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Tough one- thought the Dukes were maybe going to steal that one. I know stealing a game vs the Citadel is not where you want to be as a program but they had trouble adjusting to the style of play. Too many turnovers. Too many uncontested layups and 3s on defense. They slowed the style of play at times to keep the score down but I wonder if they played run and gun if they may have had more success just based on their athletic advantages.

Some positives though in terms of Greg Jones play. Banks was very good as well. McLean continues to struggle shooting although his assist to turnover at 5 to 2 was pretty good. I think where he has also been hurting JMU is on defense. He's smaller and has less quickness than some of the other Dukes guards. It's a tough spot because he's a Senior but I'm not sure he's a starter.
12-06-2017 07:08 AM
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Onwards and forwards...

...Dukes have a date at UR Saturday night (6pm, TV: NBCSW+).

Ticks are 1-7 on the season and travel to ODU (5-3) tonight. UR is 265th in FG%, 333rd in 3FG%, 302nd in Pts scored per game, and 349th in Rebounds per game.

They are coming off a 82-53 loss at Wake Forest. Their lone win on the season was over UAB (63-50) in the Cayman Islands just before Turkey Day. They opened the season with a 13-pt home loss to fellow CAA member, Delaware. After that, they lost by 33! points to Jax State also at home. In fact, they are 0-4 so far at the Robins Center. They likely see the Dukes coming in as a good opportunity to get that first home win. Another good test for our guys to prep for the upcoming CAA schedule. The Florida swing with FIU and UF next week before a Christmas break.
12-06-2017 08:15 AM
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(12-06-2017 07:08 AM)NJDuke97 Wrote:  Tough one- thought the Dukes were maybe going to steal that one. I know stealing a game vs the Citadel is not where you want to be as a program but they had trouble adjusting to the style of play. Too many turnovers. Too many uncontested layups and 3s on defense. They slowed the style of play at times to keep the score down but I wonder if they played run and gun if they may have had more success just based on their athletic advantages.

Some positives though in terms of Greg Jones play. Banks was very good as well. McLean continues to struggle shooting although his assist to turnover at 5 to 2 was pretty good. I think where he has also been hurting JMU is on defense. He's smaller and has less quickness than some of the other Dukes guards. It's a tough spot because he's a Senior but I'm not sure he's a starter.

should have guarded the 3's
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At least it seems the pieces of a good team are there. The defense struggled...couldn't cover the 3 and an easy lane to the basket was open all night long for quick driving layups. The Citadel scored a lot of their points on uncontested shots. The offense was fairly good, though, just need to have the right people taking a higher percentage of shots. Hopefully this was just a style of play difference.

Pretty sure the Dukes are going to piss off a lot of teams in the CAA as we take probably a 250-300 ranking into conference play and then finish in the top 3-4 of the conference destroying the rankings of a lot of teams.
12-06-2017 08:42 AM
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(12-06-2017 08:42 AM)jmufan2008 Wrote:  Pretty sure the Dukes are going to piss off a lot of teams in the CAA as we take probably a 250-300 ranking into conference play and then finish in the top 3-4 of the conference destroying the rankings of a lot of teams.

I hope so! 03-thumbsup

It doesn't really matter though. The CAA is a 1-bid league in about 99% probability. Towson is off to a good start and their current RPI of 33 is reflective of that. But, it won't just be JMU that drags them down even if they play lights out in the CAA. Elon at 68 is the only other CAA team currently with an RPI of less than 152. And, that is being skewed heavily (IMO) by an opening season loss to #1 Duke.

I know the guys are frustrated being 2-7 (especially having let 2 of their last 4 games off the hook late and 1 being robbed by the zebras), but I've seen progress since the beginning of the season with these young'uns and that's encouraging. Really looking forward to the CAA schedule arriving. We started out 3-0 in the CAA last year before losing 7 of our next 8. Hopefully this year the guys can get out to another 3-0 start but then avoid the drop this time around.
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(12-06-2017 08:56 AM)Wear Purple Wrote:  
(12-06-2017 08:42 AM)jmufan2008 Wrote:  Pretty sure the Dukes are going to piss off a lot of teams in the CAA as we take probably a 250-300 ranking into conference play and then finish in the top 3-4 of the conference destroying the rankings of a lot of teams.

I hope so! 03-thumbsup

It doesn't really matter though. The CAA is a 1-bid league in about 99% probability. Towson is off to a good start and their current RPI of 33 is reflective of that. But, it won't just be JMU that drags them down even if they play lights out in the CAA. Elon at 68 is the only other CAA team currently with an RPI of less than 152. And, that is being skewed heavily (IMO) by an opening season loss to #1 Duke.

I know the guys are frustrated being 2-7 (especially having let 2 of their last 4 games off the hook late and 1 being robbed by the zebras), but I've seen progress since the beginning of the season with these young'uns and that's encouraging. Really looking forward to the CAA schedule arriving. We started out 3-0 in the CAA last year before losing 7 of our next 8. Hopefully this year the guys can get out to another 3-0 start but then avoid the drop this time around.

Maybe the CAA can put two in if Towson stays that high, but loses the tourney (to the Dukes). Eh, whatever, wishful thinking. Still far too early to think about that and we've still only won 2 games against D1 teams. Until they show proof that they can consistently close games, there's no reason to get our hopes up.
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(12-06-2017 07:08 AM)NJDuke97 Wrote:  Tough one- thought the Dukes were maybe going to steal that one. I know stealing a game vs the Citadel is not where you want to be as a program but they had trouble adjusting to the style of play. Too many turnovers. Too many uncontested layups and 3s on defense. They slowed the style of play at times to keep the score down but I wonder if they played run and gun if they may have had more success just based on their athletic advantages.

Some positives though in terms of Greg Jones play. Banks was very good as well. McLean continues to struggle shooting although his assist to turnover at 5 to 2 was pretty good. I think where he has also been hurting JMU is on defense. He's smaller and has less quickness than some of the other Dukes guards. It's a tough spot because he's a Senior but I'm not sure he's a starter.

He got burned numerous times on D. Announcers said in game that even if not by design, Citadel would let him shoot those open looks all night.

Not sure why Scissum didn't see the floor in the 2nd half. He played with energy and gave Citadel fits late in the 1st half when the Dukes cut the lead.

Snowden hustled but was totally ineffective and should have been on the bench. Put that one on coaching.
12-06-2017 09:18 AM
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Love this team. All part of the process, they will learn. This freshman group is very, very promising.
12-06-2017 09:33 AM
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Joey's shooting has cost the dukes 3 games. Last night we were up four late and he missed an open corner 3 that would have closed the deal. joey has always been too small to be a great defender but he has always been able to shoot open threes. Its tough to figure out. If he can't hit open shots we can't win.
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(12-06-2017 09:41 AM)Bogey Wrote:  Joey's shooting has cost the dukes 3 games. Last night we were up four late and he missed an open corner 3 that would have closed the deal. joey has always been too small to be a great defender but he has always been able to shoot open threes. Its tough to figure out. If he can't hit open shots we can't win.

Agreed.

On that particularly play last night I said in this thread he should have drove to the bucket since his shot wasn't falling.
12-06-2017 09:58 AM
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Some quick thoughts:

1. That was a bad, bad loss last night. No sugar coating it. Team seemed flat for most of the game. They put together a 24-point swing to go up 7 after down 17 and then reverted to playing like they had before and lost the game in the last two minutes. It was a bad loss because of the late collapse and the huge disparity in talent.
2. This team seems to play its best when pressing and getting out in transition. Perhaps they should do that for the full 40 minutes. It would allow them to play more players and utilize their depth and athleticism and help cover up what appears to be a lack of consistent outside shooting.
3. People call this a young team, but Mosley is a fourth year player, McLean is a fourth year player, Snowden is a fifth year player and Phillips is in his third year, as is Scissom. Smith, on the bench, is also in his fifth year. If they're going to lose to subpar opponents with experience, they might as well go with developing younger players. As has been said, McLean has been awful of late....he didn't do anything positive in the second half last night. I would bench him and bring him off the bench to play a few minutes a game. He's a much better player when he sets his feet....too often now he forces the issue. I haven't zeroed in on him defensively, but his lack of size certainly hurts there.
4. Positives last night were the play of Jones, who is really athletic and can mix it up inside. Banks was also terrific. Lewis seemed to be fatigued.
5. Defensively, this team is still a disaster...I haven't studied the shooting percentages, but it seems like every opponent shoots a high percentage against them. Guys with wide open threes and direct drives to the hoop too often.
6. Seems like the whole is less than the sum of the parts. Ten games in is significant and this team is now 3-7 (with one win versus a D-3), having lost too many close games and not being competitive in others. Gotta develop some defensive toughness, learn to share the ball more, play to their strengths and figure out a rotation or this is going to be another lost season.
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(12-06-2017 11:29 AM)Dukes84 Wrote:  Some quick thoughts:

1. That was a bad, bad loss last night. No sugar coating it. Team seemed flat for most of the game. They put together a 24-point swing to go up 7 after down 17 and then reverted to playing like they had before and lost the game in the last two minutes. It was a bad loss because of the late collapse and the huge disparity in talent.
2. This team seems to play its best when pressing and getting out in transition. Perhaps they should do that for the full 40 minutes. It would allow them to play more players and utilize their depth and athleticism and help cover up what appears to be a lack of consistent outside shooting.
3. People call this a young team, but Mosley is a fourth year player, McLean is a fourth year player, Snowden is a fifth year player and Phillips is in his third year, as is Scissom. Smith, on the bench, is also in his fifth year. If they're going to lose to subpar opponents with experience, they might as well go with developing younger players. As has been said, McLean has been awful of late....he didn't do anything positive in the second half last night. I would bench him and bring him off the bench to play a few minutes a game. He's a much better player when he sets his feet....too often now he forces the issue. I haven't zeroed in on him defensively, but his lack of size certainly hurts there.
4. Positives last night were the play of Jones, who is really athletic and can mix it up inside. Banks was also terrific. Lewis seemed to be fatigued.
5. Defensively, this team is still a disaster...I haven't studied the shooting percentages, but it seems like every opponent shoots a high percentage against them. Guys with wide open threes and direct drives to the hoop too often.
6. Seems like the whole is less than the sum of the parts. Ten games in is significant and this team is now 3-7 (with one win versus a D-3), having lost too many close games and not being competitive in others. Gotta develop some defensive toughness, learn to share the ball more, play to their strengths and figure out a rotation or this is going to be another lost season.

I think it needs to be put in perspective though. Scissum might be in his third year, but he had played in 13 college basketball games prior to JMU, obviously not being a significant contributor or getting significant minutes. Phillips had played 10 games at the D1 level. Mosley, I think we can all agree, has been great. Mclean and Snowden have no excuse. I think the future is bright.
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(12-06-2017 11:29 AM)Dukes84 Wrote:  Some quick thoughts:

1. That was a bad, bad loss last night. No sugar coating it. Team seemed flat for most of the game. They put together a 24-point swing to go up 7 after down 17 and then reverted to playing like they had before and lost the game in the last two minutes. It was a bad loss because of the late collapse and the huge disparity in talent.
2. This team seems to play its best when pressing and getting out in transition. Perhaps they should do that for the full 40 minutes. It would allow them to play more players and utilize their depth and athleticism and help cover up what appears to be a lack of consistent outside shooting.
3. People call this a young team, but Mosley is a fourth year player, McLean is a fourth year player, Snowden is a fifth year player and Phillips is in his third year, as is Scissom. Smith, on the bench, is also in his fifth year. If they're going to lose to subpar opponents with experience, they might as well go with developing younger players. As has been said, McLean has been awful of late....he didn't do anything positive in the second half last night. I would bench him and bring him off the bench to play a few minutes a game. He's a much better player when he sets his feet....too often now he forces the issue. I haven't zeroed in on him defensively, but his lack of size certainly hurts there.
4. Positives last night were the play of Jones, who is really athletic and can mix it up inside. Banks was also terrific. Lewis seemed to be fatigued.
5. Defensively, this team is still a disaster...I haven't studied the shooting percentages, but it seems like every opponent shoots a high percentage against them. Guys with wide open threes and direct drives to the hoop too often.
6. Seems like the whole is less than the sum of the parts. Ten games in is significant and this team is now 3-7 (with one win versus a D-3), having lost too many close games and not being competitive in others. Gotta develop some defensive toughness, learn to share the ball more, play to their strengths and figure out a rotation or this is going to be another lost season.

Thank You for the Honesty
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Awful loss no other way to describe it.
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Hard not to be critical when RPI is projected currently at 340 and the team is projected to lose 14 of its next 21 games to get to 9 D-1 wins on the season.
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I was there. The sophomore pg Johnson was 5'5" tall per Citadel program and the best player on the court. At that height he was obviously overlooked by many, and JMU too? He ran the floor as a true, tough pg and scored the last 6 points to put them in the lead.

Citadel had just as many young players as JMU. There is a bit more athleticism on JMU, but Citadel played better as a team. If JMU had had Johnson they would have won by at least 10.
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(12-06-2017 05:20 PM)Middle-aged-Duke Wrote:  I was there. The sophomore pg Johnson was 5'5" tall per Citadel program and the best player on the court. At that height he was obviously overlooked by many, and JMU too? He ran the floor as a true, tough pg and scored the last 6 points to put them in the lead.

Citadel had just as many young players as JMU. There is a bit more athleticism on JMU, but Citadel played better as a team. If JMU had had Johnson they would have won by at least 10.

I agree that it hurts JMU not to have a true PG, no question. Hopefully that kid that's coming in next season can shore up that area. They could also use more shooting and better team concepts on offense and defense.
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they gotta make shots. that's it.

from what i've seen, that is the issue. and defense. but better D sometimes comes from experience. Getting out of the AAU/HS/Juco mindset and realizing you actually have to PLAY D in D1.

other than that, it's about simply making shots. From what I've seen, we have been able to get good open shots. We just don't make them at a good enough rate or when they are really needed.
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