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Mark Richt is the longest tenured FBS coach in FL
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Congrats to FSU on your new coach.
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Willie Taggart is new Seminoles head coach

It's interesting that Taggart first bonded with the team when Charlie Ward was leading the Fast Break offence. That was a unit that lit up some boards.

Great HC hire, and now Leavitt joins as DC. There's plenty to like here. Here's hoping our latest search works out as it did in 1976. Florida State really means it when it uses the word 'era'. That's how we like to do things.
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As much as I liked the Taggart hire, I thought Strong was a stronger candidate, primarily based on his penchant for discipline and accountability.

I was (and am still) puzzled that Jimbo would leave a great FSU job for the pressure cooker at A&M, tho...

http://theklowntimes.net/2017/12/01/jimb...as-am-huh/
12-06-2017 08:53 AM
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(12-06-2017 08:53 AM)sburks1906 Wrote:  As much as I liked the Taggart hire, I thought Strong was a stronger candidate, primarily based on his penchant for discipline and accountability.

I was (and am still) puzzled that Jimbo would leave a great FSU job for the pressure cooker at A&M, tho...

http://theklowntimes.net/2017/12/01/jimb...as-am-huh/

No need to be puzzled by Jimbo's decision. For the past three seasons, Jimbo forced FSU to the negotiating table and got what he wanted (money for assistants, renovations, etc). Ultimately, Jimbo wanted complete control and say over the football program. This season was not the season to pull the tactic he always used to go back to the table. The boosters and administration had enough and pretty much told him to take the offer if it is the best thing for him. $7.5 million over 10 years also played a huge part.
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(12-06-2017 08:53 AM)sburks1906 Wrote:  As much as I liked the Taggart hire, I thought Strong was a stronger candidate, primarily based on his penchant for discipline and accountability.

I was (and am still) puzzled that Jimbo would leave a great FSU job for the pressure cooker at A&M, tho...

http://theklowntimes.net/2017/12/01/jimb...as-am-huh/

Strong isn't a fan of offense. He's content to win 2-0 every game. I don't think he would have been a good fit for FSU.
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(12-06-2017 08:53 AM)sburks1906 Wrote:  As much as I liked the Taggart hire, I thought Strong was a stronger candidate, primarily based on his penchant for discipline and accountability.

I was (and am still) puzzled that Jimbo would leave a great FSU job for the pressure cooker at A&M, tho...

http://theklowntimes.net/2017/12/01/jimb...as-am-huh/

I think people just underestimate that some relationships can get strained.

Most people work with someone like that. They're usually very good at their job, but not very likable in the way they go about it and eventually, can fray everyone's nerves to the point where it's time to move on.

By all accounts, Jimbo seems like that kind of guy.

Seth Greenberg's dismissal from Virginia Tech was much of the same - he had taken a historically bad program to respectability in the ACC, but had burned enough bridges where it was just time to go. Circumstances are obviously different since Jimbo left on his own and had more cache due to winning a natty, but I think the comparison is somewhat apt.
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So I guess everyone here would totally turn down $75 million guaranteed money if the job was hard?
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(12-06-2017 09:48 AM)krux Wrote:  
(12-06-2017 08:53 AM)sburks1906 Wrote:  As much as I liked the Taggart hire, I thought Strong was a stronger candidate, primarily based on his penchant for discipline and accountability.

I was (and am still) puzzled that Jimbo would leave a great FSU job for the pressure cooker at A&M, tho...

http://theklowntimes.net/2017/12/01/jimb...as-am-huh/

Strong isn't a fan of offense. He's content to win 2-0 every game. I don't think he would have been a good fit for FSU.

probably because he was a defensive coordinator...01-wingedeagle As long as you hire the right OC I think Strong would be fine as long as he can recruit Florida HEAVY!!


With that being said I LOVE the Taggert Hire. FSU isn't going anywhere.
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(12-06-2017 01:22 PM)HRFlossY Wrote:  
(12-06-2017 09:48 AM)krux Wrote:  
(12-06-2017 08:53 AM)sburks1906 Wrote:  As much as I liked the Taggart hire, I thought Strong was a stronger candidate, primarily based on his penchant for discipline and accountability.

I was (and am still) puzzled that Jimbo would leave a great FSU job for the pressure cooker at A&M, tho...

http://theklowntimes.net/2017/12/01/jimb...as-am-huh/

Strong isn't a fan of offense. He's content to win 2-0 every game. I don't think he would have been a good fit for FSU.

probably because he was a defensive coordinator...01-wingedeagle As long as you hire the right OC I think Strong would be fine as long as he can recruit Florida HEAVY!!


With that being said I LOVE the Taggert Hire. FSU isn't going anywhere.
FlossY Out...04-wine

Well yeah but he generally hires ball control oriented OC's.
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(12-06-2017 01:22 PM)HRFlossY Wrote:  
(12-06-2017 09:48 AM)krux Wrote:  
(12-06-2017 08:53 AM)sburks1906 Wrote:  As much as I liked the Taggart hire, I thought Strong was a stronger candidate, primarily based on his penchant for discipline and accountability.

I was (and am still) puzzled that Jimbo would leave a great FSU job for the pressure cooker at A&M, tho...

http://theklowntimes.net/2017/12/01/jimb...as-am-huh/

Strong isn't a fan of offense. He's content to win 2-0 every game. I don't think he would have been a good fit for FSU.

probably because he was a defensive coordinator...01-wingedeagle As long as you hire the right OC I think Strong would be fine as long as he can recruit Florida HEAVY!!


With that being said I LOVE the Taggert Hire. FSU isn't going anywhere.
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I'm of the opinion that Charlie Strong is a top notch coach that will eventually ascend to a much higher level of success at a much higher profile job. I've read that the Longhorn Network occupies an inordinate amount of the coaches' time. It seemed as if it were a significant impediment to the actual coaching.
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(12-06-2017 09:51 AM)H.U.S.T.L.E. Wrote:  
(12-06-2017 08:53 AM)sburks1906 Wrote:  As much as I liked the Taggart hire, I thought Strong was a stronger candidate, primarily based on his penchant for discipline and accountability.

I was (and am still) puzzled that Jimbo would leave a great FSU job for the pressure cooker at A&M, tho...

http://theklowntimes.net/2017/12/01/jimb...as-am-huh/

I think people just underestimate that some relationships can get strained.


Most people work with someone like that. They're usually very good at their job, but not very likable in the way they go about it and eventually, can fray everyone's nerves to the point where it's time to move on.

By all accounts, Jimbo seems like that kind of guy.

Seth Greenberg's dismissal from Virginia Tech was much of the same - he had taken a historically bad program to respectability in the ACC, but had burned enough bridges where it was just time to go. Circumstances are obviously different since Jimbo left on his own and had more cache due to winning a natty, but I think the comparison is somewhat apt.

Local radio did an interview with someone from a FSU fan site (Warchant maybe?). The guy said that during the hurricane week, on Fishers radio show, he complained about FSUs lack of commitment in facilities, etc. People with their names on buildings at FSU took offense. They had a new indoor practice facility and other improvements with more on the way. Fisher not only burned the bridge but he nuked it then peed on the rubble.
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(12-06-2017 04:15 PM)Wolfman Wrote:  
(12-06-2017 09:51 AM)H.U.S.T.L.E. Wrote:  
(12-06-2017 08:53 AM)sburks1906 Wrote:  As much as I liked the Taggart hire, I thought Strong was a stronger candidate, primarily based on his penchant for discipline and accountability.

I was (and am still) puzzled that Jimbo would leave a great FSU job for the pressure cooker at A&M, tho...

http://theklowntimes.net/2017/12/01/jimb...as-am-huh/

I think people just underestimate that some relationships can get strained.


Most people work with someone like that. They're usually very good at their job, but not very likable in the way they go about it and eventually, can fray everyone's nerves to the point where it's time to move on.

By all accounts, Jimbo seems like that kind of guy.

Seth Greenberg's dismissal from Virginia Tech was much of the same - he had taken a historically bad program to respectability in the ACC, but had burned enough bridges where it was just time to go. Circumstances are obviously different since Jimbo left on his own and had more cache due to winning a natty, but I think the comparison is somewhat apt.

Local radio did an interview with someone from a FSU fan site (Warchant maybe?). The guy said that during the hurricane week, on Fishers radio show, he complained about FSUs lack of commitment in facilities, etc. People with their names on buildings at FSU took offense. They had a new indoor practice facility and other improvements with more on the way. Fisher not only burned the bridge but he nuked it then peed on the rubble.

It was mainly the week of the Clemson game, not the hurricane week.

The guys was almost impossible to get along with on a personal or working level in the organization. One result of that was eventually having a coaching staff full of guys that literally (with a couple of exceptions) couldn't get a job working for anyone else on that level. i.e. a very subpar staff.

He had a lot of things about him that FSU fans were able to look past as long as he was winning...

- closing off nearly all access to players and coaches and practice
- running the slowest, most conservative offense in college football
- super complicated offense that meant that less talented upperclassmen were getting all the reps over 5-star super-athlete freshman
- refusal to self scout, or to take input from anyone on his staff or elsewhere
- extreme stubbornness and refusal to adapt
- lying, and when not lying, speaking extremely disingenuously, as if we were all stupid. Like saying we were "inches" from 5-1 because we'd lost several one possession games, which ignores the fact we'd WON one-possession games, making us equally "inches" from 0-7
- putting his name in the hat for other jobs every single year

And that's without the behind the scenes stuff, in which he was in constant conflict with nearly everyone.

Now, to be fair...he may have had some legitimate concerns. The booster structure may be outdated, and potentially not as aligned with the football program as it could be. I'm sure it didn't help that we don't have a real football AD. If so, I hope that changes...it needs to. However, it helps a ton if you have some people skills, and/or if you're handling your end on the field (like Saban), which he increasingly was not. As the FSU president said, these were not issues that reasonable adults should not be able to work through.

He's proven how petty he is, and how untruthful he is, in his appearances since taking the A&M job. In the end, I wish him luck, there are a lot of things I like about him...I think he really did care about and take care of his players, and I think he really loves his family. The very things that made his tenure eventually untenable also got FSU a whole lot of needed upgrades in a relatively short time. I can't wish actual ill will on the guy. It was just time.
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No disrespect to Fisher, but I think you can make the argument that FSU is better off with Taggart.
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(12-07-2017 08:05 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  No disrespect to Fisher, but I think you can make the argument that FSU is better off with Taggart.

Fisher did great things, but it looked an awful lot like we were staring down the barrel of a long, slow, Mack Brown/Bobby Bowden/Frank Beamer type decline. Obviously, you never know, but there are very few guys that "lose it" and are somehow able to pull it back to the top at the same school.

And before someone says that Jimbo Fisher is younger than those guys...it's not about being old...it's about not adapting, and Fisher was decidedly not at FSU. Maybe Texas A&M gives him a chance to reinvent himself a little, since he's not in an adversarial position where any adjustment or reconsideration of how he does things is automatically "giving up ground" in some eternal conflict.
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