(11-29-2017 11:38 AM)Gamecock Wrote:  

(11-29-2017 09:17 AM)ken d Wrote:  

(11-29-2017 08:50 AM)Gamecock Wrote:  Or we could just go to an 8 team playoff with a guaranteed G5 slot

Do you not think a playoff should include the best teams?

I don't think 14 Boise St, 15 Houston, 16 Western Michigan, or 17 UCF would have been reaches in an 8 team playoff.

If there is a bad matchup one year then it's only one game and the number one team gets a reward for an outstanding season. It would also be compelling TV

That's my ideal scenario as P5 fan. (However, I still think it stinks for G5...66 of you fighting for one spot...and even then, you're forced to play on the #1 seed's home turf in the first round?!?! I'd prefer the playoff...)

Most G5 reps would be solid opponents and I bet we'd even see an 8 over 1 upset every blue moon or so. App St over Mich in 06...Toledo over PSU in 01...Troy over LSU in 17...etc, etc.

(11-29-2017 01:04 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(11-29-2017 12:42 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(11-29-2017 12:26 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(11-29-2017 12:14 PM)Jjoey52 Wrote:  

(11-29-2017 11:03 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Yea an 8 team playoff is what I think would be the best solution.

1) Conference champions of the ACC, SEC, B1G, Big XII, and Pac12
2) One dedicated slot for a G5 (picked via a computer system - but must be a conference champion)
3) Two at large bids determined by computer system
4) No more than two teams from the same conference can be picked
5) First round on the last Saturday before New Years
6) Second round on the first Saturday after New Years
7) Championship on the second Saturday after New Years
8) Teams in the playoffs have unlimited extra practice time between the CCG and the date of their loss or the end of the season.

This year the teams would probably be

1. Clemson (ACC)
2. Auburn (SEC)
3. Oklahoma (Big XII)
4. Wisconsin (B1G)
5. USC (Pac12)
6. Alabama (SEC)
7. Ohio State (B1G)
8. UCF (G5)

Seeding

Clemson vs UCF
Wisconsin vs USC

Auburn vs Ohio State
Alabama vs Oklahoma


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Everyone pretty much wins

1) The P5 teams get a guaranteed spot in the playoffs and the ability to place more than 1 team
2) The G5 gets a guaranteed spot
3) There'd probably be more money anyway

It really doesn't change Notre Dame's position anyway.

This is the best solution, but impossible to implement until current contract done. If P5 do not agree to this, then go to a G5 (yes AAC, this means you), make it an 8 team playoff, 16 renders the regular season irrelevant. The G5 schools are large enough to get a decent contract for the playoffs.


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I don't think you'd like that scenario if you were a G5. There is a way for a G5 to crash the playoffs even today. The problem is that many of our better G5 teams refuse to schedule properly.

The G5 playoff contract would return no money. Unless P5 teams are playing in it, it would be irrelevant.

Scheduling "properly" requires two to tango. Someone must say "yes" to an offer from Boise or Houston or Memphis (etc) for it work. That's easier said than done. Secondly, I doubt it would make much difference. As long as the P5 have 12 of 13 votes on the committee, the SOS argument is going to carry the day because that's better for the P5.

UH would have gone last year, had they not faltered in conference play. There is a path, its just going to be very difficult.

I dont think so. Might would have cracked the top 10, but based on what Im seeing there is no way for a G5 to get anywhere close to the top 4. The current composition of the committee absolutely blocks any chance of a G5 rising that high.

The current situation is probably locked in for another 8 years. Learn from it and dont repeat it in the next CFP negotiations. For now, I'd suggest the G5 create 3 new bowls that would offer a suitabl post season destination for the 4 G5 champs not in the access bowl. This can be done in a couple of years when the current bowl cycle ends. I'd start now by pooling some of the G5 85 million pay out (say 5 million a year) to create a G5 Champions Bowl fund. In 3 years when the first bowl occurred it would have 15 million in the pool. I'd create three--2 of which would have pay outs high enough to attract a high selction from a P5 conference (could be a rotating tie).

Top G5 champ--access bowl (already exists)

#2 G5 Champ vs #3-#4 selection from a P5 confernece in new G5 owned bowl (5 million payout-3.5 million to P5/1.5 million to G5)

#3 G5 Champ vs #3-#4 selection from a P5 confernece in new G5 owned bowl (5 million payout-3.5 million to P5/1.5 million to G5)

#4 G5 Champ vs #5 G5 Champ meet in new G5 owned bowl (3 million payout/1.5 million each).

I see no reason why these bowls would not be self sustaining once they are established. They might even create a new income stream. At the very least, they cover most all their expenses and only require a small amount of additional investment annually to keep them operating after the initial 15 million dollar investment. Thats fixes the biggest problem faced by G5 football--no suitable post season destination for their champs. There is no reason a solution like this cant be done other than a lack of vision and a refusal of the G5 to invest in themselves.

(11-29-2017 01:20 PM)YNot Wrote:  I'd incorporate the G5 playoff idea with an expansion of the current CFP system and go with a 12-team playoff.

PARTICIPANT SELECTION
Autobids for the 10 conference champions and 2 wild card selections. No special bids for P5 v. G5. As long as the P5 and G5 co-exist in the same FBS division, they have access to the playoff. The wild card participants and seeding can be based on a computer system, BCS-like formula, or selection committee. My guess is that the system would keep the selection committee.

CFP PLAY-IN STRUCTURE
There is a preliminary round to see which of the Wild Card selections and which of the bottom 4 champions make the quarterfinals field. (think the 16-seed and 12-seed games from the NCAAB tournament)

Part 1: Play-In
The second Saturday in December, there are two "play-in" games among the 4 lowest ranked champions (likely G5 champions), hosted by the two higher ranked of the 4 bottom champions. The two winners advance to Round 2 to play each other. The two losers advance to pre-determined bowl games.

Part 2: Wild Card game and 8-seed game
The following weekend there are two more games: one is the Wild Card game between the two Wild Card selections and the other is among the Play-In winners from the previous week. If logistically feasible, it would be sweet to have these games played in a back-to-back double header at a pre-determined venue. This would likely help with attendance while staging the games on a neutral field.

The Wild Card winners advances to play the #2 or #3 seed (depending on whether the last of the top-6 champions was ranked higher or lower before the play-in games). The Play-In winner advances to play the #1 seed.

The Wild Card loser advances to a consolation NY7 bowl game. The Play-In loser advances to a pre-determined consolation bowl game.

+ In the rare circumstance where there are 7 or more conference champions ranked ahead of the Wild Card participants, the selection committee moves one or two of the champions into the Wild Card game and one (or both) of the Wild Card participants into the Play-In bracket. This way the highly-ranked bottom conference champions are not penalized.

CFP QUARTERFINALS
The top-6 conference champions get an automatic bye to the CFP quarterfinals. The #1 seed gets the Play-In winner and the #2 seed gets the Wild Card winner, UNLESS one of the top-6 champions is ranked behind the Wild Card participants, in which case the #2 seed gets that #6 champion and the #3 seed gets the Wild Card winner. (see below)

The week before Christmas, the top 4 champions host Round 2. This is a huge reward and advantage for the top-4 conference champions. This helps to ensure the quality and importance of the fantastic college football regular season and conference championship games. Winners advance to CFP semifinals. Losers advance to consolation New Year's Day NY7 bowl games.

(add new Las Vegas Bowl to accommodate extra teams).

CFP SEMIFINALS
CFP semifinals on New Year's Day, per the current system.


CFP NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP
CFP National Championship on the first Monday that is at least one week after New Year's Day, per the current system.

2017 EXAMPLE
Assuming the higher ranked teams win their respective CCGs and each respective round. #5 Alabama and #7 Georgia look like the at large selections.

December 9, 2017
ROUND 1 (8-seed Play-In)
Florida Atlantic (CUSA) at #25 Fresno St. (MWC)
Troy (Sun Belt) at Toledo (MAC)

December 16, 2017
ROUND 2 (Play-in)
8-seed game: #25 Fresno St. v. Toledo
Round 1 winners

6-seed (Wild Card) game: #5 Alabama v. #7 Georgia
*UCF gets the #7 seed, because they are ranked behind the Wild Card participants.

December 22-23, 2017
QUARTERFINAL ROUND
(8)#25 Fresno St.* at (1)#1 Clemson(ACC)
(7)#10 UCF(AAC) at (2)#2 Auburn (SEC)
(6)#5 Alabama+ at (3)#3 Oklahoma(B12)
(5)#6 USC(PAC) at (4)#4 Wisconsin (B1G)
*8-seed Play-In winner
+6-seed Wild Card winner

Consolation Bowls:
New Orleans Bowl: Troy v. FAU
Armed Forces Bowl: Toledo v. B12 or AAC

January 1, 2018
CFP SEMIFINAL ROUND
Sugar Bowl: (1)Clemson v. (4)Wisconsin
Rose Bowl: (2)Auburn v. (3)Oklahoma
Quarterfinal winners - assuming higher ranked wins

NY7 Consolation Bowls
Orange Bowl: Miami v. Penn St.
Peach Bowl: Georgia v. UCF
Cotton Bowl: Alabama v. Ohio St.
Fiesta Bowl: USC v. TCU
Las Vegas Bowl: Fresno St. v. Stanford

January 8, 2018
CFP NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP
Atlanta, Georgia: (1)Clemson v. (2)Auburn
Semifinal winners - assuming higher ranked wins

Everyone wins:

1) The P5 teams get a guaranteed spot in the playoffs and the ability to place more than 1 team.
2) With the extra NY7 bowl game, the P5 conferences can keep their Rose, Sugar, and Orange bowl contracts.
3) ALL FBS conferences, non-champs, and independents have access to the playoff.
4) The autobids and seeding structure ensure the importance and excitement of the regular season and conference championships. Huge home game rewards for the top 4 champions
5) Quality football played in early December.
6) $$$$$$$!!

To accommodate the additional games from the extended playoff access, reduce the regular season to 11 games; however, allow one FCS exhibition game that does not count toward your record, standings, or statistics. Also, allow redshirt players to play in the exhibition game.

This is a big win because it keeps the payday for FCS teams and gives everyone the opportunity for a cupcake tune-up game, but doesn't water down the regular season. Gives coaches and fans the opportunity to see bench and redshirt players in action, while giving starters a needed break. It would also adjust bowl-eligibility back to having a winning record (6-5) for most bowl teams.

So, for the top-6 CFP participants, there would be the same number of games as the status quo - plus the home exhibition game, if desired.

For a Wild Card team that reaches the National Championship, there would be one additional game from the status quo. This is not a major burden - and the Wild Card system helps to maintain the importance of the regular season and conference championships.

For a Play-In team that reaches the National Championship, there would be two additional games. However, it would take a miracle season for a bottom 4 conference champion, likely ranked well outside the top-10 - if even in the top-25, to beat the #1 team on the road and then win a CFP semi-final bowl game against a top-10 team.

Actually pretty well thought out and actually makes a crap load of money.

(11-29-2017 02:51 PM)otown Wrote:  

(11-29-2017 01:20 PM)YNot Wrote:  I'd incorporate the G5 playoff idea with an expansion of the current CFP system and go with a 12-team playoff.

PARTICIPANT SELECTION
Autobids for the 10 conference champions and 2 wild card selections. No special bids for P5 v. G5. As long as the P5 and G5 co-exist in the same FBS division, they have access to the playoff. The wild card participants and seeding can be based on a computer system, BCS-like formula, or selection committee. My guess is that the system would keep the selection committee.

CFP PLAY-IN STRUCTURE
There is a preliminary round to see which of the Wild Card selections and which of the bottom 4 champions make the quarterfinals field. (think the 16-seed and 12-seed games from the NCAAB tournament)

Part 1: Play-In
The second Saturday in December, there are two "play-in" games among the 4 lowest ranked champions (likely G5 champions), hosted by the two higher ranked of the 4 bottom champions. The two winners advance to Round 2 to play each other. The two losers advance to pre-determined bowl games.

Part 2: Wild Card game and 8-seed game
The following weekend there are two more games: one is the Wild Card game between the two Wild Card selections and the other is among the Play-In winners from the previous week. If logistically feasible, it would be sweet to have these games played in a back-to-back double header at a pre-determined venue. This would likely help with attendance while staging the games on a neutral field.

The Wild Card winners advances to play the #2 or #3 seed (depending on whether the last of the top-6 champions was ranked higher or lower before the play-in games). The Play-In winner advances to play the #1 seed.

The Wild Card loser advances to a consolation NY7 bowl game. The Play-In loser advances to a pre-determined consolation bowl game.

+ In the rare circumstance where there are 7 or more conference champions ranked ahead of the Wild Card participants, the selection committee moves one or two of the champions into the Wild Card game and one (or both) of the Wild Card participants into the Play-In bracket. This way the highly-ranked bottom conference champions are not penalized.

CFP QUARTERFINALS
The top-6 conference champions get an automatic bye to the CFP quarterfinals. The #1 seed gets the Play-In winner and the #2 seed gets the Wild Card winner, UNLESS one of the top-6 champions is ranked behind the Wild Card participants, in which case the #2 seed gets that #6 champion and the #3 seed gets the Wild Card winner. (see below)

The week before Christmas, the top 4 champions host Round 2. This is a huge reward and advantage for the top-4 conference champions. This helps to ensure the quality and importance of the fantastic college football regular season and conference championship games. Winners advance to CFP semifinals. Losers advance to consolation New Year's Day NY7 bowl games.

(add new Las Vegas Bowl to accommodate extra teams).

CFP SEMIFINALS
CFP semifinals on New Year's Day, per the current system.


CFP NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP
CFP National Championship on the first Monday that is at least one week after New Year's Day, per the current system.

2017 EXAMPLE
Assuming the higher ranked teams win their respective CCGs and each respective round. #5 Alabama and #7 Georgia look like the at large selections.

December 9, 2017
ROUND 1 (8-seed Play-In)
Florida Atlantic (CUSA) at #25 Fresno St. (MWC)
Troy (Sun Belt) at Toledo (MAC)

December 16, 2017
ROUND 2 (Play-in)
8-seed game: #25 Fresno St. v. Toledo
Round 1 winners

6-seed (Wild Card) game: #5 Alabama v. #7 Georgia
*UCF gets the #7 seed, because they are ranked behind the Wild Card participants.

December 22-23, 2017
QUARTERFINAL ROUND
(8)#25 Fresno St.* at (1)#1 Clemson(ACC)
(7)#10 UCF(AAC) at (2)#2 Auburn (SEC)
(6)#5 Alabama+ at (3)#3 Oklahoma(B12)
(5)#6 USC(PAC) at (4)#4 Wisconsin (B1G)
*8-seed Play-In winner
+6-seed Wild Card winner

Consolation Bowls:
New Orleans Bowl: Troy v. FAU
Armed Forces Bowl: Toledo v. B12 or AAC

January 1, 2018
CFP SEMIFINAL ROUND
Sugar Bowl: (1)Clemson v. (4)Wisconsin
Rose Bowl: (2)Auburn v. (3)Oklahoma
Quarterfinal winners - assuming higher ranked wins

NY7 Consolation Bowls
Orange Bowl: Miami v. Penn St.
Peach Bowl: Georgia v. UCF
Cotton Bowl: Alabama v. Ohio St.
Fiesta Bowl: USC v. TCU
Las Vegas Bowl: Fresno St. v. Stanford

January 8, 2018
CFP NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP
Atlanta, Georgia: (1)Clemson v. (2)Auburn
Semifinal winners - assuming higher ranked wins

Everyone wins:

1) The P5 teams get a guaranteed spot in the playoffs and the ability to place more than 1 team.
2) With the extra NY7 bowl game, the P5 conferences can keep their Rose, Sugar, and Orange bowl contracts.
3) ALL FBS conferences, non-champs, and independents have access to the playoff.
4) The autobids and seeding structure ensure the importance and excitement of the regular season and conference championships. Huge home game rewards for the top 4 champions
5) Quality football played in early December.
6) $$$$$$$!!

To accommodate the additional games from the extended playoff access, reduce the regular season to 11 games; however, allow one FCS exhibition game that does not count toward your record, standings, or statistics. Also, allow redshirt players to play in the exhibition game.

This is a big win because it keeps the payday for FCS teams and gives everyone the opportunity for a cupcake tune-up game, but doesn't water down the regular season. Gives coaches and fans the opportunity to see bench and redshirt players in action, while giving starters a needed break. It would also adjust bowl-eligibility back to having a winning record (6-5) for most bowl teams.

So, for the top-6 CFP participants, there would be the same number of games as the status quo - plus the home exhibition game, if desired.

For a Wild Card team that reaches the National Championship, there would be one additional game from the status quo. This is not a major burden - and the Wild Card system helps to maintain the importance of the regular season and conference championships.

For a Play-In team that reaches the National Championship, there would be two additional games. However, it would take a miracle season for a bottom 4 conference champion, likely ranked well outside the top-10 - if even in the top-25, to beat the #1 team on the road and then win a CFP semi-final bowl game against a top-10 team.

Actually pretty well thought out and actually makes a crap load of money.

This proposal is far more thought out than anything Ive ever considered, but it is exactly what I would like to see. Or you could incorporate two more wild cards if so desired, with the 5 and 6 seeds play in that wild card round as well.

I’ll accept an FBS split with two division champions playing for a CFB championship if the current 5 non autonomous conferences get the ESPN top 300 recruits for the first two years only, this will help jump start equality
I can see some current autonomous teams even moving over to the other division to further the equality even more
I would like to see the AAC get Nebraska and Arkansas or maybe not !, no need too , all ten conferences would have their champion in some kind of playoff to a combined college football championship ship game or “ Super bowl “— “ why does pro football have the super bowl, college needs this name “

(11-29-2017 01:48 AM)micahandme Wrote:  I'll lay it out again. Quit begging for scraps at the P5 table. Being teams #66-130 is a ridiculous goal in life. Aim for being #1 in your own division.

The plan laid out below give the G5 two weeks to RULE the CFB stage...allow their best teams to be showcased and rise to the top. (Maybe even grab an expansion opportunity should it arise...). And they would make more money in this 15 team package than they would in 5 conference championship games (which compete non-advantageously vs. the P5 currently) PLUS their marginal bowl games.

Here it is...hope for the future.

NCAA Football Tournament Championship (FTC)
25 Teams ranked on Sunday AM—four weeks of November (last one is Thanksgiving weekend)
Eliminate conference championship games
Home games for higher seeds in first two rounds
Yearly bowl games which host the FTC Semifinals—bid out championship game each year (ala the CFP)
Championship game on Friday night before national title game (the following Monday)

Automatic Bids
Division champs from Group of 5
6 at-large bids

An example from 2016…
(seedings taken from AP poll on Nov. 27—and extrapolated from final regular season rankings—committee would rig the rankings to get best matchups outside of normal conference foes)
1. Western Michigan (MAC West)
2. Navy (AAC West)
3. USF (at large)
4. Houston (at large)
5. Boise State (at large)
6. SDSU (MWC West)
7. Air Force (at large)
8. Temple (AAC East)
9. Appalachian State (Sun Belt co-champ)
10. Western Kentucky (CUSA East)
11. Arkansas State (Sun Belt co-champ)
12. Troy (at large)
13. Wyoming (MWC Mountain)
14. Tulsa (at large)
15. Ohio (MAC East)
16. Louisiana Tech (CUSA West)

Bubble—New Mexico, Memphis, Old Dominion, Idaho

December 9
9 App State at 8 Temple 6pm
16 LaTech at 1 WMU 8pm
12 Troy at 5 Boise State 10pm

December 10
15 Ohio at 2 Navy 12pm
14 Tulsa at 3 USF 3pm
13 Wyoming at 4 Houston 5:30
10 WKU at 7 Air Force 7:30pm
11 Arkansas State at 6 SDSU 9pm


December 16
8 Temple at 1 WMU 8pm

December 17
7 Air Force at 2 Navy 1pm
6 SDSU at 3 USF 5pm
5 Boise State at 4 Houston 9pm


Tuesday, December 27
Alamo Bowl
4 Houston vs. 1 WMU
Gator Bowl
3 USF vs. 2 Navy

Football Tournament Championship
Friday January 6 at Jerry’s World in Dallas
2 Navy at 1 WMU

Dumbest post of the week....

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(11-29-2017 01:52 AM)SactoHornetAlum Wrote:  Why don't you merge with the existing D-I FCS Tournament and call it good? Because the gulf between the G5 and FCS is less than the G5 and the P5! That's reality!

...spoke too soon

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Talk all you want about a 8 team playoff. It wont happen until the current deal is done. I think that is something like 10 more years.

No to this G5 playoff idea, they get 1 good bowl and then a bunch of crappy bowls and they will like it. But it is amazing that G5 folks still think they have a shot at the current "playoff" system. Just take a look at the top 10 CFP rankings...yup, no G5's. When this thing goes to 8 someday, G5 will still be locked out...because the TV execs aren't shelling out top dollar for a game that people won't watch so don't count on a "guaranteed" G5 spot.

If a G5 plays two top 15 P5s and runs the table they can make it. The AAC schools have the best shot. It is not impossible.

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(11-29-2017 10:01 PM)SDHornet Wrote:  No to this G5 playoff idea, they get 1 good bowl and then a bunch of crappy bowls and they will like it. But it is amazing that G5 folks still think they have a shot at the current "playoff" system. Just take a look at the top 10 CFP rankings...yup, no G5's. When this thing goes to 8 someday, G5 will still be locked out...because the TV execs aren't shelling out top dollar for a game that people won't watch so don't count on a "guaranteed" G5 spot.

Why is college football the only sport where not only do fans accept that TV ratings run who gets a shot at a championship, but they like it. How is that a true sport anymore? It's a pageant. Everyone else has a real playoff system, not a make believe one. Even the NFL, NBA, etc division champs get in........sometimes weak division champs get in or higher seeds than teams from harder divisions. That is sports, and it is determined on the field. I always find it laughable how P5 fans are terrified of a playoff that had the first round matchup of the 1 seed vs a G5 team. If the G5 team is an imposter, the 1 seed has a well deserved cupcake to play as the first game.

(11-29-2017 10:36 PM)otown Wrote:  

(11-29-2017 10:01 PM)SDHornet Wrote:  No to this G5 playoff idea, they get 1 good bowl and then a bunch of crappy bowls and they will like it. But it is amazing that G5 folks still think they have a shot at the current "playoff" system. Just take a look at the top 10 CFP rankings...yup, no G5's. When this thing goes to 8 someday, G5 will still be locked out...because the TV execs aren't shelling out top dollar for a game that people won't watch so don't count on a "guaranteed" G5 spot.

Why is college football the only sport where not only do fans accept that TV ratings run who gets a shot at a championship, but they like it. How is that a true sport anymore? It's a pageant. Everyone else has a real playoff system, not a make believe one. Even the NFL, NBA, etc division champs get in........sometimes weak division champs get in or higher seeds than teams from harder divisions. That is sports, and it is determined on the field. I always find it laughable how P5 fans are terrified of a playoff that had the first round matchup of the 1 seed vs a G5 team. If the G5 team is an imposter, the 1 seed has a well deserved cupcake to play as the first game.

I think the worst part of it is that the P5 lets a 3rd party take over gameday logistics (and revenues) of the CFP. Get these games back on campus FFS.

Big East Catholic power bball programs have won 1 ncaa tourney title in 31 years, Big Ten 1 in the last 27 years. They need to be put on probation from the NCAA tourney.

Let that sink in.

The P5 screw job goes deeper than just playoff access.

There is voting rights on the FBS Management Council; P5 gets 3 votes while the G5 is 2 votes.

The national FB awards all go to P5 players. Some G5 get consideration for those awards but have a remote chance of winning them.

Its also scheduling refusal by many in the P5 to play a G5 on the road. They want to play G5 cupcakes at home and get fat on them....something an upper tier G5 could do but they are forced into a roadie at a P5.

There is something to be said for the G5 doing their own system and doing it right. There is something to be said for trying to actively undermine the P5 system by making a real competitor to it.

Bowl Alliance Championship

1. Weekly Top 15 media poll. No reason to go deeper than the Top 15 G5 schools.
2. A championship poll kicking off in week 8 based on a point system. Think NASCAR chase for the cup.

5 points: Dominant victory (14+) over team with a winning record.
4 points: Victory over a team with a winning record.
3 points: Close loss over a team with a winning record.
2 points: Dominant victory (14+) over team with a losing record.
1 point: Victory over a team with a losing record.

The final championship poll would have an objective measure to it based on who they've played. From the Top 15 comes the selection of the Top 8 for NY4 bowl games. All attempts to avoid a regular season rematch will be made.

For the post season....the G5 would sign a contract for 100 million dollars and use the money to sign existing P5 bowls (Holiday, Sun, Independence, Liberty) as their NY4 bowl games. Move the games to the second weekend in January to add more TV value.

Then "after" the bowl games are played have the G5 media vote on a national champion. This way there is intrigue in the NY4 bowl games because you won't know who the national champion is going to come from.

A new set of post season awards named after the most famous G5 players at each position, including current NFL players. New names that people actually care about.

Try to undermine the P5's b.s committee system. Make something more interesting for the fans. Change the rules of the game by making big victories important. Make the Wake Forest's and Oregon St's feel like fools playing in a P5 with no chance to compete.

Interesting idea Kitton, curious how that would work out on this seasons results...but how about 0 points for a close loss to anybody? F*ck rewarding losses.

(11-29-2017 01:48 AM)micahandme Wrote:  I'll lay it out again. Quit begging for scraps at the P5 table. Being teams #66-130 is a ridiculous goal in life. Aim for being #1 in your own division.

If the G5 tried to go to a playoff it would look too much like the FCS playoff. Too many teams, some of which won't be that great. In any given year there are only 8 or 10 G5 teams that I would put in the very good category. The others are ok or in most cases bad.

It would be a better idea to recreate a BCS type system, use a TV contract to grab 4 major bowls (Holiday, Sun, Independence, Liberty) where it would be of a separate but equal product.

A system that would be more interesting than what the P5 have in place with a dumbasse committee. They could move to an 8 team playoff with 1 guaranteed spot for the G5 and it still would be an unequal situation.

(11-30-2017 12:34 AM)SDHornet Wrote:  Interesting idea Kitton, curious how that would work out on this seasons results...but how about 0 points for a close loss to anybody? F*ck rewarding losses.

The idea behind giving 3 points to a close loss against a winning team would be to commend a quality effort against quality competition.

Say if two teams were playing, its toward the end of the season...one is 8-2 the other is 7-3. The 8-2 team wins by a FG. The 7-3 team would still get credit by the announcers for having competed. There would also be incentive to compete and make it close to get the 3 points. The 8-2 team then would have incentive to put more points on the board instead of letting the clock run out because they would get 5 points for a dominant victory.

3 points for a close loss would also encourage programs to schedule up because if they can keep it close against an FBS team with a winning record they get 3 points. But if you get killed you don't get anything for it.

(11-30-2017 12:48 AM)Kittonhead Wrote:  

(11-30-2017 12:34 AM)SDHornet Wrote:  Interesting idea Kitton, curious how that would work out on this seasons results...but how about 0 points for a close loss to anybody? F*ck rewarding losses.

The idea behind giving 3 points to a close loss against a winning team would be to commend a quality effort against quality competition.

Say if two teams were playing, its toward the end of the season...one is 8-2 the other is 7-3. The 8-2 team wins by a FG. The 7-3 team would still get credit by the announcers for having competed. There would also be incentive to compete and make it close to get the 3 points. The 8-2 team then would have incentive to put more points on the board instead of letting the clock run out because they would get 5 points for a dominant victory.

3 points for a close loss would also encourage programs to schedule up because if they can keep it close against an FBS team with a winning record they get 3 points. But if you get killed you don't get anything for it.

I understand the idea behind it, I just don't agree with it. I mean why not negative points for catching a beat down? Society hands enough participation trophies out as it is, no need to carry that mentality into an otherwise good idea.

(11-29-2017 10:01 PM)SDHornet Wrote:  No to this G5 playoff idea, they get 1 good bowl and then a bunch of crappy bowls and they will like it. But it is amazing that G5 folks still think they have a shot at the current "playoff" system. Just take a look at the top 10 CFP rankings...yup, no G5's. When this thing goes to 8 someday, G5 will still be locked out...because the TV execs aren't shelling out top dollar for a game that people won't watch so don't count on a "guaranteed" G5 spot.

I agree. That said, every indication we have says that not only would the general public watch such a game, it will likely outdraw some games that conventional wisdom says it shouldnt.