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(03-15-2018 10:09 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(03-15-2018 08:49 AM)monarx Wrote:  Without FBS facilities we won't get FBS caliber players. Without FBS money we won't get FBS caliber coaches. Without FBS players and coaches, we won't win very often. Somehow, ODU "leadership" has to find a way to get our stadium and facilities to a high G5 level. We're going to have to live with what gets built (or added on to whats built) for probably the rest of our lives... so we have one shot to do it right. And if its done wrong we're in trouble.

We don't have the money to do it "right" that is the problem... and as long as we are sending all of our athletes to Texas, Florida, Louisiana, Mississippi, and Alabama to compete, while getting next to nothing in media deals, we just aren't going to have the money unless we find a billionaire sugar daddy that will fund all of it privately and take control of everything.

You make it sound as if competing with the rest of CUSA would take a $100 million budget.

(03-15-2018 10:17 AM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  

(03-15-2018 10:09 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(03-15-2018 08:49 AM)monarx Wrote:  Without FBS facilities we won't get FBS caliber players. Without FBS money we won't get FBS caliber coaches. Without FBS players and coaches, we won't win very often. Somehow, ODU "leadership" has to find a way to get our stadium and facilities to a high G5 level. We're going to have to live with what gets built (or added on to whats built) for probably the rest of our lives... so we have one shot to do it right. And if its done wrong we're in trouble.

We don't have the money to do it "right" that is the problem... and as long as we are sending all of our athletes to Texas, Florida, Louisiana, Mississippi, and Alabama to compete, while getting next to nothing in media deals, we just aren't going to have the money unless we find a billionaire sugar daddy that will fund all of it privately and take control of everything.

You make it sound as if competing with the rest of CUSA would take a $100 million budget.

Not yearly. But a one time $100 million for a stadium would be a good start.

(03-15-2018 10:42 AM)ODUBB35 Wrote:  

(03-15-2018 10:17 AM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  

(03-15-2018 10:09 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(03-15-2018 08:49 AM)monarx Wrote:  Without FBS facilities we won't get FBS caliber players. Without FBS money we won't get FBS caliber coaches. Without FBS players and coaches, we won't win very often. Somehow, ODU "leadership" has to find a way to get our stadium and facilities to a high G5 level. We're going to have to live with what gets built (or added on to whats built) for probably the rest of our lives... so we have one shot to do it right. And if its done wrong we're in trouble.

We don't have the money to do it "right" that is the problem... and as long as we are sending all of our athletes to Texas, Florida, Louisiana, Mississippi, and Alabama to compete, while getting next to nothing in media deals, we just aren't going to have the money unless we find a billionaire sugar daddy that will fund all of it privately and take control of everything.

You make it sound as if competing with the rest of CUSA would take a $100 million budget.

Not yearly. But a one time $100 million for a stadium would be a good start.

Of course but who wouldn't welcome that much of a donation? Ever said we needed a billionaire sugar daddy to compete in CUSA. That's ridiculous, especially when we have already shown we can do it in the big 3 sports.

(03-15-2018 10:17 AM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  

(03-15-2018 10:09 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(03-15-2018 08:49 AM)monarx Wrote:  Without FBS facilities we won't get FBS caliber players. Without FBS money we won't get FBS caliber coaches. Without FBS players and coaches, we won't win very often. Somehow, ODU "leadership" has to find a way to get our stadium and facilities to a high G5 level. We're going to have to live with what gets built (or added on to whats built) for probably the rest of our lives... so we have one shot to do it right. And if its done wrong we're in trouble.

We don't have the money to do it "right" that is the problem... and as long as we are sending all of our athletes to Texas, Florida, Louisiana, Mississippi, and Alabama to compete, while getting next to nothing in media deals, we just aren't going to have the money unless we find a billionaire sugar daddy that will fund all of it privately and take control of everything.

You make it sound as if competing with the rest of CUSA would take a $100 million budget.

obviously that isnt the case, but i didnt figure this to be the end game. but if we cant make it happen here with our resources, we certainly arent going anywhere but here. the problem might not be with the money, but with the people in charge of spending it.

(03-15-2018 10:09 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(03-15-2018 08:49 AM)monarx Wrote:  Without FBS facilities we won't get FBS caliber players. Without FBS money we won't get FBS caliber coaches. Without FBS players and coaches, we won't win very often. Somehow, ODU "leadership" has to find a way to get our stadium and facilities to a high G5 level. We're going to have to live with what gets built (or added on to whats built) for probably the rest of our lives... so we have one shot to do it right. And if its done wrong we're in trouble.

We don't have the money to do it "right" that is the problem... and as long as we are sending all of our athletes to Texas, Florida, Louisiana, Mississippi, and Alabama to compete, while getting next to nothing in media deals, we just aren't going to have the money unless we find a billionaire sugar daddy that will fund all of it privately and take control of everything.

I get your point, but somehow GSU, Temple, MTSU, FAU, Coastal, Charlotte... even JMU manage to get it close to done right. So its obviously not impossible. Peer schools manage to get it done with their leadership and donor bases somehow.

(03-15-2018 10:47 AM)jasdf Wrote:  

(03-15-2018 10:17 AM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  

(03-15-2018 10:09 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(03-15-2018 08:49 AM)monarx Wrote:  Without FBS facilities we won't get FBS caliber players. Without FBS money we won't get FBS caliber coaches. Without FBS players and coaches, we won't win very often. Somehow, ODU "leadership" has to find a way to get our stadium and facilities to a high G5 level. We're going to have to live with what gets built (or added on to whats built) for probably the rest of our lives... so we have one shot to do it right. And if its done wrong we're in trouble.

We don't have the money to do it "right" that is the problem... and as long as we are sending all of our athletes to Texas, Florida, Louisiana, Mississippi, and Alabama to compete, while getting next to nothing in media deals, we just aren't going to have the money unless we find a billionaire sugar daddy that will fund all of it privately and take control of everything.

You make it sound as if competing with the rest of CUSA would take a $100 million budget.

obviously that isnt the case, but i didnt figure this to be the end game. but if we cant make it happen here with our resources, we certainly arent going anywhere but here. the problem might not be with the money, but with the people in charge of spending it.

Yes. We got here with Wood and John. It's perfectly reasonable to think a new AD and Pres. might be necessary to get us to the next step.

CUSA is not the end game. And neither is the initial stadium build.

We haven't even started our 10th year of football yet. Acting as if where we are now is an example of what we will do at this level for eternity is simply an overexageration by Ever.

(03-15-2018 10:53 AM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  

(03-15-2018 10:47 AM)jasdf Wrote:  

(03-15-2018 10:17 AM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  

(03-15-2018 10:09 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(03-15-2018 08:49 AM)monarx Wrote:  Without FBS facilities we won't get FBS caliber players. Without FBS money we won't get FBS caliber coaches. Without FBS players and coaches, we won't win very often. Somehow, ODU "leadership" has to find a way to get our stadium and facilities to a high G5 level. We're going to have to live with what gets built (or added on to whats built) for probably the rest of our lives... so we have one shot to do it right. And if its done wrong we're in trouble.

We don't have the money to do it "right" that is the problem... and as long as we are sending all of our athletes to Texas, Florida, Louisiana, Mississippi, and Alabama to compete, while getting next to nothing in media deals, we just aren't going to have the money unless we find a billionaire sugar daddy that will fund all of it privately and take control of everything.

You make it sound as if competing with the rest of CUSA would take a $100 million budget.

obviously that isnt the case, but i didnt figure this to be the end game. but if we cant make it happen here with our resources, we certainly arent going anywhere but here. the problem might not be with the money, but with the people in charge of spending it.

Yes. We got here with Wood and John. It's perfectly reasonable to think a new AD and Pres. might be necessary to get us to the next step.

CUSA is not the end game. And neither is the initial stadium build.

We haven't even started our 10th year of football yet. Acting as if where we are now is an example of what we will do at this level for eternity is simply an overexageration by Ever.

I understand you have stars in your eyes (I did in the past as well), but I don't even see hope. If CUSA isn't the end game, what is? If we can't fill Forman Field anymore as is, what makes you think we will ever move on capacity? What is the plan? Maybe if I saw the plan and the short-term goals to get there seem reasonable and attainable, I'd be more optimistic. I don't see the path. Just seems to me like Lil' Woody is going on knee-jerk reactionism, three card monte, and PR spin. We can't even afford the coaching staff needed to compete in football. I like Bobby, but he is in over his head and we can't do better.

Sell-outs aren't a prerequisite to expansion or renovation (See; UNT, WKU, ECU). As for a plan, have you already forgotten about the capital campaign? That campaign is for the second part of the foreman field upgrade. To see them already collecting for that shows they have a plan to make that a short-term reality.

As for Wilder, I'm not sure he is the man for the job either. But we have options to raise the salary pool for our football staff. We could play a body bag game(s), we've been offered close to 2 mil in the past. One per season would more than cover additional costs for a more expensive coaching staff.

(03-15-2018 11:42 AM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  Sell-outs aren't a prerequisite to expansion or renovation (See; UNT, WKU, ECU). As for a plan, have you already forgotten about the capital campaign? That campaign is for the second part of the foreman field upgrade. To see them already collecting for that shows they have a plan to make that a short-term reality.

As for Wilder, I'm not sure he is the man for the job either. But we have options to raise the salary pool for our football staff. We could play a body bag game(s), we've been offered close to 2 mil in the past. One per season would more than cover additional costs for a more expensive coaching staff.

We cant afford to do any body bag games for the foreseeable future because we have home and homes w our P5 opponents. And thats a good thing. If we add a body bag game and start playing 3 P5s each year we put ourselves in a position of not having very many winning records. Bowling is important... as much for the extra practices and recruiting advantage as for the exposure and reward.

(03-15-2018 12:16 PM)monarx Wrote:  

(03-15-2018 11:42 AM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  Sell-outs aren't a prerequisite to expansion or renovation (See; UNT, WKU, ECU). As for a plan, have you already forgotten about the capital campaign? That campaign is for the second part of the foreman field upgrade. To see them already collecting for that shows they have a plan to make that a short-term reality.

As for Wilder, I'm not sure he is the man for the job either. But we have options to raise the salary pool for our football staff. We could play a body bag game(s), we've been offered close to 2 mil in the past. One per season would more than cover additional costs for a more expensive coaching staff.

We cant afford to do any body bag games for the foreseeable future because we have home and homes w our P5 opponents. And thats a good thing. If we add a body bag game and start playing 3 P5s each year we put ourselves in a position of not having very many winning records. Bowling is important... as much for the extra practices and recruiting advantage as for the exposure and reward.

After 2020, we only have 1 season where more than 1 is scheduled (2022). The rest of the decade would allow us to keep one game for the series' with VT and UVA and still have a body bag game, playing 2 P5s a season.

Bobby may or may not be the guy. Let's get him a decent stadium and find out.

Has there been any movement in this rumored project or has ODU given up?

Definitely not given up. Stuff going on behind the scenes and a wait game in progress with the legislature. Where it will go, nobody knows.

If this project is still "on track" it has been the worst handled significant event in the history of college athletics and the entire communications/PR/Athletic Department should be fired. The absolute silence on something this significant would be malpractice if for no other reason than fundraising and recruiting off of it. My guess is that they are really struggling to get anything close to what they were hoping for within the budget they have to work with and don't want to get hammered for rolling out a nothing burger.

(03-23-2018 08:13 AM)jumpshooter Wrote:  Definitely not given up. Stuff going on behind the scenes and a wait game in progress with the legislature. Where it will go, nobody knows.

What are they waiting on from the legislature?

permission to add $ to the original 55m from what I've been ed to believe

(03-23-2018 08:39 AM)jumpshooter Wrote:  permission to add $ to the original 55m from what I've been ed to believe

Wow what a casual way to find out about this lol

(03-23-2018 08:39 AM)jumpshooter Wrote:  permission to add $ to the original 55m from what I've been ed to believe

This is correct.

Huh, interesting. Some politicking going on.

I guess yall haven't heard... ODU and Ballard are partnering with ABC "Extreme Makeover: Stadium Edition"

From the presser: A new show that will travel America featuring college football stadium replacements. Production will film 12 months of construction from start to finish. Each episode will showcase an hour long narrative.

The first television series will feature Old Dominion University in Norfolk, Virginia as they replace their 80 year old stadium.

AD Wood Selig "very exciting to showcase our university on national television for 12 weeks come fall of 2020"

Production to start on Sunday the 1st.