(12-04-2017 11:55 AM)TU4ever Wrote:  Actually I think it shows the progress of national perception for the conference. Further I think that the ranked teams winning bowl games will only raise the leagues profile. Next year could be big with all three coming in ranked preseason. Houston or navy is capable of jumping up there as well. This would be a huge head start on the ny6 game next year and would make it harder for the cfp committee to leave out a ucf like team. The narrative could change. A good TV deal will be more likely and will just further push the league.

I dont think we will get three ranked teams in preseason.

UCF will be ranked preseason, anyone else will have to win first 3-4 games to get in.

(12-04-2017 11:10 AM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  

(12-04-2017 11:00 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-04-2017 09:35 AM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  

(12-04-2017 09:17 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-04-2017 09:11 AM)sfink16 Wrote:  Yet top 25, as the OP is discussing, has nothing to do with the entire conference ratings. Instead it has more to do with the top teams in the conference. If the bottom and middle teams, so be it.

That's true. I was just adding some context to the discussion.

We definitely are closer to the P5 than we ever have been. E.g., last year, our MC position was more like twice as close to the nearest G5 to the nearest P5, now it's just about in the middle between them.

Funny thing is, that is almost entirely because of G5 accomplishments, as we have far less impressive results vs the P5 this year.

We have the opportunity to make that up in the bowls.

In 2016, AAC was #6, and closer to #5 than to #8,9,10. The gap between #6 and #7 was 58.9% of the gap from 6 to #5

In 2015, AAC was #6 , and closer to #5 than to #7-10.

And Massey's archives are now giving me trouble, but from my recollection, the one year out of five we WEREN'T #6, we were closer to #6 than the G4 competition has ever been to us at #6.

One improvement this year is that we are as close to #1 (which is the ACC) as we are to #10.

We're also closer to the P5s than the G4s in median, and at the bottom of the rankings.

Last year, MC has the last place P5, the Big 12, at 52.02. The AAC was 68.68, the next closest G5, the MWC, was at 78.46, so the AAC was clearly closer to the nearest G5 than the nearest P5.

https://www.masseyratings.com/cf/arch/co...016-15.htm

Re-read...

I agree with your assessment of last year - You have re-stated my bolded portion.

But this year isn't a first - 2015 we were closer to #5 than to all the G4s

That's true. What's interesting about 2015 compared to 2016 is that our rating each year is basically the same, around 68. In fact, our 2016 rating was a smidge better than in 2015. It's just that in 2015, the worst P5 was really bad (in 2015 the ACC was 3 points worse than the Big 12 was last year) and the next-best G5 was also much worse than in 2016 (5 points worse), which made us look better by comparison.

(12-04-2017 11:55 AM)TU4ever Wrote:  Actually I think it shows the progress of national perception for the conference.

I think there's some truth to that, in that in the polls, we have three teams solidly in the top 25, even though among them, they have basically zero accomplishments against P5 teams this year.

Basically, the entirety of UCF, Memphis, and USF reputations and rankings are based solely on accomplishments vs other AAC teams.

So we are getting national poll credit for beating other AAC teams.

(12-04-2017 12:08 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(12-04-2017 11:55 AM)TU4ever Wrote:  Actually I think it shows the progress of national perception for the conference. Further I think that the ranked teams winning bowl games will only raise the leagues profile. Next year could be big with all three coming in ranked preseason. Houston or navy is capable of jumping up there as well. This would be a huge head start on the ny6 game next year and would make it harder for the cfp committee to leave out a ucf like team. The narrative could change. A good TV deal will be more likely and will just further push the league.

I dont think we will get three ranked teams in preseason.

UCF will be ranked preseason, anyone else will have to win first 3-4 games to get in.

Agreed. UCF and USF have 2 very winnable p5 teams. Memphis will steamroll their OOC outside of travelling to Mizzou. Even Houston with Arizona and Texas Tech again could do some OOC damage.

Pollsters won't want to put that much attention on AAC so early with so many winnable p5 games.

(12-04-2017 12:16 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-04-2017 11:55 AM)TU4ever Wrote:  Actually I think it shows the progress of national perception for the conference.

I think there's some truth to that, in that in the polls, we have three teams solidly in the top 25, even though among them, they have basically zero accomplishments against P5 teams this year.

Basically, the entirety of UCF, Memphis, and USF reputations and rankings are based solely on accomplishments vs other AAC teams.

So we are getting national poll credit for beating other AAC teams.

I can re-check, but if memory serves me correctly, the AAC was 0 and 5 versus the Big 12 and 0 and 2 versus a beatable ND. That has to get better. Tough competition is only good when you hold your own and win some of those games.

(12-04-2017 12:19 PM)STL_Wave Wrote:  

(12-04-2017 12:08 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(12-04-2017 11:55 AM)TU4ever Wrote:  Actually I think it shows the progress of national perception for the conference. Further I think that the ranked teams winning bowl games will only raise the leagues profile. Next year could be big with all three coming in ranked preseason. Houston or navy is capable of jumping up there as well. This would be a huge head start on the ny6 game next year and would make it harder for the cfp committee to leave out a ucf like team. The narrative could change. A good TV deal will be more likely and will just further push the league.

I dont think we will get three ranked teams in preseason.

UCF will be ranked preseason, anyone else will have to win first 3-4 games to get in.

Agreed. UCF and USF have 2 very winnable p5 teams. Memphis will steamroll their OOC outside of travelling to Mizzou. Even Houston with Arizona and Texas Tech again could do some OOC damage.

Pollsters won't want to put that much attention on AAC so early with so many winnable p5 games.

IF they all win ucf will be top 15, Memphis top 25, and Usf barely in or just sitting outside.

I can see Houston getting ranked end of the ooc season if they are undefeated. Navy's schedule lines up different but they've gotten ranked the last couple years and playing Notre Dame is always good for grabbing attention.

I expect we will see a slightly better year in poll/national respect next year, if Usf, ucf, and Memphis win this year.

(12-04-2017 01:44 PM)sfink16 Wrote:  

(12-04-2017 12:16 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-04-2017 11:55 AM)TU4ever Wrote:  Actually I think it shows the progress of national perception for the conference.

I think there's some truth to that, in that in the polls, we have three teams solidly in the top 25, even though among them, they have basically zero accomplishments against P5 teams this year.

Basically, the entirety of UCF, Memphis, and USF reputations and rankings are based solely on accomplishments vs other AAC teams.

So we are getting national poll credit for beating other AAC teams.

I can re-check, but if memory serves me correctly, the AAC was 0 and 5 versus the Big 12 and 0 and 2 versus a beatable ND. That has to get better. Tough competition is only good when you hold your own and win some of those games.

Tulane, Tulsa, ECU, and Houston, before they switched QBs are four of those losses to ranked Oklahoma, okie st, wvu, and a solid Texas tech respectively. Smu got beat by tcu as well.

ND was Temple with a new coach and in rebuild mode and navy.

With better match ups I expect we do better really only the Navy ND and tech Houston games tell us anything. We need to do well in bowls then we can show on a neutral field we can compete.