(11-29-2017 05:26 PM)Djud Wrote:  Happy for the kid; let’s hope it boosts his confidence. The staff, in particular Carey, deserve a ton of credit for the kid getting this award. They could not have put this kid in a better position to grow and develop. They had his back when he was less than good, and they modified the offense to take advantage of his strengths and limit the impact of his weaknesses. They gave him nearly every conference snap. He will leave his freshman year as the most experienced QB on the roster. Childers was handeled perfectly, and I think the investment will ultimately pay off.

Well said.

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cannot believe some fans are actually giving some credit to Carey after bashing him and the offense so often yet still allowing a freshmen to be POY.

Ya cannot have it both ways.

Could be the next big thing in the MAC if he learns poise and how to throw this off-season....

(11-29-2017 10:33 PM)HuskiePride12 Wrote:  

(11-29-2017 10:08 PM)pjfleck82 Wrote:  

(11-29-2017 04:11 PM)NIU32 Wrote:  

(11-29-2017 03:39 PM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  

(11-29-2017 02:22 PM)BDB5yp Wrote:  So there was no other Freshman in the entire league that made an impact?

Who are you suggesting was more deserving?

Our stud punter Matt Ference???


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Yea watching him punt really makes me miss Anthony Gallagher or that tattooed chubby guy...Josh something.

What? My bet is ference goes down as our best punter all time by his senior year. We finally don't give teams great positions each punt

I thought Ference was better than most of our recent punters, and he's only a freshman. He struggled kicking against a really strong wind that one game, big deal.

Really hoping there will still be an open QB competition next spring and fall.

(11-30-2017 10:23 AM)NIU007 Wrote:  Really hoping there will still be an open QB competition next spring and fall.

I definitely think there should be. What I don't trust is the execution of a QB competition. With this coach and how this offense is constructed I think you would have the same chance of a functional healthy QB competition as you would a fair trial in North Korea

Things happen at QB, Graham/Santa/Childers were 1-2-3 to start the season, #3 gets most of the season.

Next year - season will start with Childers/Santa/Thompson as 1-2-3. I'll put $20 bucks on Thompson seeing the most action !!

Given my record of betting, this means Hall will start the season!

(11-30-2017 09:03 PM)NIU84 Wrote:  Things happen at QB, Graham/Santa/Childers were 1-2-3 to start the season, #3 gets most of the season.

Next year - season will start with Childers/Santa/Thompson as 1-2-3. I'll put $20 bucks on Thompson seeing the most action !!

Given my record of betting, this means Hall will start the season!

Lol I was about to say, what about Hall?

(11-30-2017 09:14 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(11-30-2017 09:03 PM)NIU84 Wrote:  Things happen at QB, Graham/Santa/Childers were 1-2-3 to start the season, #3 gets most of the season.

Next year - season will start with Childers/Santa/Thompson as 1-2-3. I'll put $20 bucks on Thompson seeing the most action !!

Given my record of betting, this means Hall will start the season!

Lol I was about to say, what about Hall?

The only thing we can say for sure is that Carey will flip a coin in the Hawkeye locker room because the QB race is "too close to call"

(11-30-2017 09:16 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(11-30-2017 09:14 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(11-30-2017 09:03 PM)NIU84 Wrote:  Things happen at QB, Graham/Santa/Childers were 1-2-3 to start the season, #3 gets most of the season.

Next year - season will start with Childers/Santa/Thompson as 1-2-3. I'll put $20 bucks on Thompson seeing the most action !!

Given my record of betting, this means Hall will start the season!

Lol I was about to say, what about Hall?

The only thing we can say for sure is that Carey will flip a coin in the Hawkeye locker room because the QB race is "too close to call"

Yea we might have 4 QBs playing our first game again.

(11-30-2017 09:54 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(11-30-2017 09:16 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(11-30-2017 09:14 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(11-30-2017 09:03 PM)NIU84 Wrote:  Things happen at QB, Graham/Santa/Childers were 1-2-3 to start the season, #3 gets most of the season.

Next year - season will start with Childers/Santa/Thompson as 1-2-3. I'll put $20 bucks on Thompson seeing the most action !!

Given my record of betting, this means Hall will start the season!

Lol I was about to say, what about Hall?

The only thing we can say for sure is that Carey will flip a coin in the Hawkeye locker room because the QB race is "too close to call"

Yea we might have 4 QBs playing our first game again.

Get your tickets to Barnum and baileys circus 2018 tour.

amazing to consider childers awarded MAC FPOY yet according to several "experts" here Marcus had an awful coach and awful offense in which to operate....how does that work?

(11-30-2017 11:34 PM)nucyberdawg Wrote:  amazing to consider childers awarded MAC FPOY yet according to several "experts" here Marcus had an awful coach and awful offense in which to operate....how does that work?

And pretty amazing to think a MAC FPOY was on the 10 most wanted CSNBBS list. You would think Childers was a felon by the judgment of people on this board. Pretty amazing what Childers accomplished given the limitations he was playing under with the mismanagement of the position in the summer, and the primitive basic predicatable offense. The dude can make plays where there is none to be made.

I don’t think there are many people who are real Huskie fans that don’t appreciate what the kid has accomplished. The disconnect is that you seem to believe he has done what he has done in spite of the coaching and the scheme. There are many, myself included, that are of the opinion that what he has accomplished is in larger part attributed to the way he has been coached, and how the scheme was adjusted to his skill set. To say that staff did not give Childers the opportunity to make big plays on a consistent basis is simply false.

(12-01-2017 09:28 AM)Djud Wrote:  I don’t think there are many people who are real Huskie fans that don’t appreciate what the kid has accomplished. The disconnect is that you seem to believe he has done what he has done in spite of the coaching and the scheme. There are many, myself included, that are of the opinion that what he has accomplished is in larger part attributed to the way he has been coached, and how the scheme was adjusted to his skill set. The say that staff did not give Childers the opportunity to make big plays on a consistent basis is simply false.

All you have to do is remember MDs agenda and you know why he posts what he posts. A player who is bad is really a good player whom Carey ruined. A player who is good has done so in spite of Carey trying to ruin him. It's really quite smart. This way he is never wrong when he says some one is good or bad. He can always be right by blaming Carey when he's obviously wrong.

(12-01-2017 10:46 AM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  

(12-01-2017 09:28 AM)Djud Wrote:  I don’t think there are many people who are real Huskie fans that don’t appreciate what the kid has accomplished. The disconnect is that you seem to believe he has done what he has done in spite of the coaching and the scheme. There are many, myself included, that are of the opinion that what he has accomplished is in larger part attributed to the way he has been coached, and how the scheme was adjusted to his skill set. The say that staff did not give Childers the opportunity to make big plays on a consistent basis is simply false.

All you have to do is remember MDs agenda and you know why he posts what he posts. A player who is bad is really a good player whom Carey ruined. A player who is good has done so in spite of Carey trying to ruin him. It's really quite smart. This way he is never wrong when he says some one is good or bad. He can always be right by blaming Carey when he's obviously wrong.

Count me in on those with an agenda that is against 4 QBs fighting for a job where no decisions are ever made to who wins the job. You can also count me in on the agenda where offense is run from a scared, conservative, primitive perspective that doesn't allow players to make plays. Yep, I wear that agenda with pride.

(12-01-2017 11:57 AM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(12-01-2017 10:46 AM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  

(12-01-2017 09:28 AM)Djud Wrote:  I don’t think there are many people who are real Huskie fans that don’t appreciate what the kid has accomplished. The disconnect is that you seem to believe he has done what he has done in spite of the coaching and the scheme. There are many, myself included, that are of the opinion that what he has accomplished is in larger part attributed to the way he has been coached, and how the scheme was adjusted to his skill set. The say that staff did not give Childers the opportunity to make big plays on a consistent basis is simply false.

All you have to do is remember MDs agenda and you know why he posts what he posts. A player who is bad is really a good player whom Carey ruined. A player who is good has done so in spite of Carey trying to ruin him. It's really quite smart. This way he is never wrong when he says some one is good or bad. He can always be right by blaming Carey when he's obviously wrong.

Count me in on those with an agenda that is against 4 QBs fighting for a job where no decisions are ever made to who wins the job. You can also count me in on the agenda where offense is run from a scared, conservative, primitive perspective that doesn't allow players to make plays. Yep, I wear that agenda with pride.

2017 was just like 2014. You had a QB battle going into the spring and fall because no proven starter was on the roster. A starter was named and given the chance to prove he is worthy. It worked in 2014 because Hare was good and emerged because he was given a chance. It didn't in 2017 because no one was good. Graham won the job. Got hurt. We have no way of telling if Graham would have been the best choice, but the process was exactly the same. You're saying name a starter regardless if he's proven to be the best. Carey is trying to let the guy who plays the best win the job. Different philosophies. Not incompetence.

2015 and 2016 Carey could do what you're saying. A starter given total run of the first team all year. I wouldn't commit to Graham in 2017 if I was Carey. And I wouldn't name Santa or Childers the starter without seeing them play some. If you think he should have named Childers starter in spring, that's fine. But I think a competition is a better way to go. Like I said, same philosophy worked to a MACC in 2014.

(12-01-2017 12:11 PM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  

(12-01-2017 11:57 AM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(12-01-2017 10:46 AM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  

(12-01-2017 09:28 AM)Djud Wrote:  I don’t think there are many people who are real Huskie fans that don’t appreciate what the kid has accomplished. The disconnect is that you seem to believe he has done what he has done in spite of the coaching and the scheme. There are many, myself included, that are of the opinion that what he has accomplished is in larger part attributed to the way he has been coached, and how the scheme was adjusted to his skill set. The say that staff did not give Childers the opportunity to make big plays on a consistent basis is simply false.

All you have to do is remember MDs agenda and you know why he posts what he posts. A player who is bad is really a good player whom Carey ruined. A player who is good has done so in spite of Carey trying to ruin him. It's really quite smart. This way he is never wrong when he says some one is good or bad. He can always be right by blaming Carey when he's obviously wrong.

Count me in on those with an agenda that is against 4 QBs fighting for a job where no decisions are ever made to who wins the job. You can also count me in on the agenda where offense is run from a scared, conservative, primitive perspective that doesn't allow players to make plays. Yep, I wear that agenda with pride.

2017 was just like 2014. You had a QB battle going into the spring and fall because no proven starter was on the roster. A starter was named and given the chance to prove he is worthy. It worked in 2014 because Hare was good and emerged because he was given a chance. It didn't in 2017 because no one was good. Graham won the job. Got hurt. We have no way of telling if Graham would have been the best choice, but the process was exactly the same. You're saying name a starter regardless if he's proven to be the best. Carey is trying to let the guy who plays the best win the job. Different philosophies. Not incompetence.

2015 and 2016 Carey could do what you're saying. A starter given total run of the first team all year. I wouldn't commit to Graham in 2017 if I was Carey. And I wouldn't name Santa or Childers the starter without seeing them play some. If you think he should have named Childers starter in spring, that's fine. But I think a competition is a better way to go. Like I said, same philosophy worked to a MACC in 2014.

The problem is, there is no way to evaluate a QB under Carey because the offense being run does not requite enough QB skills to be on display to determine who is a better QB. It really is a perpetual loop of frustration.

(12-01-2017 12:59 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(12-01-2017 12:11 PM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  

(12-01-2017 11:57 AM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(12-01-2017 10:46 AM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  

(12-01-2017 09:28 AM)Djud Wrote:  I don’t think there are many people who are real Huskie fans that don’t appreciate what the kid has accomplished. The disconnect is that you seem to believe he has done what he has done in spite of the coaching and the scheme. There are many, myself included, that are of the opinion that what he has accomplished is in larger part attributed to the way he has been coached, and how the scheme was adjusted to his skill set. The say that staff did not give Childers the opportunity to make big plays on a consistent basis is simply false.

All you have to do is remember MDs agenda and you know why he posts what he posts. A player who is bad is really a good player whom Carey ruined. A player who is good has done so in spite of Carey trying to ruin him. It's really quite smart. This way he is never wrong when he says some one is good or bad. He can always be right by blaming Carey when he's obviously wrong.

Count me in on those with an agenda that is against 4 QBs fighting for a job where no decisions are ever made to who wins the job. You can also count me in on the agenda where offense is run from a scared, conservative, primitive perspective that doesn't allow players to make plays. Yep, I wear that agenda with pride.

2017 was just like 2014. You had a QB battle going into the spring and fall because no proven starter was on the roster. A starter was named and given the chance to prove he is worthy. It worked in 2014 because Hare was good and emerged because he was given a chance. It didn't in 2017 because no one was good. Graham won the job. Got hurt. We have no way of telling if Graham would have been the best choice, but the process was exactly the same. You're saying name a starter regardless if he's proven to be the best. Carey is trying to let the guy who plays the best win the job. Different philosophies. Not incompetence.

2015 and 2016 Carey could do what you're saying. A starter given total run of the first team all year. I wouldn't commit to Graham in 2017 if I was Carey. And I wouldn't name Santa or Childers the starter without seeing them play some. If you think he should have named Childers starter in spring, that's fine. But I think a competition is a better way to go. Like I said, same philosophy worked to a MACC in 2014.

The problem is, there is no way to evaluate a QB under Carey because the offense being run does not requite enough QB skills to be on display to determine who is a better QB. It really is a perpetual loop of frustration.

I agree...to a degree. I'm not a fan of this offense. That was the main reason I wanted Santa. But I'm not sure the offense isn't being suited to the QBs available. Hare was running less and less and it felt like they were altering the offense some. They definitely altered it for Santa. Then they went back to a much more safe offense with Childers. But he's a freshman, so while it's frustrating, it makes sense. I will be really disappointed if they don't open it up next season.