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(12-03-2017 12:42 AM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  
(12-03-2017 12:20 AM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  The Big Ten will get a slot in the playoffs.

^ This. Alabama may deserve it more, but the committee is likely to give it to Ohio State. This gives the Big Ten a representative and engages a broader range of the country.

You mean because few college football fans in the Great Lakes region would bother watching Clemson vs Alabama again? I'm not buying that. That isn't to say the committee won't pick OSU for some other reason. Just not that one.
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RE: Ohio State or Alabama
If Alabama is selected, it is essentially the same rationale and methodology whereby Ohio State got selected last year. Penn State was last year's champion and Ohio State did not play in the CCG.

If the Selection Committe, perhaps for the third time, looks as if they are altering what they value most in order to pick Urban Myers' Ohio State, then it is going to look like a pattern to fans and other observers external to Ohio State advocates. The two loss thing will be another precedent.
I am not saying necessarily, OSU is undeserving of a spot; rather as I said prior, that last spot will have controversy if Wisconsin did not win the BIG CC.

Alabama has a case. USC and UCF have to be pushing #6 and #7 (or not off by more than one number) or something is really wrong.
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(12-03-2017 12:35 AM)chargeradio Wrote:  Alabama lost by 12 to a 10-2 (now 10-3) team at their place
Wisconsin lost by 6 to a 11-2 team at a neutral site
Ohio State lost by 15 to a 11-1 (now 12-1) team at home AND lost by 31 to a 7-5 team st their place

If any B1G team gets in over Alabama, it should be Wisconsin. Just because Wisconsin’s loss came at the end shouldn’t automatically sentence them to a spot behind a two-loss team with a really bad loss.

While SOS is significant, I find this argument compelling but not quite convincing.
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No more Ohio State. No more. No more "logic" justifying their inclusion. Give it to Alabama or UCF.

I'm not comfortable with any logic where the 8 beats the 4 and the 8 becomes the 4 when 5 doesn't play, and the margin of victory is narrow.

In fact, why does Wisconsin even have to fall out of discussion? 12-1 to 11-2, and you want to give the bid to the 11-2 team for the head-to-head? Well, gee, they do have a component opponent in Iowa, and Wisconsin had NO problem putting them down.

It's a crock. Will be again this year, I'm sure. At least there isn't a chance for both Ohio State AND Alabama. I get the impression folks will want that what-could-have-been game between Alabama and Georgia. If the committee was smart, they'd make UGA #1, Bama #4, and let Clemson and Oklahoma figure it out on the other side.
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RE: Ohio State or Alabama
(12-03-2017 01:24 AM)Jericho Wrote:  
(12-03-2017 01:06 AM)bullet Wrote:  
(12-03-2017 12:51 AM)Jericho Wrote:  My difficulty with putting Alabama in, is that it rewards them for essentially not playing good teams. Not intentionally mind you. But everyone seemed fine ranking Auburn ahead of Alabama last week. And then Auburn lost to a good Georgia team. So if you're going to take two from the SEC, shouldn't Auburn be the second choice? But no one's advocating that with three losses (albeit loses to good teams). Still, how can I reconcile taking Alabama instead? Simply because they weren't even good enough to even play Georgia and possibly lose?

Had Auburn won the SEC, you could plausibly argue Auburn is #1 and Alabama is #2 in the conference. And then take two SEC teams. But that didn't happen. Alabama has a good overall record, but couldn't even win its division and has no real signature wins. If you can't even win your own division, its doubtful you belong in the playoffs. And if the team that did win your division doesn't make it in, then you really don't deserve to be in.

I hate how teams that lose conference championship are penalized at the expense of teams that weren't good enough to play in them. The vast majority of the college season is littered with games against mediocre to bad schools. The conference championships normally pit two good teams against each other. and we constantly punish the loser, despite the fact most teams don't play schedules as tough.

I guess the main problem is, if you don't take Alabama, who do you take? Ohio State has a flawed resume. Wisconsin's resume is about as good as Alabams's, but no one seems to really care. Central Florida is an extreme wild card. USC is really not that different from Ohio State. There are options, but all have concerns. In the end, picking between a slew of flawed options, I'd at least take a conference champion. So for me, that means either USC or Ohio State. And for better or worse, I'd side with taking Ohio State (which sucks, since they got gifted a birth in 2016 that they didn't deserve and seemingly got a questionable invite in 2014 too when the committee punted on choosing between two higher ranking Big 12 options. So this would be a third controversial invite for the same school)

Ohio St. didn't play good teams either.

That's somewhat true. But pretty much every objective metric says Ohio St played a tougher schedule than Alabama. And Ohio State did beat Penn State and did beat Wisconsin. And one loss was to Oklahoma. All likely teams in the top dozen or so in the rankings. That's at least something.

The difficulty the committee will have is it has stated certain criteria matter. Like winning conference championships. And playing well at the end of the season. And it likes to reward teams for playing tough schedules. But pretty much all those criteria work against Alabama here. Alabama couldn't win its own division, let alone its conference. Alabama lost its last game, which was also against its toughest opponent to date. And it's strength of schedule ranks last among the playoff contenders. So if we base it off the stated criteria, you pretty much can't pick Alabama. Unless you want to throw it all out the window and just pick teams you want based on nebulous criteria (which the committee kind of did already after taking Ohio St over Penn State last year). Though that makes the system even more chaotic then it already is.

Though if you want to argue USC over Ohio State, that's perfectly fine and pretty much a pick 'em in my mind

However, Alabama also beat everyone else they faced. Ohio St. did not.

Sagarin has it (SOS)
1. Alabama (56)
2. Clemson (8)
3. Georgia (37)
4. Ohio St. (28)
5. Oklahoma (29)
6. Penn St. (46)
7. Wisconsin (50)
8. Auburn (3)
9. Washington (58)
10. Notre Dame (2)
11. Stanford (11)
12. TCU (32)
13. USC (16)
14. Oklahoma St. (43)
15. Miami (25)
16. UCF (83)

Maryland was listed as having the toughest schedule.
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(12-03-2017 09:02 AM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  In fact, why does Wisconsin even have to fall out of discussion? 12-1 to 11-2, and you want to give the bid to the 11-2 team for the head-to-head? Well, gee, they do have a component opponent in Iowa, and Wisconsin had NO problem putting them down.

I agree. Even in spite of Wisconsin’s loss last night, I would be more comfortable with them getting in over Alabama as opposed to Ohio State. The Badgers have seven wins over bowl eligible teams (2 non-conference, 3 B1G West, 2 B1G East). Alabama only has six. Wisconsin also played one more FBS opponent. Ohio State only has five wins over bowl eligible teams (Army, Michigan, Michigan State, Penn State, Wisconsin).
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(12-03-2017 02:41 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  
(12-03-2017 02:15 AM)Jericho Wrote:  Yes, the OSU loss to Iowa is bad. Of course, back in 2014, Ohio State lost at home to a bad Virginia Tech team (which eventually finished 6-6, though was only 3-5 in conference play in what was widely considered a bad ACC). You could argue which loss was worse.

One thing about OSU's loss to VT was that it was JT Barrett's second start, as a redshirt freshman after Braxton Miller got hurt right before the season. That may be why the committee dismissed it. (Or not, nobody really knows, maybe including the committee members.)

(12-03-2017 02:25 AM)IAH Wrote:  Please explain how one would rank Alabama ahead of Auburn

Alabama has one regular-season loss, Auburn has 3, against mostly-comparable schedules. If head-to-head were all that mattered, LSU would rank above Auburn and Troy above LSU.

I think part of the argument with Alabama-Auburn ranking order is that Auburn gained their third loss from losing in the SEC Championship, a game Alabama wasn't qualified to play in. So is that fair to Auburn?
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(12-03-2017 02:25 AM)IAH Wrote:  Please explain how one would rank Alabama ahead of Auburn

Because Bama wasn't blown out and they were playing the hottest team in the country on the road and had multiple injuries in the backfield.

Look at Bama's game control against the SEC West sans that last game. They were dominant. Even the MSU game, they pulled it out under some adversity.

I also don't get how they are penalized for the FSU game. FSU was a top team that was fresh for that game. The season slowly fell apart after the outcome of that Bama game. FSU almost beat Clemson when they finally garnered up some motivation.

Ohio State had a shot, but they had to win Clemson style last night to have a chance. I thought they had a chance until the pick 6, the turnovers, and the inaccuracy of JT Barret. I didn't watch the second half last night because OSU was eliminated after the first half.
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(12-03-2017 02:35 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(12-03-2017 02:15 AM)Jericho Wrote:  
(12-03-2017 01:35 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(12-03-2017 01:24 AM)Jericho Wrote:  
(12-03-2017 01:06 AM)bullet Wrote:  Ohio St. didn't play good teams either.

That's somewhat true. But pretty much every objective metric says Ohio St played a tougher schedule than Alabama. And Ohio State did beat Penn State and did beat Wisconsin. And one loss was to Oklahoma. All likely teams in the top dozen or so in the rankings. That's at least something.

The difficulty the committee will have is it has stated certain criteria matter. Like winning conference championships. And playing well at the end of the season. And it likes to reward teams for playing tough schedules. But pretty much all those criteria work against Alabama here. Alabama couldn't win its own division, let alone its conference. Alabama lost its last game, which was also against its toughest opponent to date. And it's strength of schedule ranks last among the playoff contenders. So if we base it off the stated criteria, you pretty much can't pick Alabama. Unless you want to throw it all out the window and just pick teams you want based on nebulous criteria (which the committee kind of did already after taking Ohio St over Penn State last year). Though that makes the system even more chaotic then it already is.

Though if you want to argue USC over Ohio State, that's perfectly fine and pretty much a pick 'em in my mind

I can imagine Alabama beating Wisconsin and Penn State. Not with 100% certainty but it wouldn't surprise me if they did.

I can't imagine Alabama losing by 30 to Iowa. Not if they played it 100 times.

That may or may not be true, but it's pure conjecture based on feelings as much as anything. The difficulty with football is that there's so few games and so few common opponents, that rankings are largely based off conference perception. Last year is a great example. A lot of people though the Big 10 was strong and the ACC was weak. But then the bowls rolled around and the Big 10 was bad and the ACC looked great. And all of sudden the perception did a 180. And we really don't know which was "accurate". Likely neither as I hesitate to put much stock in bowl performance outside of the top teams, since there's often so little to play for (and varying levels of opponent strength).

Yes, the OSU loss to Iowa is bad. Of course, back in 2014, Ohio State lost at home to a bad Virginia Tech team (which eventually finished 6-6, though was only 3-5 in conference play in what was widely considered a bad ACC). You could argue which loss was worse. Iowa seems to be a step up quality wise from that Virginia Tech team and Ohio State lost on the road to Iowa (compared to losing at home to Virginia Tech). But the score was closer against Virginia Tech. The VT loss was widely considered to be enough to keep OSU out of the playoffs. There was one undefeated team (defending champion Florida St) and 4 other one loss teams (Alabama, Oregon, TCU, and Baylor). All had "better" loses that OSU and all laid some claim to a conference title (though the two Big 12 teams has no official tiebreaker or conference championship). However, in the end, OSU was not only chosen for the playoffs, it won the whole thing by beating both Alabama and Oregon. Point being, one bad loss does not define a team.

If you're asking personal opinion, I'd generally err on the side of choosing diverse teams form different conferences unless there's compelling evidence to the contrary. The SEC clearly deserves a team, and that team is Georgia. But it doesn't have a second team head and shoulders above what the Big 10 and Pac 10 offer. Alabama may be better than Ohio State or USC, or they might not be. No one really knows, it's basically guesswork based off imperfect data points. Even if I believe Alabama is a better team that OSU or USC, I wouldn't choose them over such schools unless the difference was significant. And it's not here

Come on. You know damn well Alabama wouldn't lose by 31 to Iowa. Zero chance of that.

Before the Ohio State - Iowa game I don't think many people said Iowa by 30 or even Iowa. Alabama isn't undefeated so th hypothetical games are useless.
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(12-03-2017 09:43 AM)Huskies12 Wrote:  
(12-03-2017 02:35 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(12-03-2017 02:15 AM)Jericho Wrote:  
(12-03-2017 01:35 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(12-03-2017 01:24 AM)Jericho Wrote:  That's somewhat true. But pretty much every objective metric says Ohio St played a tougher schedule than Alabama. And Ohio State did beat Penn State and did beat Wisconsin. And one loss was to Oklahoma. All likely teams in the top dozen or so in the rankings. That's at least something.

The difficulty the committee will have is it has stated certain criteria matter. Like winning conference championships. And playing well at the end of the season. And it likes to reward teams for playing tough schedules. But pretty much all those criteria work against Alabama here. Alabama couldn't win its own division, let alone its conference. Alabama lost its last game, which was also against its toughest opponent to date. And it's strength of schedule ranks last among the playoff contenders. So if we base it off the stated criteria, you pretty much can't pick Alabama. Unless you want to throw it all out the window and just pick teams you want based on nebulous criteria (which the committee kind of did already after taking Ohio St over Penn State last year). Though that makes the system even more chaotic then it already is.

Though if you want to argue USC over Ohio State, that's perfectly fine and pretty much a pick 'em in my mind

I can imagine Alabama beating Wisconsin and Penn State. Not with 100% certainty but it wouldn't surprise me if they did.

I can't imagine Alabama losing by 30 to Iowa. Not if they played it 100 times.

That may or may not be true, but it's pure conjecture based on feelings as much as anything. The difficulty with football is that there's so few games and so few common opponents, that rankings are largely based off conference perception. Last year is a great example. A lot of people though the Big 10 was strong and the ACC was weak. But then the bowls rolled around and the Big 10 was bad and the ACC looked great. And all of sudden the perception did a 180. And we really don't know which was "accurate". Likely neither as I hesitate to put much stock in bowl performance outside of the top teams, since there's often so little to play for (and varying levels of opponent strength).

Yes, the OSU loss to Iowa is bad. Of course, back in 2014, Ohio State lost at home to a bad Virginia Tech team (which eventually finished 6-6, though was only 3-5 in conference play in what was widely considered a bad ACC). You could argue which loss was worse. Iowa seems to be a step up quality wise from that Virginia Tech team and Ohio State lost on the road to Iowa (compared to losing at home to Virginia Tech). But the score was closer against Virginia Tech. The VT loss was widely considered to be enough to keep OSU out of the playoffs. There was one undefeated team (defending champion Florida St) and 4 other one loss teams (Alabama, Oregon, TCU, and Baylor). All had "better" loses that OSU and all laid some claim to a conference title (though the two Big 12 teams has no official tiebreaker or conference championship). However, in the end, OSU was not only chosen for the playoffs, it won the whole thing by beating both Alabama and Oregon. Point being, one bad loss does not define a team.

If you're asking personal opinion, I'd generally err on the side of choosing diverse teams form different conferences unless there's compelling evidence to the contrary. The SEC clearly deserves a team, and that team is Georgia. But it doesn't have a second team head and shoulders above what the Big 10 and Pac 10 offer. Alabama may be better than Ohio State or USC, or they might not be. No one really knows, it's basically guesswork based off imperfect data points. Even if I believe Alabama is a better team that OSU or USC, I wouldn't choose them over such schools unless the difference was significant. And it's not here

Come on. You know damn well Alabama wouldn't lose by 31 to Iowa. Zero chance of that.

Before the Ohio State - Iowa game I don't think many people said Iowa by 30 or even Iowa. Alabama isn't undefeated so th hypothetical games are useless.

We know Ohio State lost by 31 to Iowa. Nothing hypothetical about that.

If you can honestly say you think there's any chance that Iowa could beat Alabama by 31 points, I'll concede.

But we both know that you can't, because the idea is absurd on its face.

Heck, it's very, very hard to imagine Alabama losing by 15 at home to Oklahoma.
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In my eyes the #4 slot has to go to Ohio St.

They have wins against highly ranked opponents: Wisc, Penn St, Mich St, as well as as a decent but unranked Michigan. They also took a risk and scheduled a tough OOC opponent who went on to win their conference title and played a regualar season schedule that featured 10 P5s and an 11th in the title against Wisconsin. They won their division which featured 3 top 20 teams and won their conference and conference titles should mean something.

Meanwhile Alabama's best wins are Mississippi St and an LSU team that lost to Troy of the Sunbelt. They failed to win their division and weren't asked to put their reputation and record on the line in a conference title. While I give them credit for scheduling what looked like a good FSU team on paper they were clearly a pretender. They only played 9 P5 opponents all season, two less than the Buckeyes.

Another sad but true fact is that leaving Ohio St out makes the playoffs an entirely Southern affair. That's going to kill the ratings the way the LSU-Alabama BCS rematch did.

Ohio St has a bad loss but their wins are far better than Alabama's. Buckeyes to the Sugar Bowl and the opportunity to avenge themselves against last year's debacle against Clemson.
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(12-03-2017 08:36 AM)OdinFrigg Wrote:  If Alabama is selected, it is essentially the same rationale and methodology whereby Ohio State got selected last year. Penn State was last year's champion and Ohio State did not play in the CCG.

If the Selection Committe, perhaps for the third time, looks as if they are altering what they value most in order to pick Urban Myers' Ohio State, then it is going to look like a pattern to fans and other observers external to Ohio State advocates. The two loss thing will be another precedent.
I am not saying necessarily, OSU is undeserving of a spot; rather as I said prior, that last spot will have controversy if Wisconsin did not win the BIG CC.

Alabama has a case. USC and UCF have to be pushing #6 and #7 (or not off by more than one number) or something is really wrong.

In regards to your first sentence, the difference is that the Big 10 had a spot in the playoff. This year they would be left out all together along with the PAC 12. Even worse neither conference gets the Rose Bowl this year. That is going to ruffle the feathers of both conferences and start the cracks in a 4 team playoff.
It is one thing if 1 conference is left out vs 2 of them left out.
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(12-03-2017 09:57 AM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  In my eyes the #4 slot has to go to Ohio St.

They have wins against highly ranked opponents: Wisc, Penn St, Mich St, as well as as a decent but unranked Michigan. They also took a risk and scheduled a tough OOC opponent who went on to win their conference title and played a regualar season schedule that featured 10 P5s and an 11th in the title against Wisconsin. They won their division which featured 3 top 20 teams and won their conference and conference titles should mean something.

Meanwhile Alabama's best wins are Mississippi St and an LSU team that lost to Troy of the Sunbelt. They failed to win their division and weren't asked to put their reputation and record on the line in a conference title. While I give them credit for scheduling what looked like a good FSU team on paper they were clearly a pretender. They only played 9 P5 opponents all season, two less than the Buckeyes.

Another sad but true fact is that leaving Ohio St out makes the playoffs an entirely Southern affair. That's going to kill the ratings the way the LSU-Alabama BCS rematch did.

Ohio St has a bad loss but their wins are far better than Alabama's. Buckeyes to the Sugar Bowl and the opportunity to avenge themselves against last year's debacle against Clemson.

Another way to look at this is that all of Ohio State's big wins are in-conference. How do we know that Penn State and Wisconsin are any good? They didn't beat any good OOC teams, they just beat a bunch of other B1G teams. And the one time Ohio State tested themselves against a playoff-level opponent, they got wacked badly, and at home. Why do we need to see Ohio State matchup vs Georgia/Oklahoma/Clemson when we know they got slapped down badly by one of them already?

As for a chance against Clemson: While one can argue that this year's Clemson isn't quite as good as last year's Clemson, they are a lot closer to last year's Clemson than this year's Ohio State is compared to last year's Ohio State - last year's OSU was clearly better, and yet got totally dominated. Why should we foist that on the viewers again this year?

Put it this way: If God were to tell us that he has looked into the future and Clemson will win their first playoff game 35-0, and we have to guess whether it was Alabama or Ohio State they played, who would you say it was?

We both know we'd both say "Ohio State" without hesitating. So i think knowing that either OSU or Alabama will play Clemson is bad for Ohio State's chances. I think TV viewers would much rather see Alabama - Clemson, who have played two classic playoff games, than Clemson - OSU, and risk another abortion like last year.
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(12-03-2017 12:05 AM)BePcr07 Wrote:  
(12-03-2017 12:01 AM)Wedge Wrote:  c) None of the above


Undefeated Central Florida!
UCF refusing to playing Georgia Tech will prevent a top 4 finish! They could have switched the series (Home/away year) However UCF Coach got wind of the UCF/GT AD convo and he sent the team packing even when the UCF AD told him not to.

Coach Frost played for AT-Large birth with that move, not CFP spot
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Ohio State shows up on the national stage like once every 4-5 years. Every other year is a stinker. The Semi Finals have been brutal games for the most part. Just give me two solid games one year.... please.
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If Clemson is ranked #1, they'll be in the Sugar Bowl. Theoretically their opponent would be Ohio State or Alabama. If Bama is #4, I think that's what they do.

I suppose I could see a scenario where Oklahoma gets the #1 slot just to force a Clemson/Georgia semi-final in Pasadena (Rose Bowl). That would absolutely stink for those fan bases, however. Not to mention you'd be getting an OU/OSU rematch in New Orleans.

The other thing they could do is bump Georgia up to #2 and have
Sugar: Clemson vs. OSU/Bama
Rose: Oklahoma vs. Georgia

Having one semi-final in California when the furthest west team is OU is a big problem, but that's another problem for future consideration...
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They're not going to give Bama 'home field' in the #4. Have to put them in the Rose if they sneak in. It will suck but Clemson fans haven't had to travel out there in a while. Would be a change of pace to go to southern Cali. Plus the NC game is back in Atlanta and fans can travel to that easily.
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Bama, OSU was embarrassed in their two losses.
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(12-03-2017 10:06 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(12-03-2017 09:57 AM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  In my eyes the #4 slot has to go to Ohio St.

They have wins against highly ranked opponents: Wisc, Penn St, Mich St, as well as as a decent but unranked Michigan. They also took a risk and scheduled a tough OOC opponent who went on to win their conference title and played a regualar season schedule that featured 10 P5s and an 11th in the title against Wisconsin. They won their division which featured 3 top 20 teams and won their conference and conference titles should mean something.

Meanwhile Alabama's best wins are Mississippi St and an LSU team that lost to Troy of the Sunbelt. They failed to win their division and weren't asked to put their reputation and record on the line in a conference title. While I give them credit for scheduling what looked like a good FSU team on paper they were clearly a pretender. They only played 9 P5 opponents all season, two less than the Buckeyes.

Another sad but true fact is that leaving Ohio St out makes the playoffs an entirely Southern affair. That's going to kill the ratings the way the LSU-Alabama BCS rematch did.

Ohio St has a bad loss but their wins are far better than Alabama's. Buckeyes to the Sugar Bowl and the opportunity to avenge themselves against last year's debacle against Clemson.

Another way to look at this is that all of Ohio State's big wins are in-conference. How do we know that Penn State and Wisconsin are any good? They didn't beat any good OOC teams, they just beat a bunch of other B1G teams. And the one time Ohio State tested themselves against a playoff-level opponent, they got wacked badly, and at home. Why do we need to see Ohio State matchup vs Georgia/Oklahoma/Clemson when we know they got slapped down badly by one of them already?

As for a chance against Clemson: While one can argue that this year's Clemson isn't quite as good as last year's Clemson, they are a lot closer to last year's Clemson than this year's Ohio State is compared to last year's Ohio State - last year's OSU was clearly better, and yet got totally dominated. Why should we foist that on the viewers again this year?

Put it this way: If God were to tell us that he has looked into the future and Clemson will win their first playoff game 35-0, and we have to guess whether it was Alabama or Ohio State they played, who would you say it was?

We both know we'd both say "Ohio State" without hesitating. So i think knowing that either OSU or Alabama will play Clemson is bad for Ohio State's chances. I think TV viewers would much rather see Alabama - Clemson, who have played two classic playoff games, than Clemson - OSU, and risk another abortion like last year.

That bolded question is, IMO, the most compelling case for picking Alabama that I have heard from anybody. Well put, Quo.
12-03-2017 02:18 PM
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RE: Ohio State or Alabama
This Alabama team is the weakest one they have fielded in years. I'm unimpressed and think they are gonna get their butts handed to the by Clemson and Oklahoma. Probably a close game against Georgia, but even they get the tip of my hat.
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