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RE: Scarbo: Don't prop up Legion Field; Birmingham needs a new stadium
Yeah, it's not dead. It's even worse. They want to spend $100 million on it. This is the City Council saying they aren't going to be involved with the BJCC project

http://www.al.com/news/birmingham/index....river_home

Quote:The project is part of a proposed $100 million plan to redevelop the Smithfield community by addressing housing, infrastructure and parks and greenspace.

Council members spoke largely in favor of the proposed project during Tuesday's council meeting.

"(Legion Field) isn't in the shape that most ... think it is," she said. "It is very structurally sound. You have to invest in it."

Councilor Steven Hoyt said Legion Field needs to be revitalized.

"I just want to remind the public that Alabama doesn't have a new stadium," he said. "They have a renovated stadium. Auburn doesn't have a new stadium. They have a stadium that has been added to and renovated."

That last quote is Hoyt saying that the Council wants UAB to stay in Legion Field.

Attala, better break out plan B
12-05-2017 06:19 PM
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RE: Scarbo: Don't prop up Legion Field; Birmingham needs a new stadium
Oh look, here is another story with Lashunda Scales name in it .

http://blog.al.com/spotnews/2013/06/birm...hun_2.html
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RE: Scarbo: Don't prop up Legion Field; Birmingham needs a new stadium
if only her constituents could have known this before they just re-elected her.
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RE: Scarbo: Don't prop up Legion Field; Birmingham needs a new stadium
(12-05-2017 06:19 PM)mixduptransistor Wrote:  Yeah, it's not dead. It's even worse. They want to spend $100 million on it. This is the City Council saying they aren't going to be involved with the BJCC project

http://www.al.com/news/birmingham/index....river_home

Quote:The project is part of a proposed $100 million plan to redevelop the Smithfield community by addressing housing, infrastructure and parks and greenspace.

Council members spoke largely in favor of the proposed project during Tuesday's council meeting.

"(Legion Field) isn't in the shape that most ... think it is," she said. "It is very structurally sound. You have to invest in it."

Councilor Steven Hoyt said Legion Field needs to be revitalized.

"I just want to remind the public that Alabama doesn't have a new stadium," he said. "They have a renovated stadium. Auburn doesn't have a new stadium. They have a stadium that has been added to and renovated."

That last quote is Hoyt saying that the Council wants UAB to stay in Legion Field.

Attala, better break out plan B

Hoyt and Scales are idiots.

Whatever plan b is, I hope we're ready to act. How long does Clark stick around with the status quo of Legion Field?
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RE: Scarbo: Don't prop up Legion Field; Birmingham needs a new stadium
(12-05-2017 07:47 PM)hooverblazer Wrote:  Hoyt and Scales are idiots.

Whatever plan b is, I hope we're ready to act. How long does Clark stick around with the status quo of Legion Field?

They may be corrupt, and they may be idiots, but they are on the city council. It's kind of silly to dismiss them
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RE: Scarbo: Don't prop up Legion Field; Birmingham needs a new stadium
(12-05-2017 08:07 PM)mixduptransistor Wrote:  
(12-05-2017 07:47 PM)hooverblazer Wrote:  Hoyt and Scales are idiots.

Whatever plan b is, I hope we're ready to act. How long does Clark stick around with the status quo of Legion Field?

They may be corrupt, and they may be idiots, but they are on the city council. It's kind of silly to dismiss them

Not sure how you got that statement being a dismissal.
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RE: Scarbo: Don't prop up Legion Field; Birmingham needs a new stadium
It looks like it's more of the same for Birmingham. Apathetic people electing known criminals and self serving politicians .
Until the city elects leaders that have everyone's best interest at heart, and without concern for their own ego or checkbook, my hometown will continue to be broken in every way conceivable.
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RE: Scarbo: Don't prop up Legion Field; Birmingham needs a new stadium
(12-05-2017 05:52 PM)Blazerstadium Wrote:  
(12-05-2017 12:26 PM)58-56 Wrote:  
(12-05-2017 11:18 AM)Blazerstadium Wrote:  Birmingham has the World Games coming in just a few years, and it will be here fast. They need to do something to facilitate those events. I know Jonathan Austin had purpose lightrail a few years ago, now he is gone and nothing has been said in a couple years about it.

Just wondering, since we don't seem to control the stadium situation in any way, if they were to bandage up LF, would a light rail route from campus to the stadium help in any way???

This argument between the old and a new is so tiring, I just wish something would happen and we could move on. Otherwise we will always be in limbo, and that sucks.

You'd need about a mile to a mile and a half, depending on where on campus you located the station. That's probably $50 to $75 million, making a really raw guess (recent costs have been $43 mill/mile in Norfolk to $205 in Milwaukee). Some expenses would be on the high end since you're not able to spread the cost of the rolling stock over a larger system, though the land should be mostly condemnable.

I love light rail, but it's probably more realistic to build a walkable greenway from campus to Legion Field, connecting to Railroad Park and on to Sloss.

Looking at a map, wonder if they used the existing rail lines from railroad park towards LF, how much would it cost. They could buy land south of LF towards Hwy 11, with a station. Wouldn't drop you further from the stadium then the most eastern part of the existing parking lot.

That was part of Austins idea, was to use existing rail lines.

Side note, I'd like to see the property of LF and Rickwood joined with an entertainment district, hotels, meeting spaces. A lot of money, but would completely change that area of the city.

(12-05-2017 08:52 PM)BlazerPhil Wrote:  It looks like it's more of the same for Birmingham. Apathetic people electing known criminals and self serving politicians .
Until the city elects leaders that have everyone's best interest at heart, and without concern for their own ego or checkbook, my hometown will continue to be broken in every way conceivable.

This light rail talk is just bizarre. Ain't happenin'. Stop it.

Unfortunately, Birmingham doesn't have the private sector money to "buy" the public opinion of elected officials. Bottom line is that Birmingham's "old money" has been squandered by grandkids and great grandkids, and the money that is left is funneling to UA and AU interests as they relate to sports. College, Pro, whatever.

Bottom line, until you can get past the socioeconomic divide that is Division Street...Bham isn't moving forward.

You can't legislate change in the Bham City Limits from the suburbs.

Hell at this point...just keep putting bleachers around BBVA Field until we hit 25k capacity and be done. I don't know why we don't continue to explore that option. Budget and build 4-5k in seats a year and we'd have an on campus stadium before we know it.
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RE: Scarbo: Don't prop up Legion Field; Birmingham needs a new stadium
(12-05-2017 12:04 PM)the_blazerman Wrote:  So he pulled a Cubby Bear.

03-lmfao
12-06-2017 06:51 PM
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RE: Scarbo: Don't prop up Legion Field; Birmingham needs a new stadium
(12-05-2017 02:32 PM)mobileblazer Wrote:  I'm probably wrong, but
Weren't the increases in lodging & rental car taxes supposed to go to the football/BJCC plans?
If so, how much $ has been raised?

And not spent elsewhere.
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RE: Scarbo: Don't prop up Legion Field; Birmingham needs a new stadium
(12-05-2017 05:52 PM)Blazerstadium Wrote:  
(12-05-2017 12:26 PM)58-56 Wrote:  
(12-05-2017 11:18 AM)Blazerstadium Wrote:  Birmingham has the World Games coming in just a few years, and it will be here fast. They need to do something to facilitate those events. I know Jonathan Austin had purpose lightrail a few years ago, now he is gone and nothing has been said in a couple years about it.

Just wondering, since we don't seem to control the stadium situation in any way, if they were to bandage up LF, would a light rail route from campus to the stadium help in any way???

This argument between the old and a new is so tiring, I just wish something would happen and we could move on. Otherwise we will always be in limbo, and that sucks.

You'd need about a mile to a mile and a half, depending on where on campus you located the station. That's probably $50 to $75 million, making a really raw guess (recent costs have been $43 mill/mile in Norfolk to $205 in Milwaukee). Some expenses would be on the high end since you're not able to spread the cost of the rolling stock over a larger system, though the land should be mostly condemnable.

I love light rail, but it's probably more realistic to build a walkable greenway from campus to Legion Field, connecting to Railroad Park and on to Sloss.

Looking at a map, wonder if they used the existing rail lines from railroad park towards LF, how much would it cost. They could buy land south of LF towards Hwy 11, with a station. Wouldn't drop you further from the stadium then the most eastern part of the existing parking lot.

That was part of Austins idea, was to use existing rail lines.

Side note, I'd like to see the property of LF and Rickwood joined with an entertainment district, hotels, meeting spaces. A lot of money, but would completely change that area of the city.

Light rail's been most successful where it knits together tourist districts, and people want to hop off and on to shop or drink or whatever. And it adds its own coolness to the area.

This line would go through what's essentially a desert, and only have serious ridership six times a year. Maybe again for the Classic, and when South Florida University returns for the bowl. So eight.

If Birmingham were to invest in light rail, it would probably be a better use to link Uptown including a new stadium with Five Points, along a widened 20th Street with the line right down the center stripe. That gives the Southside merchants a piece of the stadium action.

Austin's probably right regarding commuter rail along existing lines being less expensive, but that doesn't make it cheap. It works in Europe where the railroads are nationalized and have a viable passenger service, and the commuter trains are run by the same outfit and can share its infrastructure. We wouldn't have that here and that would put the price tag very high even were the existing lines usable without modification (for one thing, there are very few stations; can't run all the trains between Irondale and Morris Avenue).

I would love to see a walkable greenway to Legion Field, with the band leading the students and fans out there on a Dragon March each gameday morning. Not expensive, improves the city, usable year-round.

As for another entertainment district, a wise economist once told me that "you can't build a viable economy where we're all delivering pizzas to each other." We need solid quality of life (including a modern stadium and sports and concerts to fill it) to attract modern employers. But the entertainment part is a means to that end, not the goal itself.
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RE: Scarbo: Don't prop up Legion Field; Birmingham needs a new stadium
Unlike in Europe and other parts of America where it is just another way to get around a city, public transportation in the South, particularly in Alabama, carries with it a racial stigma resulting in it always being underfunded and fractionally available. A number of years ago, B'ham's MAX sought matching funds from Montgomery for millions offered from Washington to modernize equipment and expand service. B'ham's request was rejected, and the federal money went to other cities in other states.

Even though factual evidence doesn't support the opinion, Medicaid suffers from the same stigma which is why Alabama's leadership turned down millions from Washington to prevent Medicaid expansion in Alabama. "Poor people" has become the new code word for racial minority.

There was a good reason why the 1955 Montgomery Bus Boycott was so effective. While the Blacks refused to ride the buses, the Whites would not ride them either because they were (and still are) largely considered "minority transportation". A common slur in B'ham referred to buses as "The Mountain Brook Maid Delivery Service".
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RE: Scarbo: Don't prop up Legion Field; Birmingham needs a new stadium
(12-07-2017 12:42 PM)BAMANBLAZERFAN Wrote:  Unlike in Europe and other parts of America, public transportation in the South, particularly in Alabama, carries with it a racial stigma resulting in it always being underfunded and fractionally available. A number of years ago, B'ham's MAX sought matching funds from Montgomery for millions offered from Washington to modernize equipment and expand service. B'ham's request was rejected, and the federal money went to other cities in other states.

Even though factual evidence doesn't support the opinion, Medicaid suffers from the same stigma which is why Alabama turned down millions from Washington to prevent its expansion in Alabama.

There was a good reason why the 1955 Montgomery Bus Boycott was so effective. While the Blacks refused to ride the buses, the Whites would not ride them either because they were (and still are) largely considered "minority transportation". A common slur in B'ham referred to buses as "The Mountain Brook Maid Delivery Service".


Them dagum Blacks.
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