Just saying.

They will. Not right away however. They want you to think you got a good deal so you can vote Republican again in the next election. Over time however, you will be right back to where you started as the tax cuts on the middle class will expire and the taxes on the rich will be permanent.

(12-06-2017 10:23 AM)Dasville Wrote:  Just saying.

Good, put 'em in office, they'll be happy to raise them even higher if you'd like.....and even if you don't like it.

You sound like the kid telling his dad, "I'll show you, I'll join the army".

(12-06-2017 10:29 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  They will. Not right away however. They want you to think you got a good deal so you can vote Republican again in the next election. Over time however, you will be right back to where you started as the tax cuts on the middle class will expire and the taxes on the rich will be permanent.

sounds like oblundercare and premiums....

(12-06-2017 10:23 AM)Dasville Wrote:  Just saying.

uh, what do you think would happen to your taxes then?

(12-06-2017 10:35 AM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  

(12-06-2017 10:29 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  They will. Not right away however. They want you to think you got a good deal so you can vote Republican again in the next election. Over time however, you will be right back to where you started as the tax cuts on the middle class will expire and the taxes on the rich will be permanent.

sounds like oblundercare and premiums....

The difference here is that Obamacare had no control over the premiums. That comes from the insurance providers and not the government.

In the case of the Trump tax reform, it's a redistribution of wealth to the richest Americans that is set in stone. Law.

(12-06-2017 10:40 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(12-06-2017 10:35 AM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  

(12-06-2017 10:29 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  They will. Not right away however. They want you to think you got a good deal so you can vote Republican again in the next election. Over time however, you will be right back to where you started as the tax cuts on the middle class will expire and the taxes on the rich will be permanent.

sounds like oblundercare and premiums....

The difference here is that Obamacare had no control over the premiums. That comes from the insurance providers and not the government.

In the case of the Trump tax reform, it's a redistribution of wealth to the richest Americans that is set in stone. Law.

the first two sentences are both spectacularly false. the third is merely uninformed and petulant.

(12-06-2017 10:40 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(12-06-2017 10:35 AM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  

(12-06-2017 10:29 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  They will. Not right away however. They want you to think you got a good deal so you can vote Republican again in the next election. Over time however, you will be right back to where you started as the tax cuts on the middle class will expire and the taxes on the rich will be permanent.

sounds like oblundercare and premiums....

The difference here is that Obamacare had no control over the premiums. That comes from the insurance providers and not the government.

In the case of the Trump tax reform, it's a redistribution of wealth to the richest Americans that is set in stone. Law.

Obamacare certainly had control over premiums. It was set up so rising premiums were inevitable.

And you seem to think somehow letting people keep their own money is in some way government giving them what is already theirs.

If the tax bill hurts me, I hope President Trump doesn’t sign it. Wouldn’t that be something!?!

(12-06-2017 10:47 AM)EagleX Wrote:  

(12-06-2017 10:40 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(12-06-2017 10:35 AM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  

(12-06-2017 10:29 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  They will. Not right away however. They want you to think you got a good deal so you can vote Republican again in the next election. Over time however, you will be right back to where you started as the tax cuts on the middle class will expire and the taxes on the rich will be permanent.

sounds like oblundercare and premiums....

The difference here is that Obamacare had no control over the premiums. That comes from the insurance providers and not the government.

In the case of the Trump tax reform, it's a redistribution of wealth to the richest Americans that is set in stone. Law.

the first two sentences are both spectacularly false. the third is merely uninformed and petulant.

The ignorance is mind boggling.

(12-06-2017 10:55 AM)Dasville Wrote:  If the tax bill hurts me, I hope President Trump doesn’t sign it. Wouldn’t that be something!?!

Trump can't take credit for other peoples work if he doesn't sign it.

(12-06-2017 10:56 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(12-06-2017 10:47 AM)EagleX Wrote:  

(12-06-2017 10:40 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(12-06-2017 10:35 AM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  

(12-06-2017 10:29 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  They will. Not right away however. They want you to think you got a good deal so you can vote Republican again in the next election. Over time however, you will be right back to where you started as the tax cuts on the middle class will expire and the taxes on the rich will be permanent.

sounds like oblundercare and premiums....

The difference here is that Obamacare had no control over the premiums. That comes from the insurance providers and not the government.

In the case of the Trump tax reform, it's a redistribution of wealth to the richest Americans that is set in stone. Law.

the first two sentences are both spectacularly false. the third is merely uninformed and petulant.

The ignorance is mind boggling.

Don't take my word for it. Find out for yourself.

https://obamacarefacts.com/obamacare-control-costs/

(12-06-2017 11:07 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(12-06-2017 10:56 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(12-06-2017 10:47 AM)EagleX Wrote:  

(12-06-2017 10:40 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(12-06-2017 10:35 AM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  sounds like oblundercare and premiums....

The difference here is that Obamacare had no control over the premiums. That comes from the insurance providers and not the government.

In the case of the Trump tax reform, it's a redistribution of wealth to the richest Americans that is set in stone. Law.

the first two sentences are both spectacularly false. the third is merely uninformed and petulant.

The ignorance is mind boggling.

Don't take my word for it. Find out for yourself.

https://obamacarefacts.com/obamacare-control-costs/

lol, you still don't see it. The fact that you called one a redistributin of wealth and not the other proves that you are partisan and don't give a damn about the facts. Oh, also, don't tell me to go look at some "facts" when you refuse to read the constitution. Carry on Fit, I'd buy you a cold beer if we ever met, but you are incorrect on this issue.

(12-06-2017 11:10 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(12-06-2017 11:07 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(12-06-2017 10:56 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(12-06-2017 10:47 AM)EagleX Wrote:  

(12-06-2017 10:40 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  The difference here is that Obamacare had no control over the premiums. That comes from the insurance providers and not the government.

In the case of the Trump tax reform, it's a redistribution of wealth to the richest Americans that is set in stone. Law.

the first two sentences are both spectacularly false. the third is merely uninformed and petulant.

The ignorance is mind boggling.

Don't take my word for it. Find out for yourself.

https://obamacarefacts.com/obamacare-control-costs/

lol, you still don't see it. The fact that you called one a redistributin of wealth and not the other proves that you are partisan and don't give a damn about the facts. Oh, also, don't tell me to go look at some "facts" when you refuse to read the constitution. Carry on Fit, I'd buy you a cold beer if we ever met, but you are incorrect on this issue.

I never said that one was a distribution of wealth and not the other. What I said was that one was done exclusively by the government and the other as a consequence of the market place.

Pay attention.

(12-06-2017 10:23 AM)Dasville Wrote:  Just saying.

Not a single democrat voted to lower taxes on American taxpayers. So by extension you are in favor of higher tax rates?

(12-06-2017 10:55 AM)Dasville Wrote:  If the tax bill hurts me, I hope President Trump doesn’t sign it. Wouldn’t that be something!?!

Can you explain how this tax bill will hurt you?

My family and I are as middle class as they come. If my Federal Taxes go up, they aren’t paying attention or don’t care.

(12-06-2017 11:32 AM)Dasville Wrote:  My family and I are as middle class as they come. If my Federal Taxes go up, they aren’t paying attention or don’t care.

Can you show anything in either bill that says your taxes are going up?

Taxes are the Republicans expertise. They screw this up and they will be proved lacking. They screw the middle class, they would prove they are the party of the wealthy morality. You know, the ones that go to church for “business” purposes.

(12-06-2017 11:32 AM)Dasville Wrote:  My family and I are as middle class as they come. If my Federal Taxes go up, they aren’t paying attention or don’t care.

Your standard deduction is doubling (your first $24,000 will be tax free, up from $12,700), your rates are dropping, and you will no longer have a tax penalty for not buying an insurance product.

Congratulations.