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RE: The WAC's Next Move
I agree with Sugray2’s analysis; I don’t think the Mountain West is prepared to act for 2018, and that 2019 is more likely. It also gives time to get BYU onboard, even if their football remains independent. There isn’t much value in adding BYU football before 2026 anyway due to the CFP payout structure.

The WCC losing Gonzaga is still a threat to the WAC, as it would pave the way for the WCC to add Seattle or even Grand Canyon.

The WCC losing both Gonzaga and BYU may keep the WAC out of harm’s way, but only if the MWC doesn’t expand to 14 with Gonzaga, BYU, and a WAC school. I wonder if BYU would consider The Summit League, especially given that Fort Wayne is bound to leave at some point.
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RE: The WAC's Next Move
Lets look at the schools not mentioned on the list that does have better basketball and football schools who might be interested in moving to a multi-bid conference.

North Dakota
North Dakota State
South Dakota
South Dakota State
UTSA
Montana
Montana State
Portland State

I know they are not bigger than Gonzaga, St. Mary's and BYU, but they are better at both sports than Rice and UTEP right now. Some are even better than Grand Canyon right now.

Portland State could give MWC another tv market. Football have been up and down. They even beat Oregon State in football a few years ago.

The Montana twins could help Wyoming in travel cost when Wyoming are having money issues right now being in FBS.

The Dakotas could help boast the football side, and upped the RPIs some.
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Im sorry but please stop this Big Sky MVFC to the MWC stuff

North Dakota unless something is going to change the MWC won't let them w/ a 12k seat football stadium

Portland State football almost went belly up recently and the Timber are in the process of boxing them out of using their stadium for football and last I checked PSU plays football games at local high school stadiums and the MWC won't consider them either.

Montana and Montana St are nice schools but MWC won't take both schools.

The only Dakota worthy of FBS is the one most likely to stay put in FCS. NDSU seems perfectly happy beating up on crappy mid west schools and a lower FBS school from time to time.

UTSA is the only school that you have listed that would have a good shot at joining the MWC but I'm sure they would try and push for Texas St to join them
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(03-03-2018 09:11 AM)chargeradio Wrote:  I agree with Sugray2’s analysis; I don’t think the Mountain West is prepared to act for 2018, and that 2019 is more likely. It also gives time to get BYU onboard, even if their football remains independent. There isn’t much value in adding BYU football before 2026 anyway due to the CFP payout structure.

The WCC losing Gonzaga is still a threat to the WAC, as it would pave the way for the WCC to add Seattle or even Grand Canyon.

The WCC losing both Gonzaga and BYU may keep the WAC out of harm’s way, but only if the MWC doesn’t expand to 14 with Gonzaga, BYU, and a WAC school. I wonder if BYU would consider The Summit League, especially given that Fort Wayne is bound to leave at some point.

In regards on the CFP you have a point about BYU football, however, for the upcoming TV contract, it will make a significant difference. Adding BYU basketball just splits the pie more and negates the gain of GU.
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(03-03-2018 12:50 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Lets look at the schools not mentioned on the list that does have better basketball and football schools who might be interested in moving to a multi-bid conference.

North Dakota
North Dakota State
South Dakota
South Dakota State
UTSA
Montana
Montana State
Portland State

I know they are not bigger than Gonzaga, St. Mary's and BYU, but they are better at both sports than Rice and UTEP right now. Some are even better than Grand Canyon right now.

Portland State could give MWC another tv market. Football have been up and down. They even beat Oregon State in football a few years ago.

The Montana twins could help Wyoming in travel cost when Wyoming are having money issues right now being in FBS.

The Dakotas could help boast the football side, and upped the RPIs some.

Yeah, let's not.

How does adding Montana help the travel costs at Wyoming? Every school in the Mountain Division is closer to UW than UM, even New Mexico State is closer. Not that it matters anyway because money may get tight every now and then but UW will always get what they need.

The Mountain West is not going to add a school just for a market. Markets are not as important anymore; just ask CUSA how well it's worked for them lately. I would take a school with a large dedicated fan base over a just because it's located in a large city school.

Now for the facts you never bother to look up; Portland State has never beaten Oregon State and except for 2017 it's not been close. From the Portland State media guide.

OREGON STATE
Oregon State leads 5-0
1983 Oregon State _________14-51
2005 at Oregon State _______14-41
2009 at Oregon State _______ 7-34
2014 at Oregon State _______14-29
2017 at Oregon State _______32-35

and to add insult to injury ...

OREGON STATE FRESHMEN
Oregon State Freshmen leads 1-0
1947 Oregon State Frosh_____ 0-20
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Just to let those that don't know adding BB(Olympic sports) teams to a FB conference does not hurt them much or at all in payouts.

To put into perspective Wichita State deal to AAC is only a 30%, when they get it. Right now all WSU get is the money they earn from NCAA tournament Credits.

When they switch to a 30% share(Navy as FB only gets a 70% share) there NCAA tournament Credits get pooled with the rest of AAC before being even split.

A team Gonzaga makes more in NCAA tournament credits than a 30% share of MWC yearly payout.

BYU who makes it 3 out of 4 or so years is even money and boost Strength of Schedule and RPI for everyone.
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(03-01-2018 09:13 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  PRWolfe's Men's basketball RPIs

This is the latest from PRWolfe's who is also reliable, but he covers all divisions under 1.

The rumors of moving and the best of men's hoops out west.

11.Gonzaga
26.St. Mary's
50.New Mexico State
51.South Dakota State
76.South Dakota
81.UC-Santa Barbara
82.BYU
94.Montana
102.Idaho
103.UC-Davis
107.Utah Valley
123.Northern Colorado
128.Portland State
129.Fullerton State
142.UC-irvine
144.Eastern Washington
147.U. of San Diego
149.Weber State
153.Western Oregon
156.Utah State
169.Grand Canyon U.
172.San Francisco
175.Seattle
188.UTSA
200.Southern Nazarene Oklahoma
202.Hawaii
203.Pacific
209.Long Beach State
231.Denver
223.North Dakota State
224.UTRGV
232.West Texas A&M
233.CSU-Bakersfield


375.UTEP and 472.Rice are bad adds.

UTSA, UTRGV, N. Texas, West texas A&M, Texas State, UTPB, SFA, Abilene Christian and Tarleton State are better adds win-lose wise. Not sure Rice and UTEP would bring a better bargain as a pair. I do think UTEP and UTSA would be the better pairing.

“Out West” means South Dakota St???
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(03-04-2018 07:26 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  “Out West” means South Dakota St???

Out West of the Mississippi River! 04-cheers
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(03-04-2018 04:15 AM)Lopes87 Wrote:  Im sorry but please stop this Big Sky MVFC to the MWC stuff

North Dakota unless something is going to change the MWC won't let them w/ a 12k seat football stadium

Portland State football almost went belly up recently and the Timber are in the process of boxing them out of using their stadium for football and last I checked PSU plays football games at local high school stadiums and the MWC won't consider them either.

Montana and Montana St are nice schools but MWC won't take both schools.

The only Dakota worthy of FBS is the one most likely to stay put in FCS. NDSU seems perfectly happy beating up on crappy mid west schools and a lower FBS school from time to time.

UTSA is the only school that you have listed that would have a good shot at joining the MWC but I'm sure they would try and push for Texas St to join them

Supposedly, UTSA had the option of MWC or CUSA when they left the WAC and chose CUSA. They wanted to be in an eastern facing league that had instate rivals rather than being on an island.
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(03-04-2018 07:26 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  
(03-01-2018 09:13 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  PRWolfe's Men's basketball RPIs

This is the latest from PRWolfe's who is also reliable, but he covers all divisions under 1.

The rumors of moving and the best of men's hoops out west.

11.Gonzaga
26.St. Mary's
50.New Mexico State
51.South Dakota State
76.South Dakota
81.UC-Santa Barbara
82.BYU
94.Montana
102.Idaho
103.UC-Davis
107.Utah Valley
123.Northern Colorado
128.Portland State
129.Fullerton State
142.UC-irvine
144.Eastern Washington
147.U. of San Diego
149.Weber State
153.Western Oregon
156.Utah State
169.Grand Canyon U.
172.San Francisco
175.Seattle
188.UTSA
200.Southern Nazarene Oklahoma
202.Hawaii
203.Pacific
209.Long Beach State
231.Denver
223.North Dakota State
224.UTRGV
232.West Texas A&M
233.CSU-Bakersfield


375.UTEP and 472.Rice are bad adds.

UTSA, UTRGV, N. Texas, West texas A&M, Texas State, UTPB, SFA, Abilene Christian and Tarleton State are better adds win-lose wise. Not sure Rice and UTEP would bring a better bargain as a pair. I do think UTEP and UTSA would be the better pairing.

“Out West” means South Dakota St???

As it is, New Mexico and UTEP do not want New Mexico State in the same conference for any sports. We have to remember that.

As for Wyoming? If they have the Montana twins and the Dakota schools in the same conference? The cost of travel is cheaper than the cost of travel to California and Hawaii. If the MWC do get some Big West California schools for all sports? Hawaii could be in for all sports as well. Some of the MWC schools have a P5 screaming on them like BYU. Could the MWC go to 24 teams taking Big West, Big Sky, WAC, Summit schools? I do think that MWC would take a school like Fullerton State in as a full member because of the baseball.
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Dude get out of here. Stop with these stupid ideas of the MWC being 24 teams from multiple leagues. No G5/P5 will take a entire athletic department just so they can get their hands on a baseball program. Also why call Cal State Fullerton, Fullerton State? It is not their school name. Should we call UW Bothell University Bothell? Or WSU Everett, Everett State?
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Jeez... 22 pages now. This thread has lived far too long. We can revisit conference realignment when... something "actually" happens.
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Yeah this has run its course.
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(03-05-2018 09:26 PM)Lopes87 Wrote:  Dude get out of here. Stop with these stupid ideas of the MWC being 24 teams from multiple leagues. No G5/P5 will take a entire athletic department just so they can get their hands on a baseball program. Also why call Cal State Fullerton, Fullerton State? It is not their school name. Should we call UW Bothell University Bothell? Or WSU Everett, Everett State?


Fullerton State was called that when they had football. So, it is actually one of the correct ways to say it that way. The Cal. State schools that had football went the way like Las Angeles State, Fullerton State, Long Beach State, Chico State, Sonoma State, Fresno State, San Diego State, San Jose State, Northridge State, San Francisco State and so on.
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(03-06-2018 12:05 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  
(03-05-2018 09:26 PM)Lopes87 Wrote:  Dude get out of here. Stop with these stupid ideas of the MWC being 24 teams from multiple leagues. No G5/P5 will take a entire athletic department just so they can get their hands on a baseball program. Also why call Cal State Fullerton, Fullerton State? It is not their school name. Should we call UW Bothell University Bothell? Or WSU Everett, Everett State?


Fullerton State was called that when they had football. So, it is actually one of the correct ways to say it that way. The Cal. State schools that had football went the way like Las Angeles State, Fullerton State, Long Beach State, Chico State, Sonoma State, Fresno State, San Diego State, San Jose State, Northridge State, San Francisco State and so on.

Well, there are the facts and then there are your facts. The difference is your facts are nothing but fiction.
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Key questions for potential Mountain West expansion
https://lasvegassun.com/news/2018/mar/06...expansio/#

What would the WAC do to react to potential expansion moves by the MWC if WAC members are in play for a MWC-14/MWC-26???

Should the WAC be more proactive to buffer/cushion any impact from MWC and/or Summit expansion???
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Not sure Grand Canyon is a sure bet to the MWC, but would be for The WCC replacement.

But, with the issue with New Mexico State, Grand Canyon, California Baptist, Chicago State and UMKC could be gone from the WAC? California Baptist and Grand Canyon U. both could go to the WCC as replacements for BYU and Gonzaga and Seattle for St. Mary's. Westminster in Utah, Northwest Nazarene, and St. Martin's in Seattle are all privates as well that could fit the WCC's mold as well. Could Denver move from Summit to WCC as well? That would open a spot up for UMKC to go back to the Summit.

Utah Valley
UTRGV
and maybe California Baptist are stuck now.
New Mexico State could be blocked from joining the MWC as well.
The moves are said to take place at the end of the season to get the new MWC tv package deal. This points to me that Tarleton State, Azusa Pacific, Dixie State and West Texas A&M could get the call up by the WAC starting this year for the next few years.

UMKC's is in hurt of trouble with financial issues for them to even stay in the WAC.
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(03-05-2018 09:29 PM)NMSUPistolPete Wrote:  Jeez... 22 pages now. This thread has lived far too long. We can revisit conference realignment when... something "actually" happens.

Turn this into the WAC Board's version of a "Neverending thread" that some other boards keep going. 03-wink
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I would love nothing more then to have the WAC Tournament in KC!!!
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(03-06-2018 05:39 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Not sure Grand Canyon is a sure bet to the MWC, but would be for The WCC replacement.

But, with the issue with New Mexico State, Grand Canyon, California Baptist, Chicago State and UMKC could be gone from the WAC? California Baptist and Grand Canyon U. both could go to the WCC as replacements for BYU and Gonzaga and Seattle for St. Mary's. Westminster in Utah, Northwest Nazarene, and St. Martin's in Seattle are all privates as well that could fit the WCC's mold as well. Could Denver move from Summit to WCC as well? That would open a spot up for UMKC to go back to the Summit.

Utah Valley
UTRGV
and maybe California Baptist are stuck now.
New Mexico State could be blocked from joining the MWC as well.
The moves are said to take place at the end of the season to get the new MWC tv package deal. This points to me that Tarleton State, Azusa Pacific, Dixie State and West Texas A&M could get the call up by the WAC starting this year for the next few years.

UMKC's is in hurt of trouble with financial issues for them to even stay in the WAC.

St Martin's isn't in Seattle it's 60 miles south and in no way a viable D-1 option nor is NNU in Nampa both don't have the money or the student population. NNU 2000 students St Martin's has 1600 students
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