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(12-06-2017 12:36 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
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(12-04-2017 11:32 PM)Jjoey52 Wrote:  Don’t understand the fascination with CSU, they are very mediocre in the MW, they did get basketball last year for the first time in forever.


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If the Big 12 didn’t have West Virginia, I think going west would be best. A combo of New Mexico/CSU/BYU would be good. Not the best, but would be stable.


Agree with the premise of going west, but you picked 2 schools that traditionally suck in football especially UNM. SDSU, BYU and Boise would bring much more to the table. Add Fresno as a 4th so they all would have travel partners. IMHO the Big 12 is adding no one until someone leaves though.


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You evaluate schools on what they bring if 2-10 not if 10-2. Remember Presidents are the ones who vote, and things like academic standing and prestige matter more than W-L on the football field. The thinking goes, sports ups and downs come and go, but you are stuck associated with the institution for 100 years. Ask yourself do you want your brand associated with Memphis?

Colorado State is part of the west, growing almost twice as rapidly as the south, and already more populous than several southern states (will pass Tennessee, Kentucky, Missouri, and Louisiana over the next 15-20 years, as well as Indiana and Minnesota). In terms of research dollars there are 3 G5 under consideration who are above KU and ISU: USF, Cincy, and Colorado State. UConn is not far off, behind KU and ISU but ahead of OU.

These are important considerations. Add schools like Rice and Tulane with top admissions, and even BYU and you have almost the entire finalist list. UCF and Houston are much lower but still in the consideration band, as they are at least ahead of oSu.

Admission standards and research level were definitely a "cut factor"

Research:
A = USF, Cincy, CSU, UConn, Rice, Tulane
B = UCF, Houston (not quite making the cut were Temple and New Mexico who are ahead of UCF and Houston)
Admission Standards:
A = Rice, Tulane
B = BYU, UConn (SMU would go here, but cut for overlapping TCU in DFW metro)
the rest get a "C" on admission standards (Memphis and ECU would get "D" ratings)

Everyone else was cut. The next thing you look at is athletics, and more about the funding and ability to grow. Who is hot now is often a factor of coaches, and the good ones get hired away (e.g., Herman, Frost), so you do not rank that as high. The only "Brand" in the bunch is BYU - but they have issues off the field (Baylor situation didn't help them). You could argue UConn Basketball is a brand, but it's football.

That is the list, and that is where it sits. Those are the factor which weigh most heavily on Presidents when they make 100 year decisions. It's a different list than fans have.

Used to be that way. No more. Now you evaluate schools on how much money they bring to to the conference. If nobody brings in more than they take--then the expansion conversation pretty much stops dead in its tracks (unless a conference has to expand simply to survive).

The factors you are talking about are all tie breakers after money. If the school isnt a net monetary gain to the conference---it doesn't matter what their academics are. So, to the degree that winning games attracts fans, tv ratings, and TV money--it can effectively outweigh academics to the extent that it is generally required to clear the all important "is there a reason to expand" hurdle. What we have seen of late is that some conferences are willing to overlook some minimal academic warts if they can potentially add to conference treasury. For instance--Louisville getting the nod over UConn. The only reason for that was Louisville football wins more games. 04-cheers

Memphis wasn't even on the list. Personally, I think they have more potential than any G5 but BYU because of the lack of professional competition. That was absolutely because of academics.
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(12-06-2017 11:15 AM)BadgerMJ Wrote:  
(12-06-2017 10:39 AM)billybobby777 Wrote:  AAC: none. Big 12 wants:
1. Arkansas
2. Nebraska
3. Missouri
4. Clemson
5. Florida St
6. Georgia Tech

I want an Aston Martin, doesn't mean I'm gonna get one.

Why would any of those schools leave their big $$$ successful conference for one that might not be around in less that 10 years.....

...not only that, didn't the first three once live in the dysfunctional family headed by Texas? And would want no part of a conference where every decision is made in Austin.
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Great article from yesterday. This guy clearly get it.

http://collegefootballnews.com/2017/12/b...our-answer
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(12-06-2017 03:59 PM)Sellular1 Wrote:  Great article from yesterday. This guy clearly get it.

http://collegefootballnews.com/2017/12/b...our-answer

No he doesn't. Read it, it's just a cheerleader piece begging B12 to add the Florida schools as a pair. He does zero examination into the individual merits of either school as an institution and strictly looks at it from a single data point, CFP access, and even that he gets wrong.

The B12 has no reason to expand. We have done playoffs for 3 years and now P12, B12, B1G have all not had teams in. SEC is the first with 2 in. But beyond that, the revenues per school does not call for expansion, it might even get worse with expansion even new schools taking a 50% revenue haircut (and they get zero equity in any network unlike ACC, P12 and B1G).

B12 is likely to see OU and others leave in 2025, and only then would it make sense to add schools. When they do, the "Florida Twins" will be separated and evaluated independently as institutions. The Med school and higher level of research at USF will rank that school far ahead of UCF. But Cincy and Colorado State are at about the same R&D level and UConn is close. UCF ranks quite a bit lower on both prestige and research, so they would have to be on a TCU level run to overcome that.

Again 2025, not 2020.
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Want us or not, running Iowa State out of the stadium will be even more than beating Kansas senseless the last 2 years. I just wish we had gotten Texas instead of ISU. Putting 50+ on the Longhorns would have been a blast
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(12-05-2017 05:27 AM)XLance Wrote:  If the Big 12 survives, things might get creative.
Louisville and Cincinnati for 12, adding Houston and Memphis for 14.

Why would Louisville ever leave the ACC?

Well if Notre Dame wanted to join the ACC, ESPN might ask them to move.

I know ESPN is powerful but I just don't see that happening.
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I would add UC for WVU rival for now... 11 clubs, 9 conf games. AAC can replace them with an Army or Marshall or maybe a BYU in the West and Navy in the East.

In the next expansion round, add UCF/USF and Houston if you can get a great TV deal in place. If not Houston, go with Tulane if they can show some improvement.
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(12-06-2017 04:53 PM)Gamecock Wrote:  
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(12-05-2017 05:27 AM)XLance Wrote:  If the Big 12 survives, things might get creative.
Louisville and Cincinnati for 12, adding Houston and Memphis for 14.

Why would Louisville ever leave the ACC?

Well if Notre Dame wanted to join the ACC, ESPN might ask them to move.

I know ESPN is powerful but I just don't see that happening.

Let's rephrase. Notre Dame would ask the ACC to lose a team, the ACC would ask UL to leave, ESPN would make it worth their while.

Now I don't think Notre Dame is joining the ACC, but if they did, 16 really limits scheduling flexibility and that is key to making ND happy.
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I don’t want the B12 to add any aac team. The b12 isn’t long for this world and I don’t want any part of that dysfunction and ineptitude. Unless you’re OU or UT, you’re not getting into the playoffs in that conference.
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(12-07-2017 08:07 PM)jaredf29 Wrote:  I don’t want the B12 to add any aac team. The b12 isn’t long for this world and I don’t want any part of that dysfunction and ineptitude. Unless you’re OU or UT, you’re not getting into the playoffs in that conference.

Yeah OK.... If you're in the B12 and beat OU and UT while going undefeated you are the #1 seed for the playoffs. Oh and BTW, the conference pays $35 million per team. Go ahead and stay in the AAC and your NY6 Pity Party Bowl.
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In reality, the current Big 12 would want BYU and UConn for brand purposes, but politics would mean that Houston would likely be involved and then Cincy would be a strong choice for #14. The Big 12 won't do anything until the TV deal ends though and by that point Texas and Oklahoma will be gone.

As far as now, only 11 schools made the final list for the Big 12, and Memphis and Boise State weren't among them so I don't get why they keep getting mentioned.
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(12-07-2017 09:23 PM)Sellular1 Wrote:  
(12-07-2017 08:07 PM)jaredf29 Wrote:  I don’t want the B12 to add any aac team. The b12 isn’t long for this world and I don’t want any part of that dysfunction and ineptitude. Unless you’re OU or UT, you’re not getting into the playoffs in that conference.

Yeah OK.... If you're in the B12 and beat OU and UT while going undefeated you are the #1 seed for the playoffs. Oh and BTW, the conference pays $35 million per team. Go ahead and stay in the AAC and your NY6 Pity Party Bowl.

Relax you have as much chance getting into the B12 as you do winning a championship. Pity party ny6 bowl? I’d say act like you’ve been there before but you haven’t.
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(12-04-2017 09:32 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  FSU
Clemson
Arizona
Arizona State

I forget where I heard the rumor, but Arizona and Arizona State supposedly were mulling the idea of switching over to the Big 12 if finances didn't improve. Conversations were apparently strong enough to table all considerations to the current AAC schools. That could just be a terrible rumor, but it might explain the lack of seriousness from the B12 during their expansion interviews last summer or the year before.
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(12-04-2017 09:32 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  FSU
Clemson
Arizona
Arizona State

I forget where I heard the rumor, but Arizona and Arizona State supposedly were mulling the idea of switching over to the Big 12 if finances didn't improve. Conversations were apparently strong enough to table all considerations to the current AAC schools. That could just be a terrible rumor, but it might explain the lack of seriousness from the B12 during their expansion interviews last summer or the year before.

Here is the daily Ok Article on the subject:
http://newsok.com/article/5474834

Many folk's who post about the Big 12's future demise
Might B "shocked" when all the new TV/Streaming
contracts R settled in 2024/25
OU & Texas will still B where they are.

OU/Texas can get alot more mileage PR/$$$/Power/Control
being in the Big 12 vs. joining another conference

Remember Big 12 already has unequal revenue distribution
favoring the larger schools like OU/Texas
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(12-04-2017 08:59 PM)Erictelevision Wrote:  Of: Houston, SMU, Tulane, and Tulsa rank them by how likely the Big XII would want them.

And also: would CSU, BYU or UNM be of interest?

They don't want anyone until 2025 when the GOR's are up. They made that decision earlier this year when ESPN paid them not to expand. 04-cheers
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(12-08-2017 06:46 AM)murrdcu Wrote:  
(12-04-2017 09:32 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  FSU
Clemson
Arizona
Arizona State

I forget where I heard the rumor, but Arizona and Arizona State supposedly were mulling the idea of switching over to the Big 12 if finances didn't improve. Conversations were apparently strong enough to table all considerations to the current AAC schools. That could just be a terrible rumor, but it might explain the lack of seriousness from the B12 during their expansion interviews last summer or the year before.


I do not buy that rumor for a second. The Arizona Schools needs California for recruiting reasons. It would be dumb for them to leave the PAC....
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(12-08-2017 09:58 AM)HHOOTter Wrote:  
(12-08-2017 06:46 AM)murrdcu Wrote:  
(12-04-2017 09:32 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  FSU
Clemson
Arizona
Arizona State

I forget where I heard the rumor, but Arizona and Arizona State supposedly were mulling the idea of switching over to the Big 12 if finances didn't improve. Conversations were apparently strong enough to table all considerations to the current AAC schools. That could just be a terrible rumor, but it might explain the lack of seriousness from the B12 during their expansion interviews last summer or the year before.

Here is the daily Ok Article on the subject:
http://newsok.com/article/5474834

Many folk's who post about the Big 12's future demise
Might B "shocked" when all the new TV/Streaming
contracts R settled in 2024/25
OU & Texas will still B where they are.

OU/Texas can get alot more mileage PR/$$$/Power/Control
being in the Big 12 vs. joining another conference

Remember Big 12 already has unequal revenue distribution
favoring the larger schools like OU/Texas

I know its against the conventional wisdom which expects a Big12 demise in 2024--but I agree with you. In the final analysis--the Big12 is still and will remain the best location for Oklahoma and Texas--even in 2024. 04-cheers
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SC-Knight: that seems to make sense for everyone involved. I assume anything earlier triggers lawsuits?
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(12-08-2017 11:45 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(12-08-2017 09:58 AM)HHOOTter Wrote:  
(12-08-2017 06:46 AM)murrdcu Wrote:  
(12-04-2017 09:32 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  FSU
Clemson
Arizona
Arizona State

I forget where I heard the rumor, but Arizona and Arizona State supposedly were mulling the idea of switching over to the Big 12 if finances didn't improve. Conversations were apparently strong enough to table all considerations to the current AAC schools. That could just be a terrible rumor, but it might explain the lack of seriousness from the B12 during their expansion interviews last summer or the year before.

Here is the daily Ok Article on the subject:
http://newsok.com/article/5474834

Many folk's who post about the Big 12's future demise
Might B "shocked" when all the new TV/Streaming
contracts R settled in 2024/25
OU & Texas will still B where they are.

OU/Texas can get alot more mileage PR/$$$/Power/Control
being in the Big 12 vs. joining another conference

Remember Big 12 already has unequal revenue distribution
favoring the larger schools like OU/Texas

I know its against the conventional wisdom which expects a Big12 demise in 2024--but I agree with you. In the final analysis--the Big12 is still and will remain the best location for Oklahoma and Texas--even in 2024. 04-cheers

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