeping pace.

Viewership shows the same thing - closer to the 5 than to the G4.
Attendance we can't say closer to the P5 but we are head and shoulders above the G4.

Data shows that AAC IS above the G4. mwc can claim to be keeping us barely in sight but we are definitively closer to the top 5 than to the bottom 3.
It isn't cyclical - it's year after year. If anything AAC trends upward, increasing the gap.

Strategic success - being on the inside looking out in 2025 - doesn't require that we suddenly leap to the top. We just have to keep pace with the P5 and separate from the G4. So far that is exactly what is happening.

P6

3 out of 5 if you include the 2013 BCS bowl by UCF (which would have went to the AAC anyway, if instead of using the old system in 2013, they used the current system).

No argument.
I was going to add another sentence, but figured that would just give G4 fans an excuse to ignore all that data and focus on "but 2013 wasn't a CFP access bowl!!1!"
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(12-07-2017 10:44 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  
(12-07-2017 10:30 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  
(12-07-2017 07:27 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  I guess G4 fans are just as smart as their ADs - or however that would work looking in the opposite direction.

"I don't think the American is any closer to being the sixth league than the Mountain West is," Wyoming athletic director Tom Burman said.

2017, AAC is #6 and closer to #5 than to #8-10. The gap between #6 and #7 is 96% of the gap between #5 and #6. At #6 AAC is as close to #1 as to #9-10.
2016, AAC was #6 and closer to #5 than to #8-10. The gap between #6 and #7 was about 60% of the gap between #5 and #6.
2015, AAC was #6 and closer to #5 than to #7-10.
2014, AAC was #8, but was closer to #6 than any G4 has been to AAC at #6 in the four of five years AAC was #6.
2013, AAC was #6.

2 out of 4 CFP NY6 bowls, and the other two were split rather than being any one G4 conference keeping pace.

Viewership shows the same thing - closer to the 5 than to the G4.
Attendance we can't say closer to the P5 but we are head and shoulders above the G4.

Data shows that AAC IS above the G4. mwc can claim to be keeping us barely in sight but we are definitively closer to the top 5 than to the bottom 3.
It isn't cyclical - it's year after year. If anything AAC trends upward, increasing the gap.

Strategic success - being on the inside looking out in 2025 - doesn't require that we suddenly leap to the top. We just have to keep pace with the P5 and separate from the G4. So far that is exactly what is happening.

P6

3 out of 5 if you include the 2013 BCS bowl by UCF (which would have went to the AAC anyway, if instead of using the old system in 2013, they used the current system).

No argument.
I was going to add another sentence, but figured that would just give G4 fans an excuse to ignore all that data and focus on "but 2013 wasn't a CFP access bowl!!1!"

BCS was a much better model for G5 teams IMO. BSU got 2 Fiesta bowls in that setup.
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Apologies on behalf of NIU’s AD. If it were up to us fans, he’d have a gag order.
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(12-07-2017 10:51 PM)EDLUVAR Wrote:  
(12-07-2017 10:44 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  
(12-07-2017 10:30 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  
(12-07-2017 07:27 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  I guess G4 fans are just as smart as their ADs - or however that would work looking in the opposite direction.

"I don't think the American is any closer to being the sixth league than the Mountain West is," Wyoming athletic director Tom Burman said.

2017, AAC is #6 and closer to #5 than to #8-10. The gap between #6 and #7 is 96% of the gap between #5 and #6. At #6 AAC is as close to #1 as to #9-10.
2016, AAC was #6 and closer to #5 than to #8-10. The gap between #6 and #7 was about 60% of the gap between #5 and #6.
2015, AAC was #6 and closer to #5 than to #7-10.
2014, AAC was #8, but was closer to #6 than any G4 has been to AAC at #6 in the four of five years AAC was #6.
2013, AAC was #6.

2 out of 4 CFP NY6 bowls, and the other two were split rather than being any one G4 conference keeping pace.

Viewership shows the same thing - closer to the 5 than to the G4.
Attendance we can't say closer to the P5 but we are head and shoulders above the G4.

Data shows that AAC IS above the G4. mwc can claim to be keeping us barely in sight but we are definitively closer to the top 5 than to the bottom 3.
It isn't cyclical - it's year after year. If anything AAC trends upward, increasing the gap.

Strategic success - being on the inside looking out in 2025 - doesn't require that we suddenly leap to the top. We just have to keep pace with the P5 and separate from the G4. So far that is exactly what is happening.

P6

3 out of 5 if you include the 2013 BCS bowl by UCF (which would have went to the AAC anyway, if instead of using the old system in 2013, they used the current system).

No argument.
I was going to add another sentence, but figured that would just give G4 fans an excuse to ignore all that data and focus on "but 2013 wasn't a CFP access bowl!!1!"

BCS was a much better model for G5 teams IMO. BSU got 2 Fiesta bowls in that setup.

That's probably partly why they went to a "playoff."
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Had Brotzman not missed 2 chip shot field goals against Nevada BSU was sitting at 2nd in the polls. CFP is a joke for non P5 teams.
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