(12-04-2017 11:57 PM)fanhood Wrote:  

(12-04-2017 11:55 PM)oliveandblue Wrote:  The current AAC + Boise State + SDSU = tweener conference in 3-4 years. I think the league would have a shot.

Like I have always said, show us about $5m-$6m a year, a move Navy to the East, and we are in. Unfortunately, I do not think that the AAC will get those sort of dollars.

I don't see either parking their 20+ win b ball teams in the big west. 2 less cusa teams needed to be invited and 2 more mwc would have needed to want to come at the time.

(12-05-2017 12:03 AM)EDLUVAR Wrote:  

(12-04-2017 11:57 PM)fanhood Wrote:  

(12-04-2017 11:55 PM)oliveandblue Wrote:  The current AAC + Boise State + SDSU = tweener conference in 3-4 years. I think the league would have a shot.

Like I have always said, show us about $5m-$6m a year, a move Navy to the East, and we are in. Unfortunately, I do not think that the AAC will get those sort of dollars.

I don't see either parking their 20+ win b ball teams in the big west. 2 less cusa teams needed to be invited and 2 more mwc would have needed to want to come at the time.

Oh no, the assumption would be a full invite.

(12-04-2017 11:55 PM)oliveandblue Wrote:  The current AAC + Boise State + SDSU = tweener conference in 3-4 years. I think the league would have a shot.

I say the AAC should go hard after BYU... And if BYU refuses than we simply remain as we are.

(12-05-2017 12:08 AM)BigHouston Wrote:  

(12-04-2017 11:55 PM)oliveandblue Wrote:  The current AAC + Boise State + SDSU = tweener conference in 3-4 years. I think the league would have a shot.

I say the AAC should go hard after BYU... And if BYU refuses than we simply remain as we are.

Well, BYU will never join you. You just don't know BYU.

(12-04-2017 11:55 PM)oliveandblue Wrote:  The current AAC + Boise State + SDSU = tweener conference in 3-4 years. I think the league would have a shot.

we're already a tweener conferene by most measurable metrics and the media is already starting to acknowledge it...

i dont get your premise of adding other top teams and maybe in a few year we'll be right were we are now

(12-05-2017 12:09 AM)fanhood Wrote:  

(12-05-2017 12:08 AM)BigHouston Wrote:  

(12-04-2017 11:55 PM)oliveandblue Wrote:  The current AAC + Boise State + SDSU = tweener conference in 3-4 years. I think the league would have a shot.

I say the AAC should go hard after BYU... And if BYU refuses than we simply remain as we are.

Well, BYU will never join you. You just don't know BYU.

google byu and aac.....a huge movements within their fan-base has began to push for the AAC...if they suck again next year...legitimate talks will begin about the jump

(12-05-2017 12:51 AM)pesik Wrote:  

(12-05-2017 12:09 AM)fanhood Wrote:  

(12-05-2017 12:08 AM)BigHouston Wrote:  

(12-04-2017 11:55 PM)oliveandblue Wrote:  The current AAC + Boise State + SDSU = tweener conference in 3-4 years. I think the league would have a shot.

I say the AAC should go hard after BYU... And if BYU refuses than we simply remain as we are.

Well, BYU will never join you. You just don't know BYU.

google byu and aac.....a huge movements within their fan-base has began to push for the AAC...if they suck again next year...legitimate talks will begin about the jump

This is the last I heard. I don't see them joining any conference as the reason they went Indy was Utah joining the PAC.

https://www.ksl.com/?nid=294&sid=46042180

(12-05-2017 01:07 AM)EDLUVAR Wrote:  

(12-05-2017 12:51 AM)pesik Wrote:  

(12-05-2017 12:09 AM)fanhood Wrote:  

(12-05-2017 12:08 AM)BigHouston Wrote:  

(12-04-2017 11:55 PM)oliveandblue Wrote:  The current AAC + Boise State + SDSU = tweener conference in 3-4 years. I think the league would have a shot.

I say the AAC should go hard after BYU... And if BYU refuses than we simply remain as we are.

Well, BYU will never join you. You just don't know BYU.

google byu and aac.....a huge movements within their fan-base has began to push for the AAC...if they suck again next year...legitimate talks will begin about the jump

This is the last I heard. I don't see them joining any conference as the reason they went Indy was Utah joining the PAC.

https://www.ksl.com/?nid=294&sid=46042180

that was before they sucked, that was before the AAC was perceived aas a tweener...
their bet writer literally posted a poll 2-3 weeks ago if it was time to jump to the aac ...40 % said yes....it'll less than 50...but if that was 2 years ago that would have been less than 10 percent and the beat writer wouldnt have even asked...there is a growing movement

(12-05-2017 01:26 AM)pesik Wrote:  

(12-05-2017 01:07 AM)EDLUVAR Wrote:  

(12-05-2017 12:51 AM)pesik Wrote:  

(12-05-2017 12:09 AM)fanhood Wrote:  

(12-05-2017 12:08 AM)BigHouston Wrote:  I say the AAC should go hard after BYU... And if BYU refuses than we simply remain as we are.

Well, BYU will never join you. You just don't know BYU.

google byu and aac.....a huge movements within their fan-base has began to push for the AAC...if they suck again next year...legitimate talks will begin about the jump

This is the last I heard. I don't see them joining any conference as the reason they went Indy was Utah joining the PAC.

https://www.ksl.com/?nid=294&sid=46042180

that was before they sucked, that was before the AAC was perceived aas a tweener...
their bet writer literally posted a poll 2-3 weeks ago if it was time to jump to the aac ...40 % said yes....it'll less than 50...but if that was 2 years ago that would have been less than 10 percent and the beat writer wouldnt have even asked...there is a growing movement

Dude that was October 4th of this year. There have been several polls with "fans" voting to go back to the mwc. It ain't happening till the big 12 shakeup

Well I asked the question if adding Boise or SDSU would matter for Playoff consideration....I ask the same if we add BYU f it doesn't..... i don't see the benefit of adding anyone ...

(12-05-2017 12:09 AM)fanhood Wrote:  

(12-05-2017 12:08 AM)BigHouston Wrote:  

(12-04-2017 11:55 PM)oliveandblue Wrote:  The current AAC + Boise State + SDSU = tweener conference in 3-4 years. I think the league would have a shot.

I say the AAC should go hard after BYU... And if BYU refuses than we simply remain as we are.

Well, BYU will never join you. You just don't know BYU.

I agree, which is why we need to stand pat. Go get some more TV $$ separate from G4 even more. and keep on keeping on as a p6 conf.

(12-04-2017 07:22 PM)fanhood Wrote:  

(12-04-2017 04:21 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(12-04-2017 04:19 PM)fanhood Wrote:  

(12-04-2017 04:04 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(12-04-2017 12:49 PM)fanhood Wrote:  Much like SDSU would not have benefited from beating a 6-6 UCLA P5 program, USF does not benefit from beating a 6-6 P5 Texas Tech program.

IF you beat them, you beat an average team. If you lose to them, you lost to a team that had a losing record in their own conference.

USF will benefit more by beating Tech than SDSU beating Army.

Agree to disagree. Neither benefits. Texas Tech went 3-6 in conference, and Army is Army.

You cannot have it both ways. You cannot claim to want to be considered as one of the big boys, and that your conference is P6 or a High Major, then want credit for beating a team that finished 8th in a 10 team race.

Spin it whatever way you want.

You are the one trying to spin it. If you truly believe that beating Army in a bowl carries as much weight as beating a team from a power league then you really haven’t been paying attention to college football.

Again, spin. Didn't say that. I said neither carries weight. But good luck anyway.

No spin. You are saying BOTH carry no weight so you basically imply they are the same.
Nice try but wrong again. Keep spinning you seem to like that very much.
I guess you also agree that beating Army is the same as beating Arizona State.

(12-05-2017 07:12 AM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(12-04-2017 07:22 PM)fanhood Wrote:  

(12-04-2017 04:21 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(12-04-2017 04:19 PM)fanhood Wrote:  

(12-04-2017 04:04 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  USF will benefit more by beating Tech than SDSU beating Army.

Agree to disagree. Neither benefits. Texas Tech went 3-6 in conference, and Army is Army.

You cannot have it both ways. You cannot claim to want to be considered as one of the big boys, and that your conference is P6 or a High Major, then want credit for beating a team that finished 8th in a 10 team race.

Spin it whatever way you want.

You are the one trying to spin it. If you truly believe that beating Army in a bowl carries as much weight as beating a team from a power league then you really haven’t been paying attention to college football.

Again, spin. Didn't say that. I said neither carries weight. But good luck anyway.

No spin. You are saying BOTH carry no weight so you basically imply they are the same.
Nice try but wrong again. Keep spinning you seem to like that very much.
I guess you also agree that beating Army is the same as beating Arizona State.

Beating Army and Arizona State in September? Well obviously Arizona State.

Beating a 9-3 Army in a Bowl Game or beating a 6-6 Arizona State/UCLA, who also happened to just have fired their coach? Neither.

What don't you understand about this?

Anyway, when Texas Tech beats USF, what will be said? It will be humiliating for USF. If USF beats Texas Tech, you will get a collective shrug. Enjoy.

(12-05-2017 08:52 AM)fanhood Wrote:  

(12-05-2017 07:12 AM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(12-04-2017 07:22 PM)fanhood Wrote:  

(12-04-2017 04:21 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(12-04-2017 04:19 PM)fanhood Wrote:  Agree to disagree. Neither benefits. Texas Tech went 3-6 in conference, and Army is Army.

You cannot have it both ways. You cannot claim to want to be considered as one of the big boys, and that your conference is P6 or a High Major, then want credit for beating a team that finished 8th in a 10 team race.

Spin it whatever way you want.

You are the one trying to spin it. If you truly believe that beating Army in a bowl carries as much weight as beating a team from a power league then you really haven’t been paying attention to college football.

Again, spin. Didn't say that. I said neither carries weight. But good luck anyway.

No spin. You are saying BOTH carry no weight so you basically imply they are the same.
Nice try but wrong again. Keep spinning you seem to like that very much.
I guess you also agree that beating Army is the same as beating Arizona State.

Beating Army and Arizona State in September? Well obviously Arizona State.

Beating a 9-3 Army in a Bowl Game or beating a 6-6 Arizona State/UCLA, who also happened to just have fired their coach? Neither.

What don't you understand about this?

Anyway, when Texas Tech beats USF, what will be said? It will be humiliating for USF. If USF beats Texas Tech, you will get a collective shrug. Enjoy.

Hahahaha... if you think USF beating Texas Tech gets a shrug then you really are delusional and don't understand the P5 'fabrication'. And you are supremely complimenting USF and our 'status', and for that I thank you...

For a tweener conference trying to keep up, beating 'them' anytime anywhere is the mandate.

(12-05-2017 09:31 AM)Bull Wrote:  

(12-05-2017 08:52 AM)fanhood Wrote:  

(12-05-2017 07:12 AM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(12-04-2017 07:22 PM)fanhood Wrote:  

(12-04-2017 04:21 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  You are the one trying to spin it. If you truly believe that beating Army in a bowl carries as much weight as beating a team from a power league then you really haven’t been paying attention to college football.

Again, spin. Didn't say that. I said neither carries weight. But good luck anyway.

No spin. You are saying BOTH carry no weight so you basically imply they are the same.
Nice try but wrong again. Keep spinning you seem to like that very much.
I guess you also agree that beating Army is the same as beating Arizona State.

Beating Army and Arizona State in September? Well obviously Arizona State.

Beating a 9-3 Army in a Bowl Game or beating a 6-6 Arizona State/UCLA, who also happened to just have fired their coach? Neither.

What don't you understand about this?

Anyway, when Texas Tech beats USF, what will be said? It will be humiliating for USF. If USF beats Texas Tech, you will get a collective shrug. Enjoy.

Hahahaha... if you think USF beating Texas Tech gets a shrug then you really are delusional and don't understand the P5 'fabrication'. And you are supremely complimenting USF and our 'status', and for that I thank you...

For a tweener conference trying to keep up, beating 'them' anytime anywhere is the mandate.

I understand that people here will claim a "P5 scalp" if you beat Texas Tech. I also understand that nobody outside of here will give a damn.

Anyway, it doesn't appear your mind can be changed. Enjoy the game.

(12-05-2017 09:35 AM)fanhood Wrote:  

(12-05-2017 09:31 AM)Bull Wrote:  

(12-05-2017 08:52 AM)fanhood Wrote:  

(12-05-2017 07:12 AM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(12-04-2017 07:22 PM)fanhood Wrote:  Again, spin. Didn't say that. I said neither carries weight. But good luck anyway.

No spin. You are saying BOTH carry no weight so you basically imply they are the same.
Nice try but wrong again. Keep spinning you seem to like that very much.
I guess you also agree that beating Army is the same as beating Arizona State.

Beating Army and Arizona State in September? Well obviously Arizona State.

Beating a 9-3 Army in a Bowl Game or beating a 6-6 Arizona State/UCLA, who also happened to just have fired their coach? Neither.

What don't you understand about this?

Anyway, when Texas Tech beats USF, what will be said? It will be humiliating for USF. If USF beats Texas Tech, you will get a collective shrug. Enjoy.

Hahahaha... if you think USF beating Texas Tech gets a shrug then you really are delusional and don't understand the P5 'fabrication'. And you are supremely complimenting USF and our 'status', and for that I thank you...

For a tweener conference trying to keep up, beating 'them' anytime anywhere is the mandate.

I understand that people here will claim a "P5 scalp" if you beat Texas Tech. I also understand that nobody outside of here will give a damn.

Anyway, it doesn't appear your mind can be changed. Enjoy the game.

Change my mind about what? You think it would be better if we played FIU or FAU? Marshall or Ohio? If you are trying to claim you clearly overlap with the 'P5', then yes any P5 scalp is better than the alternative... that's just simple logic.

You need to take your game up a bit...

Uh, we’re playing FIU. And it’s better than not playing anybody.

(12-05-2017 08:52 AM)fanhood Wrote:  

(12-05-2017 07:12 AM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(12-04-2017 07:22 PM)fanhood Wrote:  

(12-04-2017 04:21 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(12-04-2017 04:19 PM)fanhood Wrote:  Agree to disagree. Neither benefits. Texas Tech went 3-6 in conference, and Army is Army.

You cannot have it both ways. You cannot claim to want to be considered as one of the big boys, and that your conference is P6 or a High Major, then want credit for beating a team that finished 8th in a 10 team race.

Spin it whatever way you want.

You are the one trying to spin it. If you truly believe that beating Army in a bowl carries as much weight as beating a team from a power league then you really haven’t been paying attention to college football.

Again, spin. Didn't say that. I said neither carries weight. But good luck anyway.

No spin. You are saying BOTH carry no weight so you basically imply they are the same.
Nice try but wrong again. Keep spinning you seem to like that very much.
I guess you also agree that beating Army is the same as beating Arizona State.

Beating Army and Arizona State in September? Well obviously Arizona State.

Beating a 9-3 Army in a Bowl Game or beating a 6-6 Arizona State/UCLA, who also happened to just have fired their coach? Neither.

What don't you understand about this?

Anyway, when Texas Tech beats USF, what will be said? It will be humiliating for USF. If USF beats Texas Tech, you will get a collective shrug. Enjoy.

this is so strange coming from an sdsu fan for 2 reasons

1) you have only beaten 3 p5 in the last decade..that has been the biggest knock on sdsu for years...but you are trying to deny the impact of another p5 win

2) your fans and everyone who knows about sdsu has bragged about having 2 pac 12 wins...really that being the selling point of this season....in 5 years sdsu fans will remember this season as they year you beat 2 pac 12 teams (no one will say anything about army) ....you beat a 6-6 ucla....regardless, this season would have been the year you beat 3 pac 12 in 1 year and will be talked about forever by your fans ...and will be seen as a more memorable season than your 2 championship seasons. the year you beat stanford, ucla and arizona state..no one will remember records

i don't get your denial of this...i dont like your bias..sometimes youll ignore reality just to fit your perspective and desires ...fresno will lose to wyoming without allen (you actually sad this) and you reference that as the likely outcome

i rarely care about record if they arent top 25 in bowls. i care about brand names ..what will be remembered...

(12-05-2017 08:52 AM)fanhood Wrote:  

(12-05-2017 07:12 AM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(12-04-2017 07:22 PM)fanhood Wrote:  

(12-04-2017 04:21 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(12-04-2017 04:19 PM)fanhood Wrote:  Agree to disagree. Neither benefits. Texas Tech went 3-6 in conference, and Army is Army.

You cannot have it both ways. You cannot claim to want to be considered as one of the big boys, and that your conference is P6 or a High Major, then want credit for beating a team that finished 8th in a 10 team race.

Spin it whatever way you want.

You are the one trying to spin it. If you truly believe that beating Army in a bowl carries as much weight as beating a team from a power league then you really haven’t been paying attention to college football.

Again, spin. Didn't say that. I said neither carries weight. But good luck anyway.

No spin. You are saying BOTH carry no weight so you basically imply they are the same.
Nice try but wrong again. Keep spinning you seem to like that very much.
I guess you also agree that beating Army is the same as beating Arizona State.

Beating Army and Arizona State in September? Well obviously Arizona State.

Beating a 9-3 Army in a Bowl Game or beating a 6-6 Arizona State/UCLA, who also happened to just have fired their coach? Neither.

What don't you understand about this?

Anyway, when Texas Tech beats USF, what will be said? It will be humiliating for USF. If USF beats Texas Tech, you will get a collective shrug. Enjoy.

So transition of head coach is significant to bowl game perceptions? Interesting point...

I wonder what one might find from fanhood a year ago (and since then) in discussions of bowl games - Houston/Herman, Temple/Rhule, etc...

(12-05-2017 10:48 AM)pesik Wrote:  

(12-05-2017 08:52 AM)fanhood Wrote:  

(12-05-2017 07:12 AM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(12-04-2017 07:22 PM)fanhood Wrote:  

(12-04-2017 04:21 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  You are the one trying to spin it. If you truly believe that beating Army in a bowl carries as much weight as beating a team from a power league then you really haven’t been paying attention to college football.

Again, spin. Didn't say that. I said neither carries weight. But good luck anyway.

No spin. You are saying BOTH carry no weight so you basically imply they are the same.
Nice try but wrong again. Keep spinning you seem to like that very much.
I guess you also agree that beating Army is the same as beating Arizona State.

Beating Army and Arizona State in September? Well obviously Arizona State.

Beating a 9-3 Army in a Bowl Game or beating a 6-6 Arizona State/UCLA, who also happened to just have fired their coach? Neither.

What don't you understand about this?

Anyway, when Texas Tech beats USF, what will be said? It will be humiliating for USF. If USF beats Texas Tech, you will get a collective shrug. Enjoy.

this is so strange coming from an sdsu fan for 2 reasons

1) you have only beaten 3 p5 in the last decade..that has been the biggest knock on sdsu for years...but you are trying to deny the impact o another p5 win

2) your fans and and everyone who knows about ssdsu has bragged about 2 pac 12 wins...really that the selling point of this season....in 5 years sdsu fans will remember this season as they year you beat 2 pac 12 teams (no one will say anything about army) ....you beat a 6-6 ucla....regardless this season would have been the year you beat 3 pac 12 in 1 year and will be talked about forever by your fans ...and will be seen as a moe memorable season than your 2 championship season.the year you beat stanford, ucla and arizona state..no one will remember records

i don't get your denial of this...i dont like your bias..sometimes youll ignore reality just to fit your perspective and desires ...fresno will lose to wyoming without allen (you actually sad this) and you reference that as the likely outcome

i rarely care about record if they arent top 25 in bowls. i care about brand names ..what will be remembered...

Your entire post could have been ignored if you read my first sentence.

How old are you again? Seriously, I just looking for context.