I'd expect not liking bowls to be a widespread player sentiment throughout college football. Except for the playoff and Access Bowl teams, but even then I'd expect them to not totally love it. It amazes me when high level athletes manage to keep liking their sport with all they go through. I don't blame anyone if they're flat out tired and need a break after pushing themselves though the season. They're spent, they should be spent.

Bowls are fun from a fan side, but for a player, when its bowl time there's no hiding from what sucks about college sports. You go through a long season, beating the crap out of yourself and you're spent physically and mentally, then you get finals, then you're supposed to crank back up to play again for the benefit of some sponsor who's using you to put their name on TV for 4 hours, some TV executives using you to fill a programming hole, and some local host-city business types lining their pockets. In return you get...a bag of free stuff and your Christmas wrecked.

It becomes one of those things you do because you're supposed to, a good chunk of you wants to, but your mind and body are also so fatigued that your behavior overrides even what you say you want. This is how motivated, passionate people get burned the hell out by their jobs. And make no mistake what about what being a college athlete is.

(12-08-2017 03:46 PM)DogTracks Wrote:  I'd expect not liking bowls to be a widespread player sentiment throughout college football. Except for the playoff and Access Bowl teams, but even then I'd expect them to not totally love it. It amazes me when high level athletes manage to keep liking their sport with all they go through. I don't blame anyone if they're flat out tired and need a break after pushing themselves though the season. They're spent, they should be spent.

Bowls are fun from a fan side, but for a player, when its bowl time there's no hiding from what sucks about college sports. You go through a long season, beating the crap out of yourself and you're spent physically and mentally, then you get finals, then you're supposed to crank back up to play again for the benefit of some sponsor who's using you to put their name on TV for 4 hours, some TV executives using you to fill a programming hole, and some local host-city business types lining their pockets. In return you get...a bag of free stuff and your Christmas wrecked.

It becomes one of those things you do because you're supposed to, a good chunk of you wants to, but your mind and body are also so fatigued that your behavior overrides even what you say you want. This is how motivated, passionate people get burned the hell out by their jobs. And make no mistake what about what being a college athlete is.

I can see the point especially now when you just have to go .500 to get into a bowl game, so some players are going every year. Although I think this is the first year that the bowl game would have made them miss Christmas isn't it?

(12-08-2017 03:46 PM)DogTracks Wrote:  I'd expect not liking bowls to be a widespread player sentiment throughout college football. Except for the playoff and Access Bowl teams, but even then I'd expect them to not totally love it. It amazes me when high level athletes manage to keep liking their sport with all they go through. I don't blame anyone if they're flat out tired and need a break after pushing themselves though the season. They're spent, they should be spent.

Bowls are fun from a fan side, but for a player, when its bowl time there's no hiding from what sucks about college sports. You go through a long season, beating the crap out of yourself and you're spent physically and mentally, then you get finals, then you're supposed to crank back up to play again for the benefit of some sponsor who's using you to put their name on TV for 4 hours, some TV executives using you to fill a programming hole, and some local host-city business types lining their pockets. In return you get...a bag of free stuff and your Christmas wrecked.

It becomes one of those things you do because you're supposed to, a good chunk of you wants to, but your mind and body are also so fatigued that your behavior overrides even what you say you want. This is how motivated, passionate people get burned the hell out by their jobs. And make no mistake what about what being a college athlete is.

I tried to get this sentiment across for the past 3 years but was attacked because "I did not play football and did not know what it was like to be in competition". I guess that's out the window.

A part of me feels like this situation could be kind of like a labor vs management issue even though it is not true professional labor. Maybe the weeknight schedule and highly irregular schedule of the regular season is finally catching up with the players and they are fighting back. The whole culture needs to be looked at, not one coach, not one group of players, EVERYTHING. All the way from the AD himself to Joe Public fan, what is going on right now is not working.

We don't really need two threads on this topic.

(12-08-2017 03:46 PM)DogTracks Wrote:  I'd expect not liking bowls to be a widespread player sentiment throughout college football. Except for the playoff and Access Bowl teams, but even then I'd expect them to not totally love it. It amazes me when high level athletes manage to keep liking their sport with all they go through. I don't blame anyone if they're flat out tired and need a break after pushing themselves though the season. They're spent, they should be spent.

Bowls are fun from a fan side, but for a player, when its bowl time there's no hiding from what sucks about college sports. You go through a long season, beating the crap out of yourself and you're spent physically and mentally, then you get finals, then you're supposed to crank back up to play again for the benefit of some sponsor who's using you to put their name on TV for 4 hours, some TV executives using you to fill a programming hole, and some local host-city business types lining their pockets. In return you get...a bag of free stuff and your Christmas wrecked.

It becomes one of those things you do because you're supposed to, a good chunk of you wants to, but your mind and body are also so fatigued that your behavior overrides even what you say you want. This is how motivated, passionate people get burned the hell out by their jobs. And make no mistake what about what being a college athlete is.

While I agree with you, why did everyone beat up on MD when he mentioned the same thing beginning a while back? Everyone said that the players are excited and that playing in a bowl is a reward for them playing hard and ending the season with a good record. Now we see that the players are tired, don't want to attend bowl games especially in cold climates like Detroit, and would rather go someplace warm with a beach. Excuse me, but aren't they going there to play a football game? If you look at the results of our recent bowl games, you will know the answer to that question.

(12-08-2017 03:53 PM)Dog Fan Wrote:  

(12-08-2017 03:46 PM)DogTracks Wrote:  I'd expect not liking bowls to be a widespread player sentiment throughout college football. Except for the playoff and Access Bowl teams, but even then I'd expect them to not totally love it. It amazes me when high level athletes manage to keep liking their sport with all they go through. I don't blame anyone if they're flat out tired and need a break after pushing themselves though the season. They're spent, they should be spent.

Bowls are fun from a fan side, but for a player, when its bowl time there's no hiding from what sucks about college sports. You go through a long season, beating the crap out of yourself and you're spent physically and mentally, then you get finals, then you're supposed to crank back up to play again for the benefit of some sponsor who's using you to put their name on TV for 4 hours, some TV executives using you to fill a programming hole, and some local host-city business types lining their pockets. In return you get...a bag of free stuff and your Christmas wrecked.

It becomes one of those things you do because you're supposed to, a good chunk of you wants to, but your mind and body are also so fatigued that your behavior overrides even what you say you want. This is how motivated, passionate people get burned the hell out by their jobs. And make no mistake what about what being a college athlete is.

While I agree with you, why did everyone beat up on MD when he mentioned the same thing beginning a while back? Everyone said that the players are excited and that playing in a bowl is a reward for them playing hard and ending the season with a good record. Now we see that the players are tired, don't want to attend bowl games especially in cold climates like Detroit, and would rather go someplace warm with a beach. Excuse me, but aren't they going there to play a football game? If you look at the results of our recent bowl games, you will know the answer to that question.

That's the biggest reason to believe all of this, the poor bowl record - although those other bowls were ALL in warm locations, except for the Humanitarian bowl.

(12-08-2017 03:57 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(12-08-2017 03:53 PM)Dog Fan Wrote:  

(12-08-2017 03:46 PM)DogTracks Wrote:  I'd expect not liking bowls to be a widespread player sentiment throughout college football. Except for the playoff and Access Bowl teams, but even then I'd expect them to not totally love it. It amazes me when high level athletes manage to keep liking their sport with all they go through. I don't blame anyone if they're flat out tired and need a break after pushing themselves though the season. They're spent, they should be spent.

Bowls are fun from a fan side, but for a player, when its bowl time there's no hiding from what sucks about college sports. You go through a long season, beating the crap out of yourself and you're spent physically and mentally, then you get finals, then you're supposed to crank back up to play again for the benefit of some sponsor who's using you to put their name on TV for 4 hours, some TV executives using you to fill a programming hole, and some local host-city business types lining their pockets. In return you get...a bag of free stuff and your Christmas wrecked.

It becomes one of those things you do because you're supposed to, a good chunk of you wants to, but your mind and body are also so fatigued that your behavior overrides even what you say you want. This is how motivated, passionate people get burned the hell out by their jobs. And make no mistake what about what being a college athlete is.

While I agree with you, why did everyone beat up on MD when he mentioned the same thing beginning a while back? Everyone said that the players are excited and that playing in a bowl is a reward for them playing hard and ending the season with a good record. Now we see that the players are tired, don't want to attend bowl games especially in cold climates like Detroit, and would rather go someplace warm with a beach. Excuse me, but aren't they going there to play a football game? If you look at the results of our recent bowl games, you will know the answer to that question.

That's the biggest reason to believe all of this, the poor bowl record - although those other bowls were ALL in warm locations, except for the Humanitarian bowl.

That's the huge problem here, the context. The quitting this end of season is part of a larger theme we have seen in recent years.

there simply is no quitting with NIU football. period.

(12-08-2017 04:06 PM)nucyberdawg Wrote:  there simply is no quitting with NIU football. period.

Sounds like a good halftime speech. Are you for hire to give this talk to the players and coaches !?

Since the headline of this thread is, "will beebe play dec. 26" I had to find out since I know someone that knows the family. Now, this is 2nd hand news but my source is pretty reliable. It seems beebe had been playing with broken ribs for 4 weeks from a hit he took in the Bowling Green game. Then in the CMU game at the very end of the game he made a diving catch in which the rib lacerated his liver and kidney. And to think if I remember right, he came back in the CMU game one play later. One tough dude!!! He had to spend time in the trauma center in Rockford I guess for a few days. But from what I hear, he is doing just fine but will not be able to play the bowl game and beebe was devastated that he can't play. Feel really bad for this kid. It seems he could never catch a break. Would have loved to see what he could have done with a full season. Anyways, thanks beebe for a great career, you have as much heart and guts as I've ever seen.

Thanks for the update 85.

Regarding the end of the CMU game you mention....I was stunned that he was back on the field for that final pass play after being shaken up so bad 2 plays earlier.

Pound for pound he's as tough as they come. Unfortunately, he's not 300+ pounds.!
He's a great Huskie and wish him the best.

(12-08-2017 08:57 PM)Bears85 Wrote:  Since the headline of this thread is, "will beebe play dec. 26" I had to find out since I know someone that knows the family. Now, this is 2nd hand news but my source is pretty reliable. It seems beebe had been playing with broken ribs for 4 weeks from a hit he took in the Bowling Green game. Then in the CMU game at the very end of the game he made a diving catch in which the rib lacerated his liver and kidney. And to think if I remember right, he came back in the CMU game one play later. One tough dude!!! He had to spend time in the trauma center in Rockford I guess for a few days. But from what I hear, he is doing just fine but will not be able to play the bowl game and beebe was devastated that he can't play. Feel really bad for this kid. It seems he could never catch a break. Would have loved to see what he could have done with a full season. Anyways, thanks beebe for a great career, you have as much heart and guts as I've ever seen.

As someone who works in EMS, I am amazed. Unsung hero of the season.

(12-08-2017 08:57 PM)Bears85 Wrote:  Since the headline of this thread is, "will beebe play dec. 26" I had to find out since I know someone that knows the family. Now, this is 2nd hand news but my source is pretty reliable. It seems beebe had been playing with broken ribs for 4 weeks from a hit he took in the Bowling Green game. Then in the CMU game at the very end of the game he made a diving catch in which the rib lacerated his liver and kidney. And to think if I remember right, he came back in the CMU game one play later. One tough dude!!! He had to spend time in the trauma center in Rockford I guess for a few days. But from what I hear, he is doing just fine but will not be able to play the bowl game and beebe was devastated that he can't play. Feel really bad for this kid. It seems he could never catch a break. Would have loved to see what he could have done with a full season. Anyways, thanks beebe for a great career, you have as much heart and guts as I've ever seen.

What is wrong with a doctor who would clear a college kid to play with broken ribs and what is wrong with a coaching staff that would allow him to practice or play at this level? It seems like they put his long term health if not his life in jeopardy. I do wonder what Joe Novak feels about this AD and this head coach.

(12-09-2017 12:17 PM)bikechuck Wrote:  

(12-08-2017 08:57 PM)Bears85 Wrote:  Since the headline of this thread is, "will beebe play dec. 26" I had to find out since I know someone that knows the family. Now, this is 2nd hand news but my source is pretty reliable. It seems beebe had been playing with broken ribs for 4 weeks from a hit he took in the Bowling Green game. Then in the CMU game at the very end of the game he made a diving catch in which the rib lacerated his liver and kidney. And to think if I remember right, he came back in the CMU game one play later. One tough dude!!! He had to spend time in the trauma center in Rockford I guess for a few days. But from what I hear, he is doing just fine but will not be able to play the bowl game and beebe was devastated that he can't play. Feel really bad for this kid. It seems he could never catch a break. Would have loved to see what he could have done with a full season. Anyways, thanks beebe for a great career, you have as much heart and guts as I've ever seen.

What is wrong with a doctor who would clear a college kid to play with broken ribs and what is wrong with a coaching staff that would allow him to practice or play at this level? It seems like they put his long term health if not his life in jeopardy. I do wonder what Joe Novak feels about this AD and this head coach.

I just get this feeling the problem does go deeper than Carey, just looking from the outside, imo, Frazier has established a culture with no accountability. Carey knows he would never make any changes, he pretty much has free reign. The Boise State bowl game was the time to address problems, as obvious culture problems were blossoming at that time, and a strategy of avoidance was chosen

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(12-09-2017 12:52 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(12-09-2017 12:17 PM)bikechuck Wrote:  

(12-08-2017 08:57 PM)Bears85 Wrote:  Since the headline of this thread is, "will beebe play dec. 26" I had to find out since I know someone that knows the family. Now, this is 2nd hand news but my source is pretty reliable. It seems beebe had been playing with broken ribs for 4 weeks from a hit he took in the Bowling Green game. Then in the CMU game at the very end of the game he made a diving catch in which the rib lacerated his liver and kidney. And to think if I remember right, he came back in the CMU game one play later. One tough dude!!! He had to spend time in the trauma center in Rockford I guess for a few days. But from what I hear, he is doing just fine but will not be able to play the bowl game and beebe was devastated that he can't play. Feel really bad for this kid. It seems he could never catch a break. Would have loved to see what he could have done with a full season. Anyways, thanks beebe for a great career, you have as much heart and guts as I've ever seen.

What is wrong with a doctor who would clear a college kid to play with broken ribs and what is wrong with a coaching staff that would allow him to practice or play at this level? It seems like they put his long term health if not his life in jeopardy. I do wonder what Joe Novak feels about this AD and this head coach.

I just get this feeling the problem does go deeper than Carey, just looking from the outside, imo, Frazier has established a culture with no accountability. Carey knows he would never make any changes, he pretty much has free reign. The Boise State bowl game was the time to address problems, as obvious culture problems were blossoming at that time, and a strategy of avoidance was chosen

Oh, just shut up.

(12-10-2017 11:04 AM)Skinut Wrote:  

(12-09-2017 12:52 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(12-09-2017 12:17 PM)bikechuck Wrote:  

(12-08-2017 08:57 PM)Bears85 Wrote:  Since the headline of this thread is, "will beebe play dec. 26" I had to find out since I know someone that knows the family. Now, this is 2nd hand news but my source is pretty reliable. It seems beebe had been playing with broken ribs for 4 weeks from a hit he took in the Bowling Green game. Then in the CMU game at the very end of the game he made a diving catch in which the rib lacerated his liver and kidney. And to think if I remember right, he came back in the CMU game one play later. One tough dude!!! He had to spend time in the trauma center in Rockford I guess for a few days. But from what I hear, he is doing just fine but will not be able to play the bowl game and beebe was devastated that he can't play. Feel really bad for this kid. It seems he could never catch a break. Would have loved to see what he could have done with a full season. Anyways, thanks beebe for a great career, you have as much heart and guts as I've ever seen.

What is wrong with a doctor who would clear a college kid to play with broken ribs and what is wrong with a coaching staff that would allow him to practice or play at this level? It seems like they put his long term health if not his life in jeopardy. I do wonder what Joe Novak feels about this AD and this head coach.

I just get this feeling the problem does go deeper than Carey, just looking from the outside, imo, Frazier has established a culture with no accountability. Carey knows he would never make any changes, he pretty much has free reign. The Boise State bowl game was the time to address problems, as obvious culture problems were blossoming at that time, and a strategy of avoidance was chosen

Oh, just shut up.

How about a staff that had a report saying a player had torn ligaments in his ankle dated 10/4 and did not tell the kid until after the CMU game !! That’s not cool

(12-10-2017 11:27 AM)randy6969 Wrote:  

(12-10-2017 11:04 AM)Skinut Wrote:  

(12-09-2017 12:52 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(12-09-2017 12:17 PM)bikechuck Wrote:  

(12-08-2017 08:57 PM)Bears85 Wrote:  Since the headline of this thread is, "will beebe play dec. 26" I had to find out since I know someone that knows the family. Now, this is 2nd hand news but my source is pretty reliable. It seems beebe had been playing with broken ribs for 4 weeks from a hit he took in the Bowling Green game. Then in the CMU game at the very end of the game he made a diving catch in which the rib lacerated his liver and kidney. And to think if I remember right, he came back in the CMU game one play later. One tough dude!!! He had to spend time in the trauma center in Rockford I guess for a few days. But from what I hear, he is doing just fine but will not be able to play the bowl game and beebe was devastated that he can't play. Feel really bad for this kid. It seems he could never catch a break. Would have loved to see what he could have done with a full season. Anyways, thanks beebe for a great career, you have as much heart and guts as I've ever seen.

What is wrong with a doctor who would clear a college kid to play with broken ribs and what is wrong with a coaching staff that would allow him to practice or play at this level? It seems like they put his long term health if not his life in jeopardy. I do wonder what Joe Novak feels about this AD and this head coach.

I just get this feeling the problem does go deeper than Carey, just looking from the outside, imo, Frazier has established a culture with no accountability. Carey knows he would never make any changes, he pretty much has free reign. The Boise State bowl game was the time to address problems, as obvious culture problems were blossoming at that time, and a strategy of avoidance was chosen

Oh, just shut up.

How about a staff that had a report saying a player had torn ligaments in his ankle dated 10/4 and did not tell the kid until after the CMU game !! That’s not cool

Holy **** I really hope this is not true

(12-10-2017 11:52 AM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(12-10-2017 11:27 AM)randy6969 Wrote:  

(12-10-2017 11:04 AM)Skinut Wrote:  

(12-09-2017 12:52 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(12-09-2017 12:17 PM)bikechuck Wrote:  What is wrong with a doctor who would clear a college kid to play with broken ribs and what is wrong with a coaching staff that would allow him to practice or play at this level? It seems like they put his long term health if not his life in jeopardy. I do wonder what Joe Novak feels about this AD and this head coach.

I just get this feeling the problem does go deeper than Carey, just looking from the outside, imo, Frazier has established a culture with no accountability. Carey knows he would never make any changes, he pretty much has free reign. The Boise State bowl game was the time to address problems, as obvious culture problems were blossoming at that time, and a strategy of avoidance was chosen

Oh, just shut up.

How about a staff that had a report saying a player had torn ligaments in his ankle dated 10/4 and did not tell the kid until after the CMU game !! That’s not cool

Holy **** I really hope this is not true

Oh but it is huff showed it directly to my son and he was pissed

(12-10-2017 11:52 AM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(12-10-2017 11:27 AM)randy6969 Wrote:  

(12-10-2017 11:04 AM)Skinut Wrote:  

(12-09-2017 12:52 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(12-09-2017 12:17 PM)bikechuck Wrote:  What is wrong with a doctor who would clear a college kid to play with broken ribs and what is wrong with a coaching staff that would allow him to practice or play at this level? It seems like they put his long term health if not his life in jeopardy. I do wonder what Joe Novak feels about this AD and this head coach.

I just get this feeling the problem does go deeper than Carey, just looking from the outside, imo, Frazier has established a culture with no accountability. Carey knows he would never make any changes, he pretty much has free reign. The Boise State bowl game was the time to address problems, as obvious culture problems were blossoming at that time, and a strategy of avoidance was chosen

Oh, just shut up.

How about a staff that had a report saying a player had torn ligaments in his ankle dated 10/4 and did not tell the kid until after the CMU game !! That’s not cool

Holy **** I really hope this is not true

Oh but it is huff showed it directly to my son and he was pissed