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(12-07-2017 04:07 PM)Tribeheart Wrote:  GMU board is in full meltdown.

I see that the A-10 is not one of the CSNBBS boards. Can you please provide the link to the GMU board so that we all can partake and enjoy? Thanks!
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(12-07-2017 04:07 PM)Tribeheart Wrote:  GMU board is in full meltdown. Amazed at how rival fans think that a team picked to finish 10th in a bad A10 year are still above a loss to a CAA team at home. Tempted to post a message: Get used to it because you won't win in Williamsburg next year either. Might as well stop playing us, so, you can protect yourself from reality. CAA CAA CAA.


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I love that their excuses are... a) it is a young team b) they had transfers in the off-season c) they only have 8 scholarship guys.

Do they realize that is almost an exact description for this tribe team (save we have 9 plus a grad transfer)? Each of those factors hurt, but bottom line, you have to get the job done.

The top of the A10 is strong, but the fall off is substantial. There is much more parity in the CAA.
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(12-07-2017 04:20 PM)Zorch Wrote:  
(12-07-2017 04:07 PM)Tribeheart Wrote:  GMU board is in full meltdown.

I see that the A-10 is not one of the CSNBBS boards. Can you please provide the link to the GMU board so that we all can partake and enjoy? Thanks!
http://www.masonhoops.com/board/forums/hoops/

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It's really hard for the former CAA teams to admit that we may have actually improved since they left. Mason hasn't really been successful since they left for the A-10, and ODU mortgaged their everything for a football program. VCU had something going with Smart, but they seem to be regressing to the mean within the A-10; sill a solid program, but not knocking on the top 25 anymore.
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(12-07-2017 04:18 PM)Zorch Wrote:  Before someone asks me to provide substantiating data about FTs, let me just say this: I have seen and listened to enough Tribe games over the years to definitively know that we have LOST many, many games that we coulda/shoulda won if we had been able to shoot free throws better.

March 10, 2014...3-11

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(12-07-2017 05:38 PM)hktribefan Wrote:  It's really hard for the former CAA teams to admit that we may have actually improved since they left. Mason hasn't really been successful since they left for the A-10, and ODU mortgaged their everything for a football program. VCU had something going with Smart, but they seem to be regressing to the mean within the A-10; sill a solid program, but not knocking on the top 25 anymore.
You were very kind to not mention Richmond.

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(12-07-2017 05:39 PM)Tribeheart Wrote:  
(12-07-2017 04:18 PM)Zorch Wrote:  Before someone asks me to provide substantiating data about FTs, let me just say this: I have seen and listened to enough Tribe games over the years to definitively know that we have LOST many, many games that we coulda/shoulda won if we had been able to shoot free throws better.

March 10, 2014...3-11

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I destinctly remember a certain front end of a 1 and 1 that Omar missed against Delaware in the title game that was costly.
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(12-07-2017 05:34 PM)Tribeheart Wrote:  
(12-07-2017 04:20 PM)Zorch Wrote:  
(12-07-2017 04:07 PM)Tribeheart Wrote:  GMU board is in full meltdown.

I see that the A-10 is not one of the CSNBBS boards. Can you please provide the link to the GMU board so that we all can partake and enjoy? Thanks!
http://www.masonhoops.com/board/forums/hoops/

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I really enjoyed this:

"I HATE PAULSEN. AT LEAST HEWITT BEAT WILLIAM & MARY

What's the difference between Dave Paulsen and a mosquito?
- A mosquito stops sucking."

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(12-07-2017 04:20 PM)Zorch Wrote:  
(12-07-2017 04:07 PM)Tribeheart Wrote:  GMU board is in full meltdown.

I see that the A-10 is not one of the CSNBBS boards. Can you please provide the link to the GMU board so that we all can partake and enjoy? Thanks!
Just Google masonhoops or gnu messageboard

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(12-07-2017 05:39 PM)Tribeheart Wrote:  
(12-07-2017 04:18 PM)Zorch Wrote:  Before someone asks me to provide substantiating data about FTs, let me just say this: I have seen and listened to enough Tribe games over the years to definitively know that we have LOST many, many games that we coulda/shoulda won if we had been able to shoot free throws better.

March 10, 2014...3-11

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Curse you Tribeheart. 3/10/14 and 12/11/09 are the two most painful dates in recent Tribe history. A lot of great, talented, and dedicated Tribe athletes on both teams.
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Shaver's postgame interview was candid and basically mentioned everything we've said on this thread. I recommend watching it.

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(12-07-2017 06:16 PM)TribePride91 Wrote:  
(12-07-2017 05:39 PM)Tribeheart Wrote:  
(12-07-2017 04:18 PM)Zorch Wrote:  Before someone asks me to provide substantiating data about FTs, let me just say this: I have seen and listened to enough Tribe games over the years to definitively know that we have LOST many, many games that we coulda/shoulda won if we had been able to shoot free throws better.

March 10, 2014...3-11

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Curse you Tribeheart. 3/10/14 and 12/11/09 are the two most painful dates in recent Tribe history. A lot of great, talented, and dedicated Tribe athletes on both teams.

My heart was permanently wounded on 3/10/14. My toes have not been the same since 12/11/09.
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Watched Tony's comments and the highlights(since I was a radio listener). Obviously, Coach and this team are having a LOT of fun doing this together. But, it is not a bunch of divas, they are genuinely excited for each other. Did the Jamaica trip start all this? Is it individual work ethic? Team chemistry? I don't know, but there is definitely something very different about this team.

Not trying to disrespect any former Tribe teams or forget the contributions of so many, but I am stunned at what is happening with this particular group of guys this season. I just hope we don't go crazy the next time we lose a game. Not predicting anything, but when was the last time we won 3 straight on the road? No better evidence of their efforts than the foul shooting so far. Amazing that it is so much better. Before this is over, you might even be able to get nj alum, me, Rocco and Tribal to all agree on something.

Also, reading the Mason board comments made me laugh repeatedly. I guess we haven't played a single game since they left the CAA.
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I'm actually surprised by *some* of the reasonable posts on the GMU board. Sure, it holds a healthy dose of how can we lose to W&M, fire the coach, budgets, refs, missed opportunities, the lowly CAA, etc, but quite a few seem to be level-headed and posed thoughtful questions. I mean, they still suck and I hate them, but you get my drift.

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(12-07-2017 06:57 PM)TribePride91 Wrote:  Watched Tony's comments and the highlights(since I was a radio listener). Obviously, Coach and this team are having a LOT of fun doing this together. But, it is not a bunch of divas, they are genuinely excited for each other. Did the Jamaica trip start all this? Is it individual work ethic? Team chemistry? I don't know, but there is definitely something very different about this team.

Not trying to disrespect any former Tribe teams or forget the contributions of so many, but I am stunned at what is happening with this particular group of guys this season. I just hope we don't go crazy the next time we lose a game. Not predicting anything, but when was the last time we won 3 straight on the road? No better evidence of their efforts than the foul shooting so far. Amazing that it is so much better. Before this is over, you might even be able to get nj alum, me, Rocco and Tribal to all agree on something.

Also, reading the Mason board comments made me laugh repeatedly. I guess we haven't played a single game since they left the CAA.

We had a similar experience in Omar & Daniel's freshman year, where the trip abroad led to a strong team atmosphere. The last team that was this much fun, though, was the Schneider/Sumner 2010 team.
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(12-07-2017 01:14 PM)Pete24 Wrote:  The Tribe is now shooting 80.9% from the free throw line, 5th in the NCAA. The team's improvement on the line, from last year, is amazing. I'd like to know what Shaver did in the off-season to improve their free throw shooting. Obvious answer is that they are practicing free throw shots more, but I be there is more to it than that. Hope Jay & Charlie ask him that question in one of their interviews ...

Cohn has 22 attempts, Pierce 17 and Milon 11. Pierce only had 27 attempts last year so I'm not sure we have a true idea of his FT shooting abilities yet. Cohn was an 83% shooter in 2016 before shooting 73% last year and 79% as a freshman, so it's not outlandish to think he's an 80%+ FT shooter and last year was the down year. I'm sure I'll be called a bad fan and hater for thinking Milon won't continue to make 100% of his attempts but I'm okay with that. He did go 14-14 at BC so maybe he is the greatest FT shooter to ever live.

Last year Whitman/Knight averaged a combined 8.4 FT attempts/game. This year Knight's averaging 8.1 attempts/game. I'm skeptical that there's a team-wide improvement since we're dealing with a lot of small numbers for just about everyone, but it sure looks like Knight's a lot better at it and that's what is making the biggest difference. Knight could miss his next 20 free throws and still be shooting better than he did last year.

In the season ticket package this year there was a pledge sheet that was tied to FT shooting. I think the team target was 72.5% on at least 10 FT in order to trigger the pledge in each game. That along with Shaver's quote about shooting a lot more in practice leads me to believe that we're legitimately better as a result of more emphasis on FT in practice.
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(12-07-2017 05:34 PM)Tribeheart Wrote:  
(12-07-2017 04:20 PM)Zorch Wrote:  
(12-07-2017 04:07 PM)Tribeheart Wrote:  GMU board is in full meltdown.

I see that the A-10 is not one of the CSNBBS boards. Can you please provide the link to the GMU board so that we all can partake and enjoy? Thanks!
http://www.masonhoops.com/board/forums/hoops/

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Thanks Tribeheart !
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Here's the problem with shooting. It is like gambling. It is inconsistent and unpredictable. Defense, on the other hand, is reliable.
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(12-07-2017 07:42 PM)TribeInTheBurg Wrote:  
(12-07-2017 02:07 PM)Rocco Wrote:  
(12-07-2017 01:14 PM)Pete24 Wrote:  The Tribe is now shooting 80.9% from the free throw line, 5th in the NCAA. The team's improvement on the line, from last year, is amazing. I'd like to know what Shaver did in the off-season to improve their free throw shooting. Obvious answer is that they are practicing free throw shots more, but I be there is more to it than that. Hope Jay & Charlie ask him that question in one of their interviews ...

Cohn has 22 attempts, Pierce 17 and Milon 11. Pierce only had 27 attempts last year so I'm not sure we have a true idea of his FT shooting abilities yet. Cohn was an 83% shooter in 2016 before shooting 73% last year and 79% as a freshman, so it's not outlandish to think he's an 80%+ FT shooter and last year was the down year. I'm sure I'll be called a bad fan and hater for thinking Milon won't continue to make 100% of his attempts but I'm okay with that. He did go 14-14 at BC so maybe he is the greatest FT shooter to ever live.

Last year Whitman/Knight averaged a combined 8.4 FT attempts/game. This year Knight's averaging 8.1 attempts/game. I'm skeptical that there's a team-wide improvement since we're dealing with a lot of small numbers for just about everyone, but it sure looks like Knight's a lot better at it and that's what is making the biggest difference. Knight could miss his next 20 free throws and still be shooting better than he did last year.

In the season ticket package this year there was a pledge sheet that was tied to FT shooting. I think the team target was 72.5% on at least 10 FT in order to trigger the pledge in each game. That along with Shaver's quote about shooting a lot more in practice leads me to believe that we're legitimately better as a result of more emphasis on FT in practice.

Last year W&M averaged 22.2 FT attempts/game. This year they're attempting 17.6 attempts/game. Playing with it a little:

-As mentioned before, Knight/Whitman (8.4 attempts, 59.6% combined) has been replaced by Knight (8.1 attempts, 80%)
-Dixon (4.9 attempts, 87%) has been replaced by Cohn and Pierce (4.9 attempts, 87%)
-Cohn 2017 (1.7 attempts, 73%) has been replaced by Milon (1.4 attempts, 100%)
-Pierce 2016 (.9 attempts, 63%) has been replaced by Burchfield (1 attempt, 75%)
-No one's replaced Prewitt (3.9 attempts, 64.7%), and that's why attempts are down this year

Those combinations account for 19.8 (89%) of their attempts last season and 15.5 (88%) this season. The point of this exercise is not to dump on Prewitt. Even if he wasn't making those shots he was racking up fouls on the opponent along with everything else he did.

I think as a team they are better at FTs, but most of them have shot so few FTs that it's hard to say yet if it's real. The one guy who has shot a lot of attempts has seen his numbers spike, so it looks like his improvement is real. The big thing is that they replaced two 60% shooters with an 80% shooter and no longer carrying a 64% shooter.
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(12-07-2017 06:57 PM)TribePride91 Wrote:  Watched Tony's comments and the highlights(since I was a radio listener). Obviously, Coach and this team are having a LOT of fun doing this together. But, it is not a bunch of divas, they are genuinely excited for each other. Did the Jamaica trip start all this? Is it individual work ethic? Team chemistry? I don't know, but there is definitely something very different about this team.

Not trying to disrespect any former Tribe teams or forget the contributions of so many, but I am stunned at what is happening with this particular group of guys this season. I just hope we don't go crazy the next time we lose a game. Not predicting anything, but when was the last time we won 3 straight on the road? No better evidence of their efforts than the foul shooting so far. Amazing that it is so much better. Before this is over, you might even be able to get nj alum, me, Rocco and Tribal to all agree on something.

Also, reading the Mason board comments made me laugh repeatedly. I guess we haven't played a single game since they left the CAA.

I'm a little concerned that you think I'm going to suffer a traumatic brain injury and get injected with lethal amounts of Kool-Aid.
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